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Do you enjoy the direction Pokemon Sun and Moon anime is moving in?

Discussion in 'Pokémon Animé Discussion' started by Ariki, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. Kintaro

    Kintaro Well-Known Member

    XY's art style was AG/DP's in better animation. I'm not sure what the difference was. AG/DP/XY all look fairly similar to one another with the animation improving with each passing saga.
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  2. I'm certain that they have no intention of reverting to the older style.

    The current designs are integral to how OLM animate the show. The team working on Pokemon really like to push production and see how far they can improve things. On a purely technical basis, reverting to an older style would be counterproductive.

    There'll be tweaks and adjustments between seasons, as has been the case with every season so far, but they'll likely be working from the new base they created for Sun and Moon.

    Frankly, I don't understand how an improvement in animation can turn people off an animated product, but I'm not going to judge. All I'll say is that while some may have been put off by the re-design, there were others who were attracted by it.
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  3. MidnightMelody

    MidnightMelody Hopeful for Gen 8

    It is like music some people prefer meaningful lyrics over good music music being animation in this case and lyrics being art.
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  4. AznKei

    AznKei Rabi-Ribi's Cocoa is cute! ^_^

    Kinda reminds me the whole graphics/presentations vs gameplay arguments in video game discussions nowadays.
    Last edited: Dec 11, 2018
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  5. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    The art style is not the problem, just the old characters look terrible, the others are ok. I don't really care about a show's art style, just if is terribly bad, and even then I can watch if it is good.

    SM's problems are:

    -bad and forced comedy.
    - plot progression is very slow. Too much fillers.
    - Ash's personality was altered to fit the series format.
    - characters completely without purpose.
  6. MidnightMelody

    MidnightMelody Hopeful for Gen 8

    I often wonder how it would be if Ash kept his personality from XY and was like the only one who was calling everyone out on their BS.
  7. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    XY Ash seldom ever called everyone out on their BS. That was half the problem. He was usually utterly indifferent and passive besides giving motivational speeches. SM Ash is flawed himself but still more liable to snark or argue with someone when they act up.
  8. MidnightMelody

    MidnightMelody Hopeful for Gen 8

    To be fair nobody really did anything nearly as annoying as we get in almost every ep of SM
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  9. blizzardblaze

    blizzardblaze Comp. Battler Who loves The Anime

    Also, he was pretty chill for the most part anyway, and could actually keep his cool
  10. Redstar45

    Redstar45 The anime canon cop !

    If you referring xyz Satoshi then yes he would like to be chill lot but he had his limit if kiawa still yell like a hot head he is .
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  11. blizzardblaze

    blizzardblaze Comp. Battler Who loves The Anime

    true, true.
    I really dislike the direction they went with Ash in the early part of this series, he just did things with his classmates because he could get something out of it.
  12. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    As in no body really had deep foibles and chemistries in which they balanced each other out.
  13. Redstar45

    Redstar45 The anime canon cop !

    I heard that brother.....if they just made him sub-teacher then you had reason for school settings then student might not buy hin about saving the world or him beat team gangs as they don't really see it like few anime did just that and it better job than sm anime is doing right now
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  14. blizzardblaze

    blizzardblaze Comp. Battler Who loves The Anime

    yeah, I know. This series has so much wasted potential, when it could have been something completely different, similar to the previous series, but still managing to keep a slice of life tone instead of just staying on Melemele island
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  15. Redstar45

    Redstar45 The anime canon cop !

    Yeah i am agree with that but I am going to be staying open mind about sm anime when near final arc of the series.
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  16. maartjeverhoef

    maartjeverhoef Well-Known Member

    Steven Stone looked like a whole different character when he came back in XY, same with Clair in BW. I know the reason was the change of art style in the games (for worse), but still. From Best Wishes it looks like different anime to me.
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  17. Genaller

    Genaller Mein Kaiser

    You’re joking right? In a nutshell art style = the displayed images while animation = delta images (a.k.a the transitions between consecutive images). If someone finds looking at the images themselves to be migraine inducing, then no amount of “fluid transitioning” is going to turn around their overall impression of the visual quality of the product. I’m fine with you valuing the animation quality over the art style, but don’t act perplexed at the notion that animation quality isn’t sufficient on its own for all (or even the majority of) viewers to have a positive opinion regarding the overall visual quality of the product.

    Also fyi Dephender (the most credible guy on this forum regarding Pokémon Anime stuff) told me that Ash’s SM design (the design that I easily find the most nauseating to look at) in particular has been heavily mocked even amongst the Japanese fandom, so the people that are “attracted by it” certainly don’t speak for the general Pokémon anime community consensus.
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2018
  18. I'm aware of the difference.

    And no, I'm not joking. I really don't get how anyone can watch anything animated and claim that they don't care about how animated it is so long as the art work looks nice. To me, that'd be the same as watching a TV show and not caring about the quality of acting because the actors are good looking. Movement and body language can add layers to a scene, accentuate emotion and add dynamism, which in itself is entertaining to watch. The idea that it's okay to swap all of that for a nice looking static image is one I can't agree with.

    FYI, I don't care what the Japanese fandom thinks.

    Nor do I care for this second-hand anecdote that you're providing here, as I can just as easily provide my own anecdotes to back up my point. Neither would be sufficient proof.

    In fact, I'm not sure why you're starting this argument. If you understand my values and position on this beforehand then, what, exactly, is the issue? What are you trying to prove? That I'm in the minority? That my opinion doesn't match the so-called "consensus"? I knew that already.

    If you all wanted to do was explain to me why someone may value art work over animation, then fine, I'll take it under consideration. I'm inviting that discussion, after all. However, I take exception to your attempt to diminish my opinion with your "fyi"; as if my view is somehow worth less because it doesn't agree with what you perceive as the "consensus" view.
  19. Jeal

    Jeal Well-Known Member

    lol, ''deep'' foibles? Are deep foibles make silly faces and get hitted on every single minute? Serena had the give up easy problem, she and Clemont had self-confidence issues. Very superficial problems.
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  20. DatsRight

    DatsRight Well-Known Member

    The problem is that they've gradually become the most recurrent vices to give one of the protagonists. Combined with the fact most other examples usually had other vices along with that, and far more challenging situations to exacerbate their low confidence, while the XY lot falls a bit too close to a 'positive' flaw where they underestimate how good they really are.

    SM is maybe more comical in tone but it has projected some decent complexities. Kiawe has let his temper throw himself into confrontations too quickly and has also set himself a bit too much into a comfort zone, Sophocles has an acerbic image that hides neuroses and being insecure about what other think about him, Lillie still goes for the underconfidence vice, but I could argue she plays it a bit more vibrantly because her 'try hard' attitude sometimes means she DOESN'T always succeed just because she has a determined attitude. Her more sheltered attitude has been played against her harder than Serena as well (eg. her naiveté throughout the Poni Island episode).

    A lot of these vices have also played more into how all of them interact with one another compared to the XY lot as well.

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