Do you think anime is responsible for the cancellation of various american cartoons?

[MarcmenX]

Just asking, alot of cartoon lovers despise anime (atleast ones I've met), saying that the reason their favorite cartoons got cancelled was due to anime

any thoughts on the subject?

 

[That Scary Clefairy]

If anything, I think it's the CGI that is what getting rid of cel animation(cartoons) whether it's TV or movie.

 

[Toran Frostbite]

Series either get cancelled because the producers don't think it's worth continuing, it's gone on for long enough, or it wasn't getting good ratings to begin with. Anime's just a scapegoat, unless you can provide an ample case that anime squeezed out the cartoon series.

 

[MarcmenX]

okay, but do you think it's anime's fault that some of todays cartoons are imitating it? I know it's a dumb question, but cartoon fans I've seen say anime ruined cartoons by forcing creators to make their cartoons anime-ish for more ratings (Examples are Teen titans, Avitar, BenTen, and Boondocks)

any thoughts?

 

[MugenKeiji]

I don't think it's responsible for the cancellation, just the lack of involvement in creating a new series.

Why spend money on animation when you can dub something that's already out there?

So instead of having ambitious cartoons like Animaniacs and Cow and Chicken of our past, producers try to mimic the success of...

Transformers of the 80s
Pokemon of the late 90s
Dragon Ball Z's run on Toonami

and that link comes from the fact that the shows are Japanese. In that light, people try to mimic the styles thinking their shows will sell (Loonatics, Xiaolin Showdown) and be as cool.

It's not just the style of anime, it's also the substance. I mean think of it this way, how is it that Takanori Arisawa's elevator music for Sailor Moon or Toshihiro Masuda's modern/cultural stock music in Naruto is much more effective than the hip-and-fresh-and-"down" tunes found on IGPX? It's because the music on IGPX has a genre-defined style whereas the former are more flexible, artists such as Arisawa and Masuda try to create the mood for the scene without the thought of popularity coming to mind whereas the latter tries to go for the "buy my CD and even play it at clubs" type of composition rather than supplement the mood of the series which is why IGPX proves that even Japanese produced/American helmed anime can be missing something in essence.

I don't think Pokemon's success can be mirrored simply by taking stock anime and dubbing it. What networks need to realize is that children's animation serves as a purpose to fuel their imagination instead of talking down to it, I mean not every piece of animation has to have realistic elements to it but at the same time not every piece of animation with realistic elements should be action/crimefighting shows, it's getting tiring. Pokemon was big because before that, an anime getting such high ratings was almost unheard of since not many networks adopted the medium.

What I'm saying is that producers and marketing companies are shooting for what works instead of taking the risk with fresh things more often. Dubbing anime is more cost effective than making your own series.

Also, you never know what may inspire other animators worldwide. The US needs to do its part to inspire other animators as well, we can't just rely on Japan to do all the animation for us.

 

[Blackjack Gabbiani]

The US needs to do its part to inspire other animators as well, we can't just rely on Japan to do all the animation for us.

But they got the 'anime style' from the US to begin with, so it's give-and-take.

 

[MugenKeiji]

But they got the 'anime style' from the US to begin with, so it's give-and-take.

Yeah yeah, whatever

We can play the blame game or we can discuss this like adults. A comment like that isn't very fruitful without detailed explanation.

I mean it's like me saying all life started in Africa and yet it's ironic about the control WASPs have but it doesn't do much for an argument. It's just putting my head up my arse.

 

[Eon Chao]

No its true. During the Americain occupation of Japan alot of Americain comics were imported. Thus Japanese people copied but in their own style. These manga were eventually converted into anime and thus Americain influences are at the heart of manga and anime's origin story.

