No, thunderblade, you don't get away with things that easily I'm afraid.
You cannot make posts that twist (and sometimes completely ignore) facts, then act as if said facts do not exist, and expect to get away with it.
Wouldn't try.
You can continue to act like you are ahead of the curve and smarter than everyone else
Because having an opinion on a cartoon makes one smart? I'm not trying.
because you're going against the majority opinion if you want
*Goth kid voice from South Park* Conformist.
but that doesn't give you license to cop out of the debate while making an uppity comment about the facts. They are based on what has happened, not "baseless implications"
Again, not doing that. Sceptile Lover said something Brandon allowing Torkoal to win in the first half of the battle. I don't recall anything similar to that being even remotely hinted at. I don't know if that's the "facts" you were talking about.
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People rate Charizard highly because of the wins it has accrued. Not because of some conspiracy, but because of absolute facts occurring over a 10-year(ish) period.
Nver said anything about a conspiracy.
You focus purely on the Articuno win and compare it to Torkoal's loss to Registeel, while ignoring Charizard's other vital wins - for example, KOing three of Gary's Pokemon while overcoming type advantage twice.
Yes, and then going on to lose to Harrison without defeating a single pokemon. For god sakes people, I'm not saying Charizard's weak. I'm saying the anime in general relies on plot power and EVERY one of Ash's pokemons' power is inconsitent and constantly fluctuating. Might as well consider them all equals if, for all we know, Totodile can come back and take down Darkrai or some crap.
And I realize I'm gonna hear the same thing I always here. "Charizard lost to Blaziken despite a type advantage because Ash didn't know anything about Hoenn pokemon." So? There are plenty of times when Ash's first encounter with a pokemon is when he's engaged in battle with it. He knows little more than what the Pokedex tells him about it. Same case here. Rhyperior and Magmortar are two pokemon Ash first met with in battle.
Ash checking Blaziken in the pokedex prior to battling it:
http://serebii.net/anime/pictures/johto/273ps9.shtml
It's just a fact that Charizard has more powerhouse performances than any of Ash's other Pokemon, apart from maybe Pikachu - but even Pikachu's big wins have been tempered by awful losses. Since it began to obey (putting it on an even footing with every other Pokemon you judge it alongside, to do otherwise is unfair), it has only lost to very powerful Pokemon.
I doubt Blaziken was so strong that it exceeds the power of THREE of Gary's pokemon. Charizard lost here to fit the plot, meaning he is no different from Pikachu or any of Ash's other pokemon. He can be powered-up or weakened severely to fit the needs of the plot.
I doubt Dusclops was an stronger than Brandon's Ninjask or Solrock. I mean, nothing was specifically said to lead us to believe it is. Does that put Bulbasaur and Squirtle on equal footing with Charizard?
Just out of interest thunderblade, why exactly do you think people rate 'zard so highly? A conspiracy? Because it looks cool? Or could it maybe, just maybe, be the fact that it has the most impressive victories of any of Ash's Pokemon?
1. It beat a legendary
2. It trains at the Charicific Valley
3. Nostalgia
Sorry to drag this back a bit off-topic but I just don't think someone can be allowed to have such a biased and unfair agenda, then try and wiggle out of it with some would-be superior idiocy.
What superior idiocy? If anyone seriously takes their "expertise" on a cartoon seriously enough to call themselves intelligent because of it, they're pathetic. If you mean the strong sarcasm I sometimes, I thought it was obvious that I was being playful (lack of a better word.)
And isn't "Charizard is a god and any saga that doesn't include it automatically sucks" a biased opinion? Or is that okay because it's an opinion you share?
Seriously, just end it here. I wasn't trying to get out of anything; I was ending an off topic discussion. However, sense you specifically addressed me I thought it'd be rude not to respond.
That would be amazing....but wouldnt happen. Base stat totals of 600 mean nothing in the animé, and the writers would treat it as such, if Gible loses to Shuckle vs Conway, it will still be able to hammer a better Garchomp into pieces. V Nice idea tho
People getting overemotional about why Ash wont win a league, what you have there has been stated over and over again by logical people (including you) and should be stickied. For Cyber.
Haha, and there was thunderblade telling me 'it will determine whether Satoshi will be champion or not.' ffs, I get lied to everywhere I go
IIRC I said it was a strong possibility, but never that it was confirmed.
