It's better than OS, Hoenn's section of AG, & BW but worse than Kanto AG, DP, XY, & SM so about the middle imoI know this is a bit premature, but I would like to ask y'all opinion n Pokemon Journeys so far, adding disappointments vs. successes in the balance, for you, where is it on your personal list?
Well that's what we don't know about since Iris was off-screen. Champions are no longer treated as god-like trainers, Iris only became champion of one region. While they should of given a flashback of Alder, I don't see it too unbelieveable what little we see him do.
Nope it is not fine lmao.Nah, it's perfectly fine Paul is not in the PWC. This isn't DP-era Paul, he's still portrayed as very powerful, but he wants to forge his own path.
I'm sick of Tomiyasu hate
-People complained that he "hated XY" and then he shut everyone's mouth by giving Kalos great importance for the development of Journeys characters and pokemon, such as dracovish, sirfetch (clemont), chloe (serena), Greninja (lucario) even making Greninja defeat the Shillmon of the moment, which had never happened before
-People said that he only gave importance to goh and that ash would be relegated and in the end ash ended up having many episodes for himself and his training ,also, heck sure the idea of pokemon go and catching all the pokemon was the decision of most importante people than Tomiyasu and who make decisions for the anime , the staff can't make goh train and fight to catch all the pokemon because it would stretch like a thousand chapters
-People said that gengar would be a jobber and that lucario would have all the shine during Journeys, and so far all of ash's pokemon have been important in their own way, keeping this good aspect of the SM series
I know guys, it's a shitty and stupid decision the ''NO RESERVES'' , but IS IT REALLY THE WRITERS' FAULT??? And if maybe, if just maybe, the Marketing Team is the one that makes the final decision? let's stop being so childish please, it's okay to criticize but don't start acting like psychopaths and calling Tomiyasu a terrorist
Clemont is a gym level trainer, eh, he's not strongYes he made XY characters come back but for what ? Most of this was about retconning the popular things, Clemont looked like a begginer trainer when he battled Ash while Ash struggled against him during their gym battle back in XY and I don't consider JN Ash more powerful than his XY counterpart.
Greninja was far superior to Lucario in this episode, also, is it confirmed that Ash-Greninja was retconed? What if Tomiyasu shuts us all up again?He retconned Ash Greninja out of nowhere and made his return episode kinda... Pointless ? He was just here to glorify his new toy Lucario.
This answer is so obvious that I won't bother answering it.About Serena, he deleted her from the flashback in JN103 for... No reasons at all ? I still can't find a good reason even 2 months after the episode, classic Tomiyasu non sense.
It's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.I'm sick of Tomiyasu hate
-People complained that he "hated XY" and then he shut everyone's mouth by giving Kalos great importance for the development of Journeys characters and pokemon, such as dracovish, sirfetch (clemont), chloe (serena), Greninja (lucario) even making Greninja defeat the Shillmon of the moment, which had never happened before
absolutely against this, what you are saying makes no senseIt's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.
Clemont is a gym level trainer, eh, he's not strong
Greninja was far superior to Lucario in this episode, also, is it confirmed that Ash-Greninja was retconed? What if Tomiyasu shuts us all up again?
This answer is so obvious that I won't bother answering it.
Yes he made XY characters come back but for what ? Most of this was about retconning the popular things, Clemont looked like a begginer trainer when he battled Ash while Ash struggled against him during their gym battle back in XY and I don't consider JN Ash more powerful than his XY counterpart.
How was Greninja's return episode pointless? We saw it school Ash's Lucario and defeat it easily, then decide to help train it by summoning it's aura, and then joined Ash and Lucario for a double attack about the vines. The whole episode showed Greninja as strong as he was, and the aura sphere that carried over to Lucario is what he used to defeat Raihan. I do agree removing the AshGreninja scenes in the flashback is odd, but not everything else.He retconned Ash Greninja out of nowhere and made his return episode kinda... Pointless ? He was just here to glorify his new toy Lucario.
We know good and well why they kept Ash and Serena's interactions brief, it was the best way to handle her return showing how much she grew on her own without shipping overtaking the episode. Most Serena and Amour fans loved the episode when it aired and you can look back at the old posts.About Serena, he deleted her from the flashback in JN103 for... No reasons at all ? I still can't find a good reason even 2 months after the episode, classic Tomiyasu non sense.