 

[Kazekage]

well i agree anime clearly surpasses cartoons but some people like it well i respect that but its not animes fault that cartoons are stoping its beacause the creators dont think it worth it and americans are getting close to begining anime style shows i personly think that avatar was really close to anime style i even think its worth calling an anime and code lyoko to

 

[Kazekage]

No its true. During the Americain occupation of Japan alot of Americain comics were imported. Thus Japanese people copied but in their own style. These manga were eventually converted into anime and thus Americain influences are at the heart of manga and anime's origin story.

yes it MAY be true but japan has created alot of mangas/anime that are a hit worldwide *cough* naruto *cough* and does anime style much better than americans have ATEMPTED

 

[~Meitantei Starlight*~]

Originally posted by DARK BLADE66
well i agree anime clearly surpasses cartoons but some people like it well i respect that but its not animes fault that cartoons are stoping its beacause the creators dont think it worth it and americans are getting close to begining anime style shows i personly think that avatar was really close to anime style i even think its worth calling an anime and code lyoko to

First off, Code lyoko is Anime (so I've heard, but don't get mad at me if I'm wrong) and second, I KNOW that avatar isn't Anime and never 'deserves' to be called anything of the sort. (since Anime is Japanese cartoons and avatar was born in America so there ya go >.>)

yes it MAY be true but japan has created alot of mangas/anime that are a hit worldwide *cough* naruto *cough* and does anime style much better than americans have ATEMPTED

True, so true (atleast for most Anime that is. I can't say for all) And please do not double post. There is an edit button y'know...

 

[HK]

...

ANIME = CARTOONS.

That being said to clear up any confusion with those who are slightly new to anime or else those here who believe that the Japanese can do no wrong (if there are any here at the forums that believe that, anyway)... I think I'm ready to say that U.S. cartoons have just been going downhill. I pretty much think that MugenKeiji summed it all up when it said that it comes down to substance. Being ambitious seems to be absent as of late with a lot of U.S. cartoons, and really it seems as if they are following the trend of what is happening to movies nowadays too, what with conforming being more popular than actually attempting at being original (although originality is a subjective term in itself). There is still hope, certainly, but a lot of these ideas aren't either executed well enough or else people don't even want to try anymore.

For a little history lesson, I would like to thank Walt Disney and Osamu Tezuka for giving us the typical big eyes and small mouth character designs that we see in Japanese animation today. Anyone who is a fan of anime/manga needs to pay homage to these two men.

 

[Skiks]

yes it MAY be true but Japan has created alot of mangas/anime that are a hit worldwide *cough* naruto *cough* and does anime style much better than Americans have ATEMPTED

Guess what? The Japanese copied off of disney and got there style from an American company. *shock! psag!* Also americans have their cartoons hit world wide as well. Just that we wouldn't know all that much about it since we live in america. D: I think avatar pulled off their own style of art quiet well. Just because it has big eyes and facial expressions doesn't mean it's a carbon copy of an anime.

First off, Code lyoko is Anime (so I've heard, but don't get mad at me if I'm wrong) and second, I KNOW that avatar isn't Anime and never 'deserves' to be called anything of the sort. (since Anime is Japanese cartoons and avatar was born in America so there ya go >.>)

Not really Code Lyoko is a french cartoon that is considered an anime. Well at least people do.

 

[~Meitantei Starlight*~]

Originally posted by Skiks
Guess what? The Japanese copied off of disney and got there style from an American company. *shock! psag!* Also americans have their cartoons hit world wide as well. Just that we wouldn't know all that much about it since we live in america. D: I think avatar pulled off their own style of art quiet well. Just because it has big eyes and facial expressions doesn't mean it's a carbon copy of an anime.

Um..helOOOO. Where were you? I know Anime originated by some dude copying off of American cartoons (Disney to be excact) Don't think I don't know!

Also I never said it was a 'carbon copy of an Anime' I just thought that Americans should just stick to their own styles and not use Anime-LIKE drawing technices just so that there show would sell good >.> Cause imo, it's a disgrace for them to have to draw using drawing technices from other countries (and no I am not talking about how the Japanese dude came up with Anime because now that you look at the two of them (most of themn anywasy) they look completly different from each other) just because they think there show would sell that way. I also think it's a disgrace to the American cartoons, having to have forced Anime expression, forced crappy characters names, etc. just because the producers want it to be 'cool'.

 

[Skiks]

o_o If it was originally from here then how is it copying off from anime? It's just continuing an old style. I was talking to dark blade though. =/ Not you.

