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Does the world need more Atheist?

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by crobatman, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. crobatman

    crobatman Well-Known Member

    I thought of making this thread after reading an article by a pastor I know from Florida.

    This is where I read it: http://www.raymcalister.com/Atheists.html

    So what do you think? Does the world need atheist? What good have they contributed to society? Can they even decide what is good?
  2. shadowkami

    shadowkami Internet Hustla'

    Some actually have contributed to society through breakthroughs in science, literature and whatnot. We don't need more atheists as we don't need more christians unless they contribute to make the world better to live in. They're all people. The question is not whether we need more Atheists, Buddhists, Marxists, Communists, or Edit:even conservatives.:)P), As long as they bring their food to the table like everyone else, then I'm good. The question is whether we need less lazy people.

    And besides Who is this guy? Who is he to say that atheists have no contibutory(If that is even a word) value? More people believed in Christ back because the world population was significantly smaller, and conversions, and missionaries. Of course, you're going to have a bunch of "Made by Christians" municipal structures and "Jesus Freaks" back then. I laughed at the idea of an "atheist hospital" Since when does religion have to do with the simple heroic act saving lives? He forgets that our own religion is rather murderous to get our point across through crusades and crap.

    And when I last checked I thought the USSR was built on Communism...Please inform me as politcs is not my best subject.

    But he does make a very convincing point. The achievements of Christians do surpass atheists. Maybe that's simply because there's so few of them. What if that was the other way around? What if 1/3rd of the world was atheist instead of Christian? Instead of all these christian hospitals, we have all these nations and municipal structures based on atheistic beliefs. I bet Christians would be the one's asking if the world needs more of them.

    This is the only time I'm defending atheists. Enjoy it.

    Oh and another thing I love unshackled too. Great program.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
  3. PartyPokemon

    PartyPokemon L or Kira?

    Yes, I agree. Although I can kindo of see the point in crobatman's post. But then again, it does not matter who or what you are as long as you are a good person. Also, a Christian attacking atheists can be as bad as an atheist attacking Christians (although atheists seem to ONLY attack Christianity...)
    The world doesn't need anymore of anything but peace and love.
  4. auug my poor brain to many words cant compute them all.

    anyways the world only need more atheist if theyre are actually gonna do something worthwile instead of just bash christianity (the same goes for all other religions)
  5. NPC

    NPC sleep researcher

    Aurgh. This is... aurgh.

    While I agree that nobody wants more petty teenage nonconformist wannabe-nihilist I'm-so-cool-for-being-atheist brats running around, this article is all wrong. What the author is essentially saying is "you should be a Christian because you'll be happier". It completely ignores the essence of religion: the search for truth, not comfort.

    Not to mention that hundreds of atheists have influenced the world and culture, but the author conveniently ignores them completely. His mention of The Last Supper as an extraordinary work of Christian art is particularly laughable.
  6. Tokin

    Tokin :3

    the world needs more people who are willing to contribute for the greater benefit of all, and that have the capacity to learn, atheist or not
  7. Krake

    Krake Flabebe's Kids

    Communism wasn't introduced in Russia until during WWI.

    I didn't really like how the article was presented. It also only gave examples like hospitals, colleges, and works of art, not major reforms like Civil Rights or major contributions to society.

    And of course Christians are going to have contributed more than Atheists. For starters, they were pretty much prevalent at those times mentioned. The second thing is that you don't learn to be an Atheist. It's just a term used for someone who doesn't believe in a deity of any sorts.

    As for Atheists not being happy, that's pretty stupid. I know a lot of Atheist/Agnostic people, including myself, who are content with their lives. The Christian people who died were probably satisfied with the good that they did with their lives and that they would be seeing God and Jesus as a result.
  8. .TraX.

    .TraX. Bad and Nationwide

    Ok, so now I might be able to post something..

    Nearly every dictatorship has outlawed every or all but one religion for an obvious reason: it makes it possible to control people more easily. True atheists don't give a damn what you believe in, so long as you don't use your beliefs to try and change what they are allowed to do.

    *I have a heap more to post on this topic but at the moment the forum is sending me to a 404 link failure when I try to post, I think someone has broken one of the error pages.
    Last edited: Feb 26, 2009
  9. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    I'd argue it's more so comfort for the majority of followers.

    If it was the search for truth, they wouldn't exactly believe in something that isn't readily proven.
  10. .TraX.

    .TraX. Bad and Nationwide

    That's a pretty weak reason to believe in something you can't prove.
  11. NPC

    NPC sleep researcher

    Do you really think that a pastor would be telling you to convert to Christianism because you'll feel better?
  12. Krake

    Krake Flabebe's Kids

    Not if someone only joins a religion because they are afraid of eternal suffering and 'accepting' a god will get them eternal happiness.
  13. .TraX.

    .TraX. Bad and Nationwide

    As I said, fear/comfort is a pretty weak reason for accepting something you can't prove exists. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.
  14. Krake

    Krake Flabebe's Kids

    I mean that they don't believe in a God, but join a religion in fear of a Hell.

    And why is it a weak reason?
  15. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    I believe he'll tell me for other things besides "truth".

    Every Christian I've spoken to. Every single one of them IRL that I've told that I was Atheist always give me the SAME response.

    "You're going to hell lol/I feel bad for you man."

    What's this an interpretation as? "Truth" or "Fear/Comfort"?

    If the FIRST thing you bring up to me is about my 'safety', then likely the first thing that comes to your mind about NOT believing is being safe.
    Just because it's a weak reason doesn't mean it's not what people are doing.

    I really doubt people would care if the hell/heaven part were removed.
  16. Pokemonwarrior

    Pokemonwarrior I Am Your Nightmare

    OK so now we are bashing the atheists now. And when we go to post something like this we get closed down/banned/get infractions and hear the crying and whining of a billion people of Jesus (over stating it but there are a lot).

    Let me ask you this does the world need more Christians?

    And for the poster to have a quote that states we atheist are good about spreading our thoughts and beliefs when in fact you do the same if not more.

    And for it to list things that people of faith do and then say we never do or inspire people to do great things when in fact if go here on wiki and if you try to un-perch yourself off your Jesus is good and all atheists are trash since they don't believe in any religion high horse and search Google you might just find that your wrong about us and we do as much for the world as you do we just don't put what we are in names of Schools or Hospitals.

    We are as good as you and I'm sorry to all the nonjudgmental religious members out there if this is abrasive and harsh but its not fair to have this posted and for the poster to post things that down us and say were are useless.

    I personally don't care what others believe in when it comes to religion just don't push it on me or down me for thinking and believing in what I do if you don't like it why should we.

    This is all I have to say I hope unless I have to defend it further.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
  17. pokemaster001

    pokemaster001 ....................

    this thread has no truer words than that, all the rest is crap
  18. Josiah

    Josiah is your favorite

    What do you call the is God still valid thread then?
  19. Pokemonwarrior

    Pokemonwarrior I Am Your Nightmare

    It has bad thoughts toward Christians which is bashing but the poster don't come out and say hey look all Atheists are basically worthless and do nothing for the world like this thread does. In the quoted part of the first post. Then state that we are like the The Soviet Union. But do we state you to be like lets say Hitler (Catholic but no one says anything about that) and his party.
    Last edited: Feb 27, 2009
  20. Auraninja

    Auraninja Try to understand.

    What the world needs is tolerable human beings and not ignorant people.

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