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Does the world need more Atheist?

crobatman

Well-Known Member
I thought of making this thread after reading an article by a pastor I know from Florida.


I heard an atheist on the radio and his closing statement was, "What the world needs is more atheists." (Lest I be misunderstood, let me state clearly that I believe any man has the right to be an atheist if he so chooses.) I mulled his statement over in my mind for quite a while and here are some of my thoughts.

I have read of many Christians, past and present, whose lives have been changed for the better. I have personally known or heard testimonies of many who testify that Jesus Christ has brought about dramatic changes in their lives. I enjoy listening to a radio program called "Unshackled," produced by Pacific Garden Mission in Chicago. Thousands of these programs have been produced that dramatize the life of a person that has been changed through faith in Jesus Christ. But, I don't recall ever reading or hearing one person who said atheism had changed his life for the better.

I have personally watched Christians meet death without fear and with eager anticipation of greater things to come. On the other hand, when I was a young man there was a good man in our neighborhood who was a self-avowed atheist. He would often joke about Jonah swallowing the whale. It was said that when he died he had to be held on the bed.

I have seen Catholic hospitals, Methodist hospitals, Baptist hospitals, Seventh Day Adventist hospitals, and Jewish hospitals, but I have never seen even one atheist hospital.

There are scores of "Christian" agencies that bring help to the hurting, whether it is feeding the homeless, running orphanages, visiting jails or bringing disaster relief. I am not aware of a single atheist agency whose purpose is to help the hurting.

In his book, In the Presence of Mine Enemies, Howard Rutledge, a Navy pilot, tells of spending seven years as a POW in North Vietnam. In this touching book he describes the torture he received and the loneliness he endured from years in solitary confinement. He, and his fellow prisoners, found strength and comfort in their faith in Christ and in the Bible verses and hymns they could remember. I don't recall hearing of a prisoner of war receiving strength and comfort from his atheism.

When I think of atheism I automatically think of some atheist professor in a public university who has a personal agenda to destroy the faith of any Christian who might have the unfortunate experience of being in his class. That seems to be their strong suit, spreading their atheism to young impressionable minds. Surely then atheism must have made a huge contribution in the area of establishing institutions of higher learning.
Eight of the nine colleges founded in America before the War of Independence in 1776 were begun for the furtherance of Christian education.

Harvard, the oldest university in America, was founded in 1636 by Puritans.
The College of William and Mary was founded in 1693 by Anglicans.
Yale was founded in 1701 by Congregationalists.
Princeton University (the College of New Jersey) was founded in 1747 by Presbyterians.
Columbia University (King's College) was founded in 1754 by Anglicans.
Brown University (Rhode Island College) was founded in 1764 by Baptists.
Rutgers (Queen's College) was established in 1766 by Dutch Reformed.
Dartmouth College was founded in 1769 by Congregationalists.1

I searched the internet and found at least 220 Christian colleges and universities in the United States. Ever hear of an atheist university? I doubt it, because atheists usually do their teaching in state universities. Public colleges and universities are supported by the taxes paid by the general public, yet atheists have free reign to teach whatever they like while Christians are often castigated and sometimes fired for teaching their convictions.

Atheists remind me of the European Cuckoo, a brood parasite. The cuckoo does not build its own nest but lays an egg in the nest of another bird. When the cuckoo egg hatches, the young cuckoo expels all of the other hatchlings and eggs from the nest, leaving the foster parents free to devote all of their time trying to keep up with the voracious appetite of a bird that usually grows much larger than the host adults long before it can care for itself. Atheists do not seem to be very good at starting things, they seem to be much better at taking over what someone else has begun.

How about great classical music? For example, George Frederick Handel's oratorio "Messiah," first performed 263 years ago. ("Oratorio means 'oratory by music.' Oratorios were originally designed to educate people in significant portions of the Bible. They date back to the time when Bibles were so expensive that few could afford them, and of the few who could, fewer still were sufficiently educated to be able to read them. To overcome the barriers of ignorance, or unavailability of the Scriptures, the great texts of the Bible were put to music, and men were taught to learn and sing them." 2 ) Ever hear of atheism inspiring anything even close to Handel's "Messiah"?

Johann Sebestian Bach, considered by many people to have been the greatest composer in the history of Western music, composed "Christian" music. During one five year period of his life he wrote a cantata a week for his church! He died "in the sixty-fifth year of his life, yielding up his blessed soul to his Savior." Has atheism ever inspired such a man?

