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Does the Paul rivalry send a wrong message to kids?

Leonhart

Imagineer
Do you think the Champions treat their Pokémon like Paul did? I don't think Cynthia was fond of his methods. In the games, Lance criticizes Silver for not caring about his Pokémon.

I don't remember Shirona scolding him for his methods, so she likely didn't care what Shinji did. I respect her somewhat for that since she didn't meddle in his training, unlike Satoshi.
 

Navin

MALDREAD
Do you think the Champions treat their Pokémon like Paul did? I don't think Cynthia was fond of his methods. In the games, Lance criticizes Silver for not caring about his Pokémon.

Cynthia told him to put aside his anger/disappointment after losing and making sure he goes to the Pokemon Center to treat his Pokemon before going back to training. She actually praises how well he trained his Torterra.

I would agree with that if Paul didn't break the number one rule of the Pokemon universe: that Pokemon are friends and companions, and that it's wrong to only care about how strong they are.

Paul showed that a trainer doesn't have to best buddies with Pokemon. Paul and Torterra are like Bill Belichick and Tom Brady of the New England Patriots; very close, built out of mutual respect from countless battles, but maybe not best friends like Ash and Pikachu.

All of his Pokemon are battle junkies who want to become stronger, and they all respect him, and were disappointed when he lost to Ash at the league.

The Pokemon anime can't do subtle. The writers simply changed Paul's character on the run, and hoped that the viewers would forget about how cruel and abusive he was. All in order to spew some nonsense about "different training methods".

I agree that the Pokemon fandom has a tendency to "over-analyze" the anime to justify the writing, especially when it's not trying to be subtle or deep.

But I don't know if I'd agree that the writers just "forgot" and changed his character. It's more of intention vs execution. They probably wanted to show character development, with Paul changing after getting humbled by Cynthia and Brandon, and slowly appreciating Ash's methods, especially after he found out Ash beat the Battle Frontier, as well as gaining respect towards Ash for having the cajones to challenge him to a full battle, give the best fight he could, lose but still keep going, and obviously for continuing to train Chimchar and eventually master Blaze. Whether or not it was done in a compelling or rational way might be a different story.

Too bad people like AJ, Gary or Alain add to the diversity in a much more nuanced and tolerable way.

Those are all different characters than Paul.
 

sealeo

Member
In one way i suppose it can encourage unfriendly behaviour amongst 2 competitors in the real world, it is telling the kids that unfriendly behaviour towards the other is acceptable because the one who displays such behaviour i e paul is persistent keeps on and on, giving snide and offensive remarks towards ash.
 

Razor Claw

Active Member
I thought Paul's rivalry was handled perfectly. He's a much better trainer to his Pokemon at the end (notice how he doesn't release any of his Pokemon after Chimchar). I could write an essay about why the DP rival arc between Ash and Paul is so good, but the main thing is that both trainers are better by the end (also, several awesome battles).
 
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