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Does animal abuse need so much attention?

J.T.

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Odd. Usually I agree with the person arguing against ShinySandshrew.

Most disgusting? What about rape, murder, mutilation, chemical warfare, nuclear warfare? I would say that those are more disgusting, the last two becuase of the effects on the people they are used on.

Um... I'd say animal abuse is a hell of a lot more common than chemical or nuclear warfare, and far more people know that those two are wrong. Those first three are better comparisons, though.

Animal abuse is, quite possibly, the most disgusting thing a human being could do.

Thaaaaaaat's pushing it. Animal abuse is terrible, yes. I heard of a German woman who had a dog who was supposed to weigh 25 kg as a healthy weight, but who starved it to the point that it weighed 12kg - and she wanted to get it down to 5kg so she could take it as carry-on luggage during a plane ride. Is that horrific? You bet your ***. But is it as horrific as, say, ordering a genocide? Serial killing? Torture of humans? Are you seriously going to tell me this lady was on the same level as, or even worse than, Ted Bundy?

Troops in Iraq? **** 'em. They chose to go there; no animal chose to be abused.

Oh, that's really pleasant, dude. Yeah, they chose to go there. That doesn't mean they deserve whatever comes their way, or that they don't deserve any sort of attention or help. No, I don't like animal abuse. No, I don't think it gets too much attention - in fact, I'd be happier if it got more attention, at least around the area I live in, where some sick ****(s) is/are going around mutilating and killing cats and dogs. But where the hell do you get off telling soldiers "You chose this for yourselves, so **** you, you don't deserve any help/aid/support"?

And women who are raped chose to be raped? Children that have an abusive parent chose to be abused?

That's... not quite the same thing he was saying. Nobody chooses to be raped or abused, but most people do choose to go into the army. His line of logic following that is totally ****ed, but yours isn't that much better.
 

White Wizard

Hundred acre Woods
don't get me wrong, the penalties are low for killing an animal and should be higher, but depending on the situation, you can be alowed to kill it for your own/or someon else there safety, however if you kill without reason then you should just go to prison for a few years.. depending on the species of animal

well if you kill a indangered animal u get a fine, also if you poch you can get a fine.
but i think you should get a fine even if oyu kill your own animal.
i think there should a land where you can hunt. (like deer, ducks, geese. etc)
but besides that you should either get a fine or time in jail because its jsut not right. its like your murdering someone because an animals life is still a life.
 

White Wizard

Hundred acre Woods
Since you put animals at the level of children, wouldn't child abuse be higher considering that children have the capacity for so much more intelligence than animals?

no, and how do you know if people are smarter, thats right we dont because we cant talk to them. I think both are bad and they are pretty much the same thing people being hurtful to other living things.
 

ShinySandshrew

†God Follower†
Odd. Usually I agree with the person arguing against ShinySandshrew.
That's funny...and scary.



Um... I'd say animal abuse is a hell of a lot more common than chemical or nuclear warfare, and far more people know that those two are wrong. Those first three are better comparisons, though.
I wasn't saying that the last two were common, just that they were disgusting because of their effects. And I would say that genocide, serial killing and torture are generally more disgusting.


That doesn't mean they deserve whatever comes their way, or that they don't deserve any sort of attention or help.
True. And the scorn from fellow countrymen whose freedom they are protecting is pretty disgusting too.
 

Ethan

Banned
I'd say it deserves more attention. You know how it goes. You start with dolls, than animals, and work your way up to hookers.
 

Savannah

New Member
Honestly if you are walking in town and you see a mother and child sitting in rags on the street and then you see a mommy dog with 7 puppies on the street. Which are more likely to choose?

The truth is that animals appeal more to more people then helping children. That's why there are more help animals then help children commercials, because it appeals more and therefore is more funding for animal commercials.
 

J.T.

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no, and how do you know if people are smarter, thats right we dont because we cant talk to them.

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Because we can't tell a creature's intelligence by any way other than talking to them. Nope, we can't observe their actions, their problem-solving abilities, or their brain activity, we need to ask them in order to figure out if they're as smart as humans. I think the fact that octopi haven't built underwater houses more complicated than holes in the floor or used animal shells is a pretty good sign that they're not as intelligent as humans.
 

WynautQueen

Pokemon Caretaker
Honestly if you are walking in town and you see a mother and child sitting in rags on the street and then you see a mommy dog with 7 puppies on the street. Which are more likely to choose?

The truth is that animals appeal more to more people then helping children. That's why there are more help animals then help children commercials, because it appeals more and therefore is more funding for animal commercials.

That implies that we're always forced to choose between the two and omit the other choice.
 

ForeverFlame

Well-Known Member
I hate the "focus on more important things" argument.

No. Take the third option and focus on everything at the same time.
 

revolvingscott

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We are far more important than animals and part of the reason is our capacity for intelligence.
That's an opinion; please refrain from acting like it's a fact.

I never said that you don't care, but what you said implies that other people who are abused chose to be abused.
No it didn't. I said that they signed up for something. Of course, I didn't say that abused women and children didn't sign up but that doesn't imply anything. If you require me to list everyone that doesn't sign up for anything, we're going to have a loooong list so can we just cut the crap here? kthnx.