"Da Vinci's Last Supper has become one of the most widely appreciated masterpieces in the world. It began to acquire its unique reputation immediately after it was finished in 1498 and its prestige has never diminished. Despite the many changes in tastes, artistic styles, and rapid physical deterioration of the painting itself, the painting's status as an extraordinary creation has never been questioned nor doubted."3 Have you seen any great works of art lately that have been inspired by atheism?

How about Michelangelo's painting on the Sistine Chapel or his sculpture of David or his Pieta? Over sixty of Rembrandt's paintings were on biblical themes. Shakespeare quoted or alluded to hundreds of Scriptures in his plays. How about John Bunyan's classic Pilgrim's Progress? Where are the atheistic classic counterparts?

The United States was founded on a belief in God. The Soviet Union was founded on atheism. Did you notice any difference between the two?

I could go on but I have run out of space. I think you get the picture. Does the world need more atheists? I will answer with another question, "Why?"

This is where I read it: http://www.raymcalister.com/Atheists.html

So what do you think? Does the world need atheist? What good have they contributed to society? Can they even decide what is good?
 

shadowkami

Internet Hustla'
Some actually have contributed to society through breakthroughs in science, literature and whatnot. We don't need more atheists as we don't need more christians unless they contribute to make the world better to live in. They're all people. The question is not whether we need more Atheists, Buddhists, Marxists, Communists, or Edit:even conservatives.:)P), As long as they bring their food to the table like everyone else, then I'm good. The question is whether we need less lazy people.

And besides Who is this guy? Who is he to say that atheists have no contibutory(If that is even a word) value? More people believed in Christ back because the world population was significantly smaller, and conversions, and missionaries. Of course, you're going to have a bunch of "Made by Christians" municipal structures and "Jesus Freaks" back then. I laughed at the idea of an "atheist hospital" Since when does religion have to do with the simple heroic act saving lives? He forgets that our own religion is rather murderous to get our point across through crusades and crap.

And when I last checked I thought the USSR was built on Communism...Please inform me as politcs is not my best subject.

But he does make a very convincing point. The achievements of Christians do surpass atheists. Maybe that's simply because there's so few of them. What if that was the other way around? What if 1/3rd of the world was atheist instead of Christian? Instead of all these christian hospitals, we have all these nations and municipal structures based on atheistic beliefs. I bet Christians would be the one's asking if the world needs more of them.

This is the only time I'm defending atheists. Enjoy it.

Oh and another thing I love unshackled too. Great program.
 
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PartyPokemon

L or Kira?
Some actually have contributed to society through breakthroughs in science, literature and whatnot. We don't need more atheists as we don't need more christians unless they contribute to make the world better to live in. They're all people. The question is not whether we need more Atheists, Buddhists, Marxists, Communists, or what ever that person's views is, As long as they bring their food to the table like everyone else, then I'm good. The question is whether we need less lazy people.
Yes, I agree. Although I can kindo of see the point in crobatman's post. But then again, it does not matter who or what you are as long as you are a good person. Also, a Christian attacking atheists can be as bad as an atheist attacking Christians (although atheists seem to ONLY attack Christianity...)
The world doesn't need anymore of anything but peace and love.
 
auug my poor brain to many words cant compute them all.

anyways the world only need more atheist if theyre are actually gonna do something worthwile instead of just bash christianity (the same goes for all other religions)
 

NPC

sleep researcher
Aurgh. This is... aurgh.

While I agree that nobody wants more petty teenage nonconformist wannabe-nihilist I'm-so-cool-for-being-atheist brats running around, this article is all wrong. What the author is essentially saying is "you should be a Christian because you'll be happier". It completely ignores the essence of religion: the search for truth, not comfort.

Not to mention that hundreds of atheists have influenced the world and culture, but the author conveniently ignores them completely. His mention of The Last Supper as an extraordinary work of Christian art is particularly laughable.
 
the world needs more people who are willing to contribute for the greater benefit of all, and that have the capacity to learn, atheist or not
 

Krake

Flabebe's Kids
And when I last checked I thought the USSR was built on Communism...Please inform me as politcs is not my best subject.

Communism wasn't introduced in Russia until during WWI.

I didn't really like how the article was presented. It also only gave examples like hospitals, colleges, and works of art, not major reforms like Civil Rights or major contributions to society.

And of course Christians are going to have contributed more than Atheists. For starters, they were pretty much prevalent at those times mentioned. The second thing is that you don't learn to be an Atheist. It's just a term used for someone who doesn't believe in a deity of any sorts.