 

[Justineer]

yes it MAY be true but japan has created alot of mangas/anime that are a hit worldwide *cough* naruto *cough* and does anime style much better than americans have ATEMPTED

Yeah, Naruto seems to be a hit across the world. Have you visited naruto-kun.com's topsite? You wouldn't believe how many French Naruto sites there are! I'd like to hear Naruto with a French accent. XD
On topic: I do think anime is being copied. Yes, anime was inspired by American cartoons, but from the old cartoons that started the animation of today, American animation and Japanimation evolved seperately into two different styles. American anmators, seeing the popularity of anime, are now trying to crossover to the Japanese style. Though art is undoubtedly part of anime's success, it's not all there is to it. Many otakus enjoy anime better because it often has more mature plots, among various other things.

 

[HK]

Um..helOOOO. Where were you? I know Anime originated by some dude copying off of American cartoons (Disney to be excact) Don't think I don't know!

That 'some dude' was Osamu Tezuka, and he used the cartoon style of Walt Disney animation to create his characters.

Also I never said it was a 'carbon copy of an Anime' I just thought that Americans should just stick to their own styles and not use Anime-LIKE drawing technices just so that there show would sell good >.> Cause imo, it's a disgrace for them to have to draw using drawing technices from other countries (and no I am not talking about how the Japanese dude came up with Anime because now that you look at the two of them (most of themn anywasy) they look completly different from each other) just because they think there show would sell that way. I also think it's a disgrace to the American cartoons, having to have forced Anime expression, forced crappy characters names, etc. just because the producers want it to be 'cool'.

... DO YOU EVEN SEE THE HYPOCRISY IN YOUR WORDS?

You stated that it was 'some dude' who copied off from American cartoons, yet you ridicule Americans for 'copying' off Japanese animation and not for the origins of the anime that we see today?

Can you say hypocrite? Seriously, it is just a style, if you can get it through your mind. Anime itself doesn't limit to the style that its set upon itself, so other can't as well? It is an art form, and to set boundaries on art is such a ludicrous statement that I can't even begin to fathom it.

Try again, dude. Maybe you'll get it right next time.

 

[~Meitantei Starlight*~]

-0- Ok, first off, learn how to spell, dude XD

Second, ok maybe I did make a mistake. I'm just saying that most Anime (notice that in ALL my posts I say 'most' and not 'all') seem to have the same, general, style to them. American cartoons, however, do not seem to have that style to them (or they didn't before). So I think that when Americans make cartoons with a similar style to Anime, that they are only doing it because people think it's 'cool'.

Check the T.V ratings and try again, dude. ;P (the only exception is Conan though >.> But that aired at like, 12am every morning anyways)

 

[HK]

Just to note beforehand, I'm somewhat p*ssed off at the moment for reasons beyond me.

-0- Ok, first off, learn how to spell, dude XD

If you are referring to me or Skiks, then you have no right to criticize. We both spelled words correctly, genius.

Second, ok maybe I did make a mistake. I'm just saying that most Anime (notice that in ALL my posts I say 'most' and not 'all') seem to have the same, general, style to them. American cartoons, however, do not seem to have that style to them (or they didn't before). So I think that when Americans make cartoons with a similar style to Anime, that they are only doing it because people think it's 'cool'.

... Isn't that what the Japanese are doing with anime? Keeping the 'big eyes and small mouths' trend in the mainstream because it is popular and 'cool'? In that case, then you have to fault both the U.S. and Japan again, dude. That nullifies your arguement right there.

Japanese manga-ka are greatly inspired by Western culture, whether it be European or American culture, so by your logic, they should be ridiculed for taking a lot of these ideas as well. -___-

Check the T.V ratings and try again, dude. ;P (the only exception is Conan though >.> But that aired at like, 12am every morning anyways)

If that is targeted at me, then you do know that I myself am saying that anime is popular. I'm not arguing against that. I don't see what your point is in saying that.

 

[~Meitantei Starlight*~]

Originally posted by HellKorn
... Isn't that what the Japanese are doing with anime? Keeping the 'big eyes and small mouths' trend in the mainstream because it is popular and 'cool'? In that case, then you have to fault both the U.S. and Japan again, dude. That nullifies your arguement right there.

Japanese manga-ka are greatly inspired by Western culture, whether it be European or American culture, so by your logic, they should be ridiculed for taking a lot of these ideas as well. -___-

- -;; Well didn't Japanese always have that trend? XD It's funny how you say Japanese are greatly inspired, but how American cartoons always show signs of copying styles that are similar to those of the Japanese.