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Do you think Ditto should be banned?

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by Ilan, Jul 5, 2012.

  1. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Ditto is released now as of B2W2 hidden hollows like half a month ago and I use it in my team some people claim it should be banned I claim it shouldn't as he have many counters like priority,subtitute,protect,recovery moves,bulk up/calm minds with recovery and pressure...
    so what do you think? ditto for ubers or for standard?
     
  2. ala

    ala dat ash

    Ditto for standard, because like you mentioned there are some hard counters to it. It just changes the game a bit since having a Salamence at +6 attack +6 speed is suddenly not unstoppable with Ditto around. People as a whole hate change, but just because of that Ditto shouldn't be blamed since it isn't uncounterable, it just requires a different style to be handled with.
     
  3. Barbeller

    Barbeller Scatter Brained

    There is absolutely no way Ditto will go Ubers. It's a nice check to Dragons, but it can't switch into them, and it can't do too much else. Plus, it's only effective if it uses a Choice Scarf, therefore it's not hard to switch something that resists the move in. It's also a piece of gaarbage against stall, so it can't have that 'beats all the tier' factor that is needed for a pokemon to become Ubers.

    There is actually a very real chance that if Ditto doesn't make OU (which is quite feasable), then it would stay NU. In fact, I half expect it to stay NU (it probably won't, but it might go OU for a while, then edge down, somewhat like Whimsicott).
     
  4. PokeMaster366

    PokeMaster366 Well-Known Member

    Ditto for standard because he puts a major lid on set-up sweepers and puts more emphasis on how the overall team is built instead of the "must give this one Pokemon the opening to set-up and sweep" principle.
     
  5. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    Ditto is actually rather easy to play around. It will almost always be holding a choice scarf, and you know it's moves, so it's ridiculously easy to predict. And thanks to team viewer, you will always know if you enemy has a ditto in the first place, so you can just avoid using set up moves too often. And if you really don't want to make such simple predictions, give your set up sweeper substitute. It's a great support move and most sweepers don't mind having it.
     
  6. Sietse23

    Sietse23 *Brainfarts*

    Standard, with it almost always being scarfed you can easily scout it and with a Sub-sweeper it can't do anything at all, there should be a catogorie between OU and Uber, Pokémon that suck too much for Uber and are too strong for OU, like Garchomp, Excadrill...
     
  7. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    Um, Uber is a banlist. Nothing more. Playing ubers is just playing without a banlist.

    The tier you're hoping for would just be OU with a couple out of control threats anyway.
     
  8. Sietse23

    Sietse23 *Brainfarts*

    Yes.

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  9. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    Ditto sucks against stall.
     
  10. John Wallrein

    John Wallrein I am the walrein

    Yes as everyone has pretty much covered, Ditto will not go Uber. Easily predicted due to having a Choice Scarf almost every time, and having a moveset that you know. And as many have stated Ditto can do really nothing to most stall. I like the point that Barbeller brought out too about it possibly staying NU. As he said it, it is bound to rise in usage at first, just due to the fact that its new and no one has really used it yet, but it could be discovered that it really isn't all it's cracked up to be and it will work its way back down in the usage stats.
     
  11. Dragalge

    Dragalge This is more than 20 characters long

    Ditto can be easily be predicted since their is Team Preview, so Ditto probably not go to Uber.
     
  12. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    Just to throw it out there, we can't just say it's going to be bad either. It's a check for almost every offensive pokemon in one.
     
  13. The thing about Ditto is that it will never been considered broken due to being overpowered on account of its own devices. After all, Ditto is only as powerful as the other Pokemon that occupy the tier it's being used in. However, it may be challenged based on how it impacts other team styles and strategies, similarly to Excadrill. While Excadrill's raw speed and power was a major reason for its ban, another huge factor was the pressure it put on offensive team styles. Choice Scarf users became obsolete against Excadrill, and its most solid checks and counters usually didn't fit well on offensive teams.

    The fact is, Ditto does put a lot of pressure on setup sweepers in general, as well as the teams that rely on them. Not many sweepers can set up safely against an opposing team with Ditto unless they're some kind of bulky sweeper, run Substitute, or have a teammate that checks itself very well. While it's usually easy to predict when it's running a Scarf, that's not guaranteed. There is a handful of players that run another item, such as Leftovers or Life Orb. The whole strategy is high-risk/high-return, as they may lose Ditto. However, if they win the speed tie, they could sweep your team with more versatility and freedom than a Choice Scarf set.

    I still would not consider Ditto broken, and there are a few reasons why. For one thing, Ditto can rarely switch directly into an opposing sweeper. Even if it switches in as the opponent is boosting, it won't get those boosts that it wants so badly. Ditto must come in on a revenge kill more often than not, meaning that the opponent will have to sacrifice something to bring it in. It's usually not that hard to play around a Ditto running a Scarf, meaning that if you can force it out, your opponent will have to find the opportunity to bring it back in again. If they run another item, they're playing a huge gamble. While they could sweep if they beat you in the speed tie, losing it means that they will end up losing their Ditto and might be swept shortly after. Moreover, it's important to remember that Ditto is only as strong as you make it. It is completely dependent on your team, and a good player will be able to use that to their advantage.
     
  14. kaiser soze

    kaiser soze Reading ADWD

    I haven't ran across many Dittos yet, but the only one who owned me switched into a Scrafty of mine with several boosts. I can count a hundred things that argubky should go to Ubers before Ditto.
     
  15. TerraWolf

    TerraWolf Banned

    Ditto is always gonna be one of those joke Pokemon that never make it out of UU like most Chlorophyll Pokemon
     
  16. Ísjaki

    Ísjaki Flood Of Red

    no, it isn't even that good .-.
     
  17. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Well I use it in my team and some players that lose to it claim it to be uber.
    So that's why I opened this disscussion.
    Actually it works very well when you have a status absorber and entry hazards on your part and you can save it till latter.
    Ditto saved my team so many times I don't even think of replacing him, even if he isn't that useful against stall it can wall the stall itself.
    Take for example stall jellicent it walls itself, sure it can burn it but then you know what it have and switch to a status absorber and just now you know the set that's for every pokemon jirachi and celebi have SO many sets just knowing their set is a huge advantage to your part.

    Also if you copy some offense pokemon like scizor or rotom-W you can volt turn yourself, you can also use ditto with slow volt turn users like scizor or magnezone and then get to use it without losing anyone also you get to choose the hidden power I use hidden power rock myself cause it is good for sweeping in OU and it can revenge kill volcarona easily.
    I think it will reach OU as it can do so many things.
     
  18. waffle_x_v

    waffle_x_v Fun stuff

    You people are so f*cking stupid it's unreal. Ditto will NEVER be banned. It isn't even a threat in freaking NU and you want it to go to ubers? Play the metagame, understand it better, then maybe you'll eat your words. It adapts to whatever metagmae it's in. If it were in a HO offensive meta, which nothing in BW is, then it would be very effective. It's only successful against boosted sweepers and is useless against stall and bulky offense, the latter is what all tiers(excluding ubers) are constructed of this gen.
     
  19. Cool Boy

    Cool Boy Be fearless

    Nah ditto is a normal pokemon.
    If we are talking about banned pokemon I think that smergale should banned
     
  20. Mr. Reloaded

    Mr. Reloaded The face of beauty

    That's a bit of an overstatement if people are saying Ditto of all Pokemon should be banned. Thing with Ditto is he can set up to be a big threat yes, but stalling? That's a no no.
     

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