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[Discuss] pokemon attacks in RPing

Razor Shiftry

Cynthia = Porn Star
i'm sure i'm not the only one but i often wonder whats the best way to repisent an attack when RPing. many attacks in pokemon just seem pretty hard to make realistic. discuss what attacks you find difficult to decribe while role playing here and share your thoughts on matters.

i think the biggest problem most people have in describing is the attacks absorb, mega drain and giga drain. how would this work? does the pokemon merely 'summon' the life force of the opposing pokemon and absorb the life force just like that? what would this life force look like? what things would affect this attack? it a pokemon is bleeding, does this attack become stronger?

another attack i find difficult to comprehend is the difference between earthpower and earthquake...

another discussable point would be attack rate. a charmander could probably manage to use the attack ember maybe 10 times or so in one battle. a Charizard could possibly use the attack ember 50 times quite easily but could probably only manage to perform a fire blast the same amount that a charmander could perform an ember attack. would you agree with this?

what other attacks do you have trouble with in decribing for role playing purposes?
 

PokemonBreederChris

UnlimitedBlade Works
i'm sure i'm not the only one but i often wonder whats the best way to repisent an attack when RPing. many attacks in pokemon just seem pretty hard to make realistic. discuss what attacks you find difficult to decribe while role playing here and share your thoughts on matters.


i think the biggest problem most people have in describing is the attacks absorb, mega drain and giga drain. how would this work? does the pokemon merely 'summon' the life force of the opposing pokemon and absorb the life force just like that? what would this life force look like? what things would affect this attack? it a pokemon is bleeding, does this attack become stronger?

In my oppinion, those attacks possibly best fit under the creativity of the author. Like for one thing, a parasect pokemon like Paras, or Scroomish, whould possibly 'latch on' to their opponent and suck out the life force, or sometimes I invision it with a pokemon's aura becoming greenish, and 'absorbing' the energies of its surroundings. Giga drain's and that type of move is basically a beefed up absorb. Life force...that too is up to the creator, cause well life force has been depicted many ways, most commonly as this white liquidy substance that oozes out, or a sphere of reitsu. If a pokemon is bleeding :)O A pokemon Bleed? HOW!? they only get KOed with only dirt wounds...) Well if a pokemon is bleeding I don't think absorb'd be affected, maybe a move like Leech life, or possibly Leech seed in away, but not an absorb type move.

another attack i find difficult to comprehend is the difference between earthpower and earthquake...

Earthquake is well just a massive shaking of earth, fissure is the strongest form of earthquake in my oppinion, while Magnetude is the weakest (not including mudslides and things like that.) although Magnetude CAN be the strongest too depending on the intensity the author makes it. Earthpower, well I've not had the liberty of owning Diamond or Pearl so I know personally not of this move, but from the serebii attack dex, and my assumptions, Earthpower's a special move, while earthquake's a physical. Earthpower would be, lets say the mage's attack, while earthquake'd be the Warrior's.

Earth power though, to me, seems that it has a wider variety of usage, while earthquake just makes the earth beneath the user split, snap crackling and popping, causing well an Earthquake. Earthpower could be maybe the power over the element of earth, which could be as powerful if used correctly.


another discussable point would be attack rate. a charmander could probably manage to use the attack ember maybe 10 times or so in one battle. a Charizard could possibly use the attack ember 50 times quite easily but could probably only manage to perform a fire blast the same amount that a charmander could perform an ember attack. would you agree with this?

Yes, and no. True ember's one of the weaker fire moves, and flamethrower's the beefed up ember, but fire blast is a single explosion of flame. I picture Fire blast as an extremely power blast of fire, while ember a small petit 'cough' of flame. Each move has its own intensity. Charmander's ember, its earliest fire attack and main attacker before evolving, would be Charizard's fire blast in comparison, cause that is the strongest fire move it can learn before its a charmeleon. But this is the power, and with power the ammount of energy is greater, so charizard could release smaller weaker fire embers 50x more then a fireblast, one because they are weaker and are less of an energy strain, and two because a charizard holds more room to use more embers. A charmander holds a significant less ammount of energy then its final form, so it would only use less fire power.

Hope I didn't confuse you and got my point across ...

what other attacks do you have trouble with in decribing for role playing purposes?


The most uber ghost move ever!

Astonish!
(Why its a ghost move and not the most uber element ??? is beyond me.)

