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Does Journey’s series like to troll the Pokémon fandom?

AuraChannelerChris

"I'll punch you in the throat!"
No.

They're simply incompetent.
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
I know this is a bit premature, but I would like to ask y'all opinion n Pokemon Journeys so far, adding disappointments vs. successes in the balance, for you, where is it on your personal list?
 

AuraChannelerChris

"I'll punch you in the throat!"
Paul would legit be in the PWC, but his excuse for not being it in just doesn't hold water. He didn't mention Brandon or being busy trying to beat him, which could have been a better excuse (or not, if he did the PWC as a training method).
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
I'm sick of Tomiyasu hate

-People complained that he "hated XY" and then he shut everyone's mouth by giving Kalos great importance for the development of Journeys characters and pokemon, such as dracovish, sirfetch (clemont), chloe (serena), Greninja (lucario) even making Greninja defeat the Shillmon of the moment, which had never happened before

-People said that he only gave importance to goh and that ash would be relegated and in the end ash ended up having many episodes for himself and his training ,also, heck sure the idea of pokemon go and catching all the pokemon was the decision of most importante people than Tomiyasu and who make decisions for the anime , the staff can't make goh train and fight to catch all the pokemon because it would stretch like a thousand chapters

-People said that gengar would be a jobber and that lucario would have all the shine during Journeys, and so far all of ash's pokemon have been important in their own way, keeping this good aspect of the SM series


I know guys, it's a shitty and stupid decision the ''NO RESERVES'' , but IS IT REALLY THE WRITERS' FAULT??? And if maybe, if just maybe, the Marketing Team is the one that makes the final decision? let's stop being so childish please, it's okay to criticize, I know there are bad things like the supposed elimination of Ash-Greninja (recently in an interview they said it was very popular, so they may still be saving it for something), Chloe's approach to introducing the Eeves that was not exciting at all and you had this feeling that the whole moral of this story could have been resolved in one episode with Virgil and then in the next episode, Lana talking to her about not evolving, or maybe Dawn Stagnation .but don't start acting like psychopaths and calling Tomiyasu a terrorist.
 
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ZarudeSandstorm

Well-Known Member
Well that's what we don't know about since Iris was off-screen. Champions are no longer treated as god-like trainers, Iris only became champion of one region. While they should of given a flashback of Alder, I don't see it too unbelieveable what little we see him do.
Nah, it's perfectly fine Paul is not in the PWC. This isn't DP-era Paul, he's still portrayed as very powerful, but he wants to forge his own path.
Nope it is not fine lmao.
I am not talking about them being unbeatable or beatable. I am talking how trash writing is by make some Pokemon magically strongest or extra strong while in previous series that never happened.

Easy fix for Journeys. Make Iris gym leader( she said that Drayden is her teacher which make no sense how can gym leader be a teacher to Champion.) Anyway: make her GL and Dragon Master in making. Make Pikachu vs Dragonite(I)/Haroxus. Dragonite(A) vs her new dragon Pokemon. After that goodbye Iris.

When Ash battles E4/Champion make him use reserves. There writing is fixed.M8: Ash, Leon, Lance, Diantha,Cynthia, Alan,Paul and Steven.
 

Heekful

Well-Known Member
I'm sick of Tomiyasu hate

-People complained that he "hated XY" and then he shut everyone's mouth by giving Kalos great importance for the development of Journeys characters and pokemon, such as dracovish, sirfetch (clemont), chloe (serena), Greninja (lucario) even making Greninja defeat the Shillmon of the moment, which had never happened before

-People said that he only gave importance to goh and that ash would be relegated and in the end ash ended up having many episodes for himself and his training ,also, heck sure the idea of pokemon go and catching all the pokemon was the decision of most importante people than Tomiyasu and who make decisions for the anime , the staff can't make goh train and fight to catch all the pokemon because it would stretch like a thousand chapters

-People said that gengar would be a jobber and that lucario would have all the shine during Journeys, and so far all of ash's pokemon have been important in their own way, keeping this good aspect of the SM series

I know guys, it's a shitty and stupid decision the ''NO RESERVES'' , but IS IT REALLY THE WRITERS' FAULT??? And if maybe, if just maybe, the Marketing Team is the one that makes the final decision? let's stop being so childish please, it's okay to criticize but don't start acting like psychopaths and calling Tomiyasu a terrorist

The hate is deserved and I will only talk about about the XY part because I don't even watch Journeys as I don't care about it, I only watched the characters return episodes and plan to watch the Masters eight, so the other parts I can't judge.