As for Atheists not being happy, that's pretty stupid. I know a lot of Atheist/Agnostic people, including myself, who are content with their lives. The Christian people who died were probably satisfied with the good that they did with their lives and that they would be seeing God and Jesus as a result.
 

.TraX.

Bad and Nationwide
Ok, so now I might be able to post something..

Nearly every dictatorship has outlawed every or all but one religion for an obvious reason: it makes it possible to control people more easily. True atheists don't give a damn what you believe in, so long as you don't use your beliefs to try and change what they are allowed to do.

*I have a heap more to post on this topic but at the moment the forum is sending me to a 404 link failure when I try to post, I think someone has broken one of the error pages.
 
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GhostAnime

Searching for her...
It completely ignores the essence of religion: the search for truth, not comfort.
I'd argue it's more so comfort for the majority of followers.

If it was the search for truth, they wouldn't exactly believe in something that isn't readily proven.
 

NPC

sleep researcher
GhostAnime said:
I'd argue it's more so comfort for the majority of followers.

If it was the search for truth, they wouldn't exactly believe in something that isn't readily proven.

Do you really think that a pastor would be telling you to convert to Christianism because you'll feel better?
 

Krake

Flabebe's Kids
That's a pretty weak reason to believe in something you can't prove.

Not if someone only joins a religion because they are afraid of eternal suffering and 'accepting' a god will get them eternal happiness.
 

.TraX.

Bad and Nationwide
Not if someone only joins a religion because they are afraid of eternal suffering and 'accepting' a god will get them eternal happiness.

As I said, fear/comfort is a pretty weak reason for accepting something you can't prove exists. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
 

Krake

Flabebe's Kids
As I said, fear/comfort is a pretty weak reason for accepting something you can't prove exists. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.

I mean that they don't believe in a God, but join a religion in fear of a Hell.

And why is it a weak reason?
 

GhostAnime

Searching for her...
Do you really think that a pastor would be telling you to convert to Christianism because you'll feel better?
I believe he'll tell me for other things besides "truth".

Every Christian I've spoken to. Every single one of them IRL that I've told that I was Atheist always give me the SAME response.

"You're going to hell lol/I feel bad for you man."

What's this an interpretation as? "Truth" or "Fear/Comfort"?

If the FIRST thing you bring up to me is about my 'safety', then likely the first thing that comes to your mind about NOT believing is being safe.
As I said, fear/comfort is a pretty weak reason for accepting something you can't prove exists.
Just because it's a weak reason doesn't mean it's not what people are doing.

I really doubt people would care if the hell/heaven part were removed.
 

Pokemonwarrior

I Am Your Nightmare
I thought of making this thread after reading an article by a pastor I know from Florida.




This is where I read it: http://www.raymcalister.com/Atheists.html

So what do you think? Does the world need atheist? What good have they contributed to society? Can they even decide what is good?




OK so now we are bashing the atheists now. And when we go to post something like this we get closed down/banned/get infractions and hear the crying and whining of a billion people of Jesus (over stating it but there are a lot).

Let me ask you this does the world need more Christians?

And for the poster to have a quote that states we atheist are good about spreading our thoughts and beliefs when in fact you do the same if not more.

And for it to list things that people of faith do and then say we never do or inspire people to do great things when in fact if go here on wiki and if you try to un-perch yourself off your Jesus is good and all atheists are trash since they don't believe in any religion high horse and search Google you might just find that your wrong about us and we do as much for the world as you do we just don't put what we are in names of Schools or Hospitals.

We are as good as you and I'm sorry to all the nonjudgmental religious members out there if this is abrasive and harsh but its not fair to have this posted and for the poster to post things that down us and say were are useless.

I personally don't care what others believe in when it comes to religion just don't push it on me or down me for thinking and believing in what I do if you don't like it why should we.

This is all I have to say I hope unless I have to defend it further.
 
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pokemaster001

....................

Josiah

is your favorite
And when we go to post something like this we get closed down/banned/get infractions and hear the crying and whining of a billion people of Jesus (over stating it but there are a lot).
What do you call the is God still valid thread then?
 

Pokemonwarrior

I Am Your Nightmare
What do you call the is God still valid thread then?

It has bad thoughts toward Christians which is bashing but the poster don't come out and say hey look all Atheists are basically worthless and do nothing for the world like this thread does. In the quoted part of the first post. Then state that we are like the The Soviet Union. But do we state you to be like lets say Hitler (Catholic but no one says anything about that) and his party.
 
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Auraninja

Eh, ragazzo!
What the world needs is tolerable human beings and not ignorant people.
 
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