Astonishing by definition is "to fill with sudden and overpowering surprise or wonder." so the awe-like pokemon, swablu, or the less-appealing pokemon Mawhile would have it. Astonish could be anything that would avert the eyes towards the user, and bring the victom to total awe, something simular to attract in a a way, but more suprising...


Other moves that are hard to potray as actual moves would be hte HM moves, for in RPGS, flying or diving wouldn't really be an attack, flying high then drill pecking, or diving with a water spout would be an attack. Flashing, cutting, or rocksmash would be the only hms that would be easy to turn into an actual move, but then again, I make the HMs part of hte pokemon's abilities and not an actual move, a wailord doesn't need to learn surf for you to ride it, it might only need to learn surf if it was going to ride another water pokemon, but what waterpokemon'll carry a wailord?
 

Razor Shiftry

Cynthia = Porn Star
Earthquake is well just a massive shaking of earth, fissure is the strongest form of earthquake in my oppinion, while Magnetude is the weakest (not including mudslides and things like that.) although Magnetude CAN be the strongest too depending on the intensity the author makes it. Earthpower, well I've not had the liberty of owning Diamond or Pearl so I know personally not of this move, but from the serebii attack dex, and my assumptions, Earthpower's a special move, while earthquake's a physical. Earthpower would be, lets say the mage's attack, while earthquake'd be the Warrior's.

Earth power though, to me, seems that it has a wider variety of usage, while earthquake just makes the earth beneath the user split, snap crackling and popping, causing well an Earthquake. Earthpower could be maybe the power over the element of earth, which could be as powerful if used correctly.

well, my assumption would be similar to yours between the difference of earthquake and earth power. earthquake would require the strength of the user and smash the nearby earth and making a localised earthquake - its power depending on the user's strength. Earth power requires more concentration and control and it probably like your opinion that it is control over the element earth. in my opinion, it would be like a ripple in the earth in a straight line towards one target and then when it reaches the target, the earth suddenly thrusts upwards, injuring the pokemon - and lowering their defences as they just struck from underneath?

The most uber ghost move ever!

Astonish!
(Why its a ghost move and not the most uber element ??? is beyond me.)

Astonishing by definition is "to fill with sudden and overpowering surprise or wonder." so the awe-like pokemon, swablu, or the less-appealing pokemon Mawhile would have it. Astonish could be anything that would avert the eyes towards the user, and bring the victom to total awe, something simular to attract in a a way, but more suprising...


Other moves that are hard to potray as actual moves would be hte HM moves, for in RPGS, flying or diving wouldn't really be an attack, flying high then drill pecking, or diving with a water spout would be an attack. Flashing, cutting, or rocksmash would be the only hms that would be easy to turn into an actual move, but then again, I make the HMs part of hte pokemon's abilities and not an actual move, a wailord doesn't need to learn surf for you to ride it, it might only need to learn surf if it was going to ride another water pokemon, but what waterpokemon'll carry a wailord?

the reason it could be ghost typed it because the pokemon makes such a scary face that that pokemon flinches with horror and surprise. *imagines a scary Swablu but fails* well...i think i need more time to think about that one...

as for HMs moves, to carry a weight by flight or swimming would be natural for a pokemon but i think the actual moves fly and surf only comes into affect if the pokemon is carrying a weight they would normally not be able to carry ie Pidgey using fly with a person in tow or a Mudkip using surf. i think the attack flash would actually have to be taught to some pokemon due to the fact that non electric/fire pokemon may struggle to perform that attack. cutting or rock smashing would be natural though for the pokemon to perform.

what waterpokemon'll carry a wailord?

what would like to be ridden by a wailord? some things just shouldn't be thought about mate.


anyway, another attack that i would like to discuss....power gem. i actually have no idea how this attack would be potrayed at all.
 