In the actual Serena episode he made some good callbacks (he storyboarded all the episodes he made callbacks to back in XY so it's not even an impressive feat tbh) but he somewhat made a short 30 sec reunion between 2 characters that fans have been waiting to be reunited for YEARS , I'm not asking for a kiss callback or blushing stuffs I don't care about that, I don't see the point of Ash and Serena meeting for 30sec and have one line to say to each other, again another pointless decision by Tomiyasu. We still don't know if anything is retconned about Serena but if she doesn't appear again till the end of the JN saga, we can assume her crush got retconned.
Paul not doing squat? He literally had a major role in the episode to train Ash for Masters 8, why do you comment without watching the episode?I come back a week or so later to see all of this. Paul not doing squat, terrible M8 matchups, and reserves not doing squat. Lol why does this surprise anyone at this point? When will y'all learn?
I don't think any of those episodes were mediocre at all, since Korrina, Clemont/Bonnie, Serena and Greninja all had good episodes. I don't know what the hell is happening with Alan, but I'm content with the prior returns. The Drasna battle was lackluster but I don't count that as part of the returns since she never appeared in XY itself. Korrina coming back a second time to be friends with Bea was nice too. Changed flashbacks don't somehow de-value Greninja's return as weird as the change was.It's incredibly funny that when people try to run defense for Journeys/Tomiyasu, their explanations amount to what are essentially one-line plot summaries for how well JN supposedly handled XY characters. Once you start to dig through the episodes, the episodes rang from mediocre to downright debasing core tenets of XY.
JN > BW > DP > AG > SM > Kanto > XY> JohtoI know this is a bit premature, but I would like to ask y'all opinion n Pokemon Journeys so far, adding disappointments vs. successes in the balance, for you, where is it on your personal list?
That's the problem, you guys assume things Ash - Greninja retcon, Serena eliminated... It was obvious that Serena being eliminated from the flashback was for episode 105, a surprise, it's so obviousTomiyasu simply deleted Serena from the anime canon...
Clemont was literally in a training battle to show how powerful those new moves were. I have no idea how you think he was disrespected, his Pokemon got KO'd but that wasn't even a proper battle. The whole episode showed how much Clemont had grown teaching Ash's pokemon moves and recognizing what Sirfetch'd was trying to do, and we also know he officially challenged Drasna at some point off-screen. And yes, Ash is supposed to be much stronger now.
How was Greninja's return episode pointless? We saw it school Ash's Lucario and defeat it easily, then decide to help train it by summoning it's aura, and then joined Ash and Lucario for a double attack about the vines. The whole episode showed Greninja as strong as he was, and the aura sphere that carried over to Lucario is what he used to defeat Raihan. I do agree removing the AshGreninja scenes in the flashback is odd, but not everything else.
We know good and well why they kept Ash and Serena's interactions brief, it was the best way to handle her return showing how much she grew on her own without shipping overtaking the episode. Most Serena and Amour fans loved the episode when it aired and you can look back at the old posts.
Paul not doing squat? He literally had a major role in the episode to train Ash for Masters 8, why do you comment without watching the episode?
I don't think any of those episodes were mediocre at all, since Korrina, Clemont/Bonnie, Serena and Greninja all had good episodes. I don't know what the hell is happening with Alan, but I'm content with the prior returns. The Drasna battle was lackluster but I don't count that as part of the returns since she never appeared in XY itself. Korrina coming back a second time to be friends with Bea was nice too. Changed flashbacks don't somehow de-value Greninja's return as weird as the change was.
It is power-up, what did you expect?absolutely against this, what you are saying makes no sense
SM=DP/SM=DP/Kanto+OI=XY/XY=Kanto+OI/JN/BW/AG/JohtoI know this is a bit premature, but I would like to ask y'all opinion n Pokemon Journeys so far, adding disappointments vs. successes in the balance, for you, where is it on your personal list?