Yes he made XY characters come back but for what ? Most of this was about retconning the popular things, Clemont looked like a begginer trainer when he battled Ash while Ash struggled against him during their gym battle back in XY and I don't consider JN Ash more powerful than his XY counterpart.

He retconned Ash Greninja out of nowhere and made his return episode kinda... Pointless ? He was just here to glorify his new toy Lucario.

About Serena, he deleted her from the flashback in JN103 for... No reasons at all ? I still can't find a good reason even 2 months after the episode, classic Tomiyasu non sense.

In the actual Serena episode he made some good callbacks (he storyboarded all the episodes he made callbacks to back in XY so it's not even an impressive feat tbh) but he somewhat made a short 30 sec reunion between 2 characters that fans have been waiting to be reunited for YEARS , I'm not asking for a kiss callback or blushing stuffs I don't care about that, I don't see the point of Ash and Serena meeting for 30sec and have one line to say to each other, again another pointless decision by Tomiyasu. We still don't know if anything is retconned about Serena but if she doesn't appear again till the end of the JN saga, we can assume her crush got retconned.
 

Blood Red

【推しの子】
They're either dealing with heavy pressure from up top, or they're just that bad at their jobs. Either way, I don't think they're intentionally trying to piss people off; that's not how you run the advertising and marketing arm of a billion-dollar franchise. Is there some obvious bias and favoritism in this series? Yeah, and I don't think any rational person will deny that. Does that mean there's some sort of conspiracy to piss off fans of a certain season? Absolutely not, because OLM would sooner fire the whole anime staff than lose TPC's business.
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
Yes he made XY characters come back but for what ? Most of this was about retconning the popular things, Clemont looked like a begginer trainer when he battled Ash while Ash struggled against him during their gym battle back in XY and I don't consider JN Ash more powerful than his XY counterpart.
Clemont is a gym level trainer, eh, he's not strong

He retconned Ash Greninja out of nowhere and made his return episode kinda... Pointless ? He was just here to glorify his new toy Lucario.
Greninja was far superior to Lucario in this episode, also, is it confirmed that Ash-Greninja was retconed? What if Tomiyasu shuts us all up again?

About Serena, he deleted her from the flashback in JN103 for... No reasons at all ? I still can't find a good reason even 2 months after the episode, classic Tomiyasu non sense.
This answer is so obvious that I won't bother answering it.
 
I'm sick of Tomiyasu hate

-People complained that he "hated XY" and then he shut everyone's mouth by giving Kalos great importance for the development of Journeys characters and pokemon, such as dracovish, sirfetch (clemont), chloe (serena), Greninja (lucario) even making Greninja defeat the Shillmon of the moment, which had never happened before
It's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
It's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.
absolutely against this, what you are saying makes no sense
 

Heekful

Well-Known Member
Clemont is a gym level trainer, eh, he's not strong


Greninja was far superior to Lucario in this episode, also, is it confirmed that Ash-Greninja was retconed? What if Tomiyasu shuts us all up again?


This answer is so obvious that I won't bother answering it.

- Doesn't change my point that they disrespected him

- If he shuts me up I'll just shut up ? But as of right now I'm still waiting and I think I can wait for long.

Tell me what's the answer then ? If you tell me "She wasn't in the context of the scene" yeah then why did Cilan got animated in a flashback when he wasn't part of the context ?

I'm sorry there's still 0 reason to not include Serena in that flashback, I'm glad JN105 followed because if not, I would have thought Tomiyasu simply deleted Serena from the anime canon... Which director would delete one of their most popular female character ? (confirmed by official japanese polls) probably a director that does a terrible job.
 

pardusco

"The oppression of Poké Balls."
I come back a week or so later to see all of this. Paul not doing squat, terrible M8 matchups, and reserves not doing squat. Lol why does this surprise anyone at this point? When will y'all learn?
 

Mespritan

Another idiot Scott account. Banned.
Yes he made XY characters come back but for what ? Most of this was about retconning the popular things, Clemont looked like a begginer trainer when he battled Ash while Ash struggled against him during their gym battle back in XY and I don't consider JN Ash more powerful than his XY counterpart.

Clemont was literally in a training battle to show how powerful those new moves were. I have no idea how you think he was disrespected, his Pokemon got KO'd but that wasn't even a proper battle. The whole episode showed how much Clemont had grown teaching Ash's pokemon moves and recognizing what Sirfetch'd was trying to do, and we also know he officially challenged Drasna at some point off-screen. And yes, Ash is supposed to be much stronger now.
He retconned Ash Greninja out of nowhere and made his return episode kinda... Pointless ? He was just here to glorify his new toy Lucario.
How was Greninja's return episode pointless? We saw it school Ash's Lucario and defeat it easily, then decide to help train it by summoning it's aura, and then joined Ash and Lucario for a double attack about the vines. The whole episode showed Greninja as strong as he was, and the aura sphere that carried over to Lucario is what he used to defeat Raihan. I do agree removing the AshGreninja scenes in the flashback is odd, but not everything else.