RaZoR LeAf

Night Terror
When I was doing ASB on a different forum, I started making a list of what certain moves would look like for different pokemon to make them a little more unique. It didn't get very far, but this is what I came up with:

[spoil]
Acid
- Ekans / Arbok : Colourless liquid that hisses on contact
- Tentacool / Tentacruel : Almost colourless with a hint of pink. Stings on contact
- Oddish / Gloom / Vileplume / Bellossom : Mostly opaque liquid in a dark purple
- Bellsprout / Weepinbell / Victreebel : Mostly opaque liquid in a dark purple
- Lileep / Cradilly : Mostly opaque liquid in a dark purple
- Cacnea / Cacturne : Mostly opaque liquid in a dark purple

Poison Powder
- Bulbasaur / Ivysaur / Venusaur : Mostly Purple - hint of Green
- Butterfree : Mostly Purple - hint of Silver
- Oddish / Gloom / Vileplume / Bellossom : Mostly Purple - hint of Black
- Paras / Parasect : Mostly Purple - hint of Orange
- Venonat / Venomoth : Mostly Purple - hint of Silver
- Bellsprout / Weepinbell / Victreebel : Mostly Purple - hint of Black
- Exeggcute / Exeggutor : Mostly Purple - hint of Silver
- Tangela / Tangrowth : Mostly Purple - hint of Blue
- Chikorita / Bayleef / Meganium : Mostly Purple - hint of White
- Hoppip / Skiploom / Jumpluff : Mostly Purple - hint of Green
- Shroomish / Breloom : Mostly Purple - hint of Green
- Mothim : Mostly Purple - hint of gold

Sludge Bomb
- A compact ball with a crusty outer shell. The shell breaks upon forced impact, sending sludge everywhere.

Smog
- A thick, grey smoke is pumped into the air. It is thick, difficult to see through and an irritant to breathing normally.

Toxic
- An almost colourless liquid with a tinge of red. It hisses on contact and quickly sinks through pores or is absorbed into the body. It leaves behind a mark, making the entry point weaker, and has an uncomfortable burning sensation.

Frenzy Plant
- Bulbasaur / Ivysaur / Venusaur : Huge vines erupt out of the ground
- Chikorita / Bayleef / Meganium : Huge thorny stems erupt out of the ground
- Treecko / Grovyle / Sceptile : Huge leafy fronds erupt out of the ground
- Turtwig / Grotle / Torterra : Huge moss covered spikes erupt out of the ground
[/spoil]

Now for Earthquake and Earth Power, PokemonBreederChris says that the former is physical and the latter is special. So I'd imagine Earthquake to be a basic, and real Earthquake. Ground shaking, debris, maybe not on the scale of buildings falling down, otherwise there'd be nothing left of the world. Earth Power is more like a manifestation of the energy that causes an Earthquake. It's like being hit by the raw power of an Earthquake, all rolled up into one ball of energy.

I had a thought last night about Absorb and the like. For Grass pokemon at least, what if they shot/spat/threw a seed at the enemy. It would land on or very close to them and immediately crack open sending a little creeper or thorn that wraps itself around the pokemon. Then the vine sucks the nutrients out of the pokemon, the seed swells and drops off. The pokemon that used the attack would have to get to the seed and eat it in order to get the energy back, but the attack would have been done.

If the pokemon had 'Liquid Ooze', then the seed would absorb some of that and cause health loss is eaten. Depending on the attack, it would be a bigger seed. Leech Seed would be a little different. A bud would hit the pokemon and a new seed would roll out and do it's job constantly replaced by another one.

Fly I imagine as the pokemon flying high into the air (or leaping and almost hovering in some cases) before swooping down and delivering a long slash across the opponent aided by the momentum of the fall. I have this big issue with the type 'Flying', and believe if you look at all the moves with the type as 'Wind' they make a lot more sense. It's basically anything with wings is called a Flying type, but why should flying types have wings at all? If you imagine Dodrio as a Normal/Wind type then it seems more plausible since it doesn't have wings.

Anyway, getting ahead of myself. Dive would be a lot like Fly but in the opposite direction. The pokemon sinks underwater and out of sight, before storming straight up under the enemy and ploughing through them sending a funnel of water everywhere. Using the HMs as story telling pieces though, Fly would have to be something only larger pokemon could pull off to allow a human to be carried, or in the case of Dodrio (a favourite of mine when talking about the Flying issue)it would run fast and leap from site to site, almost giving the impression of short bursts of flight.

Dive is much trickier. The trick would again have to be a large pokemon. I imagine it creating a bubble around part of it's body, specifically where it's trainer is sat. Maintaining this bubble would be relatively easy with practice, but the trainer would have to stay out of battles unless it was wearing scuba-gear.


Moves I always have trouble describing are the odd ones like Block and Imprison, the one that don't really have a game description to speak of.
 
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