Thaaaaaaat's pushing it. Animal abuse is terrible, yes. I heard of a German woman who had a dog who was supposed to weigh 25 kg as a healthy weight, but who starved it to the point that it weighed 12kg - and she wanted to get it down to 5kg so she could take it as carry-on luggage during a plane ride. Is that horrific? You bet your ***. But is it as horrific as, say, ordering a genocide? Serial killing? Torture of humans? Are you seriously going to tell me this lady was on the same level as, or even worse than, Ted Bundy?
I was clearly exaggerating. I do think that serial killing is worse than that woman; but she needs to be locked up.

But where the hell do you get off telling soldiers "You chose this for yourselves, so **** you, you don't deserve any help/aid/support"?
They get their aid/support/help from their employers, the military. Honestly, they knew what they were getting when they signed up so if something happens, they knew it was a possibility yet they still signed up. They literally said they wanted to get shot at for a career so I just don't care if they do get shot at.

True. And the scorn from fellow countrymen whose freedom they are protecting is pretty disgusting too.
lol. I'm not your 'fellow countryman' and they're not protecting your freedom (or mine, for that matter).
That is, if that was directed at me; a tad vague that comment was.
 

WynautQueen

Pokemon Caretaker
lol. I'm not your 'fellow countryman' and they're not protecting your freedom (or mine, for that matter).
That is, if that was directed at me; a tad vague that comment was.

Some people like to imagine that some foreign power is always out to stuff our freedom in a sack and run away with it one night. It's just how it is.
 
frankly, no it does not. the sociopaths sick enough to abuse animals and the corporations who use animals for testing are not going to stop just because they saw a cute bunny rabbit warns them against hurting it in a peta commercial. its pointless; theyre conscience is fine with what they do and an appeal to emotion isnt going to put an end to it.
 

J.T.

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They get their aid/support/help from their employers, the military. Honestly, they knew what they were getting when they signed up so if something happens, they knew it was a possibility yet they still signed up. They literally said they wanted to get shot at for a career so I just don't care if they do get shot at.

And everyone who gets into a car knows there's a possibility they'll get in a crash, but that doesn't mean they don't deserve help and care from others if they do get in one. My dad's job involves things such as working in high places and working on very powerful electrical equipment. If something goes wrong and he gets seriously hurt, am I to assume that, by your logic, I should ignore what happened because "he chose this for himself"? **** no.

And yeah, I know you're more likely to get shot in the military than you are to get in a car crash or my dad is to get electrocuted or fall off something (maybe). That's not my point. Just because someone chose a certain action or career or whatever with a certain level of risk involved, doesn't mean we should just leave them on their own and ignore them if something does happen.
 

7 tyranitars

Well-Known Member
We are far more important than animals and part of the reason is our capacity for intelligence.

there are certain theories that if dolphins would have thumbs there would be an underwater society of dolphins, we are not far more important, there are animals like dolphins certain ape species that are inteligent animals - we are still smarter but that would not really give a
reason to be more important we consider ourself more important because we are humans ourself. it is like would you rather safe your mom our some random person you don't know.

There are a lot of other horible things out there in the world - and I have to admit some of those safe the animal comercials just piss me off how anoying they are, but if they would just make a few good organisations for everything it would be a lot better then how it is now, a lot of organistion and not a crap is happening because they are competing with eachother for the money - 75% of them are corrupt or the money falls into a corrupt government somewhere in the middle of africa - and at the you don't have money to do anything good with it (note I'm not talking about anti- animal abuse organisations only this is about every single organisation who tries to make the world a better place)

my conclusion animals deserve protection aswell, and the 'there are worse things out there' argument is kinda lame they are our fellow inhabitans of this planet and they shouldn't be abused


well if you kill a indangered animal u get a fine, also if you poch you can get a fine.
but i think you should get a fine even if oyu kill your own animal.
i think there should a land where you can hunt. (like deer, ducks, geese. etc)

yeah however there should be exceptions:
-if you or someon else is indanger
-if the animal is in pain - but in those cases you should bring it to a fed if it is in the town or call someon who specialise in animals if it can harm you or those arround you.

but besides that you should either get a fine or time in jail because its jsut not right. its like your murdering someone because an animals life is still a life.

this is basicly my opinion ^
 

White Wizard

Hundred acre Woods
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Because we can't tell a creature's intelligence by any way other than talking to them. Nope, we can't observe their actions, their problem-solving abilities, or their brain activity, we need to ask them in order to figure out if they're as smart as humans. I think the fact that octopi haven't built underwater houses more complicated than holes in the floor or used animal shells is a pretty good sign that they're not as intelligent as humans.

we too bad animals dont have thumbs, besides monkeys
and i hope you dont have a pet. so are animals too bumb to get attion when they getting abused?
 

J.T.

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natie

Mr. F
Since you put animals at the level of children, wouldn't child abuse be higher considering that children have the capacity for so much more intelligence than animals?
A bunch of animals are far more intelligent than a mere kid.
 

Lorde

Banned
but I've never seen a commercial asking for donations to help the troops in Iraq.

That's probably because the War in Iraq gets federal funding, whereas animal abuse shelters and other animal facilities get little to no federal funding and must therefore resort to public funding. Hence why you see animal abuse commercials and you've noticed the lack of Iraq war commercials. Is animal abuse a big deal? Does it need a lot of attention? Yes to both, but I personally think some people take it too far and onto a whole other level. I've seen some of the rallies and they get nasty :S
 
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