About Serena, he deleted her from the flashback in JN103 for... No reasons at all ? I still can't find a good reason even 2 months after the episode, classic Tomiyasu non sense.

In the actual Serena episode he made some good callbacks (he storyboarded all the episodes he made callbacks to back in XY so it's not even an impressive feat tbh) but he somewhat made a short 30 sec reunion between 2 characters that fans have been waiting to be reunited for YEARS , I'm not asking for a kiss callback or blushing stuffs I don't care about that, I don't see the point of Ash and Serena meeting for 30sec and have one line to say to each other, again another pointless decision by Tomiyasu. We still don't know if anything is retconned about Serena but if she doesn't appear again till the end of the JN saga, we can assume her crush got retconned.
We know good and well why they kept Ash and Serena's interactions brief, it was the best way to handle her return showing how much she grew on her own without shipping overtaking the episode. Most Serena and Amour fans loved the episode when it aired and you can look back at the old posts.

I come back a week or so later to see all of this. Paul not doing squat, terrible M8 matchups, and reserves not doing squat. Lol why does this surprise anyone at this point? When will y'all learn?
Paul not doing squat? He literally had a major role in the episode to train Ash for Masters 8, why do you comment without watching the episode?

It's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.
I don't think any of those episodes were mediocre at all, since Korrina, Clemont/Bonnie, Serena and Greninja all had good episodes. I don't know what the hell is happening with Alan, but I'm content with the prior returns. The Drasna battle was lackluster but I don't count that as part of the returns since she never appeared in XY itself. Korrina coming back a second time to be friends with Bea was nice too. Changed flashbacks don't somehow de-value Greninja's return as weird as the change was.
 

Zweilous

The gum you like is Go-ing to come back in style
I know this is a bit premature, but I would like to ask y'all opinion n Pokemon Journeys so far, adding disappointments vs. successes in the balance, for you, where is it on your personal list?
JN > BW > DP > AG > SM > Kanto > XY> Johto

XY would normally tie with Kanto, but I moved Kanto up because my kids really liked Orange Islands. I know BW is an unpopular pick, but I can forgive its flaws because it has a lot of elements I absolutely love. But I don't think any series is bad, per se.
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
Tomiyasu simply deleted Serena from the anime canon...
That's the problem, you guys assume things Ash - Greninja retcon, Serena eliminated... It was obvious that Serena being eliminated from the flashback was for episode 105, a surprise, it's so obvious
 

Ragnarok4

The Unova League is better than the Masters 8
Clemont was literally in a training battle to show how powerful those new moves were. I have no idea how you think he was disrespected, his Pokemon got KO'd but that wasn't even a proper battle. The whole episode showed how much Clemont had grown teaching Ash's pokemon moves and recognizing what Sirfetch'd was trying to do, and we also know he officially challenged Drasna at some point off-screen. And yes, Ash is supposed to be much stronger now.

How was Greninja's return episode pointless? We saw it school Ash's Lucario and defeat it easily, then decide to help train it by summoning it's aura, and then joined Ash and Lucario for a double attack about the vines. The whole episode showed Greninja as strong as he was, and the aura sphere that carried over to Lucario is what he used to defeat Raihan. I do agree removing the AshGreninja scenes in the flashback is odd, but not everything else.


We know good and well why they kept Ash and Serena's interactions brief, it was the best way to handle her return showing how much she grew on her own without shipping overtaking the episode. Most Serena and Amour fans loved the episode when it aired and you can look back at the old posts.


Paul not doing squat? He literally had a major role in the episode to train Ash for Masters 8, why do you comment without watching the episode?


I don't think any of those episodes were mediocre at all, since Korrina, Clemont/Bonnie, Serena and Greninja all had good episodes. I don't know what the hell is happening with Alan, but I'm content with the prior returns. The Drasna battle was lackluster but I don't count that as part of the returns since she never appeared in XY itself. Korrina coming back a second time to be friends with Bea was nice too. Changed flashbacks don't somehow de-value Greninja's return as weird as the change was.

THANKS
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
absolutely against this, what you are saying makes no sense
It is power-up, what did you expect?

This "favouritism" argument since the Lillie episode is their way to "justify" their insatisfaction with how what they like got treated in Journeys.

Which is funny because Serena got one of the best JN episodes overall and was satisfying in many ways, including for people who didn't care at all about her during XY.
 
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