Clemont/Bonnie is one of the few areas where I've specifically praised JN for some decent character interactions, however, besides that, the episode fails in several departments. Incredibly horrible animation and bad action direction. Haphazardly paced episode with the battle being rushed and the actual " teaching " moment being much less substantial then you're actually making it out to be. Did people forget that the episode involved two incredibly boring OHKO moves and as I mentioned, contributing much less in helping Ash?Clemont was literally in a training battle to show how powerful those new moves were. I have no idea how you think he was disrespected, his Pokemon got KO'd but that wasn't even a proper battle. The whole episode showed how much Clemont had grown teaching Ash's pokemon moves and recognizing what Sirfetch'd was trying to do, and we also know he officially challenged Drasna at some point off-screen. And yes, Ash is supposed to be much stronger now.
I don't think it was pointless. I think it shived Greninja's characterization and development heavily in favor of a mentorial role that lost a lot of value to me because of that coupled with again, traditional horrible JN animation. Can't believe people are understating how bad the retcon is for XY considering how significant Ash-Greninja was.How was Greninja's return episode pointless? We saw it school Ash's Lucario and defeat it easily, then decide to help train it by summoning it's aura, and then joined Ash and Lucario for a double attack about the vines. The whole episode showed Greninja as strong as he was, and the aura sphere that carried over to Lucario is what he used to defeat Raihan. I do agree removing the AshGreninja scenes in the flashback is odd, but not everything else.
You can read my two essays for the Serena episode, both of which I think have aged incredibly well and has led to more Serena/Amour fans looking at the episode skeptically.We know good and well why they kept Ash and Serena's interactions brief, it was the best way to handle her return showing how much she grew on her own without shipping overtaking the episode. Most Serena and Amour fans loved the episode when it aired and you can look back at the old posts.
The animation issues aside, which I don't think were that bad in that episode because there was barely any action in it (the Drasna battle was a mess, but that's a different issue), the episode had Clemont and Ash catch up with one another and Bonnie had the same cute moments from XY while also maturing a bit. The moves Ash used in this ep he defeated Drasna which, even though I agree that was one of the weakest PWC battles in general. I'm also not sure how it was paced bad because I never thought that training battle at the end was going to get a lot of screentime. People wrongly assumed it would be Ash vs. Clemont Round 2 or something, but I figured it wouldn't be.Clemont/Bonnie is one of the few areas where I've specifically praised JN for some decent character interactions, however, besides that, the episode fails in several departments. Incredibly horrible animation and bad action direction. Haphazardly paced episode with the battle being rushed and the actual " teaching " moment being much less substantial then you're actually making it out to be. Did people forget that the episode involved two incredibly boring OHKO moves and as I mentioned, contributing much less in helping Ash?
I thought the Greninja ep was animated well, we're clearly not seeing the same animation issues. The Drasna battle was animated poorly, unless you're talking about those "still screens" that showed Greninja jump over the vines in a few shots and that doesn't bother me. Greninja basically became its own person (sort of similar to Mewtwo), where it's like its own trainer. It mentored Lucario and showed how strong it was in its base form. Its interactions with Ash also showed how much they're on equal terms now. I'll give you the flashbacks were stupid, but it is what it is.I don't think it was pointless. I think it shived Greninja's characterization and development heavily in favor of a mentorial role that lost a lot of value to me because of that coupled with again, traditional horrible JN animation. Can't believe people are understating how bad the retcon is for XY considering how significant Ash-Greninja was.
I've read your posts before, you put too much emphasis on the blue ribbon when Serena's crush on Ash is still evident as shown at the end of the episode. The writers wanted to show Serena stand on her own and how far she's come without shipping taking over, hence why Ash was intentionally delayed by Wallace seeing her. Serena was basically repeating to Koharu the same advice Ash told her in XY, basically keeping Ash in her heart. The whole final scene on the docks was beautifully done as well. I'm not even much a shipper but it tugged at my heartstrings. I also liked how on the contest side they had Serena specialize in her appeal (note in Contests the trainer is not supposed to dance around with the pokemon like in tripokalons), while also wrapping up Koharu's arc too. Seeing some other stuff like Braixen evolved was an added bonus.Episode discussion essay: https://forums.serebii.net/threads/...nd-reunions-1194.697367/page-19#post-19356172
And for Amour: https://forums.serebii.net/threads/amourshipping-thread-v3.653815/page-312#post-19357297
TL;DR: They weren't good episodes