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Dragon Battle! Ash VS Iris!! (1154)

dman_dustin

Well-Known Member
You can’t even spell correctly in this post so don’t call me stupid. If you think Ash won this by his own merit that’s fine but don’t quote my posts about my own opinion especially when I wasn’t even being arrogant or aggressive about it.

You are aware that tablet digital keyboards suck and those are typos, right? I try to fix what I see but it doesn't always work. You have no idea how pissed I am about touchscreen keyboards that don't register properly.

On top of that I wasn't calling you specifically stupid. I was calling those who think Pokemon are the only factors (to hell with trainers) in battle.

I was using your post to point out Iris only focused on the Pokemon and not the trainer and have been infuriated people don't realize Pokemon and trainer affect a battle not just either or .
 
Didn't you watch DP? Counter shield is a tactic he developed in DP.
Ash comes up with crap during his battles, he doesn’t plan anything unless he loses the first time.

Ash would not have been able to pull off that combo if Iris hadn’t reenergized Dragonite through their talk. It was exhausted and damaged beforehand so learning a powerful move like Draco Meteor wouldnt have been possible given its state. Iris was responsible for its second life which allowed the combo to be possible.
 

Sham

These leaks have me distressed
You are aware that tablet digital keyboards suck and those are typos, right? I try to fix what I see but it doesn't always work. You have no idea how pissed I am about touchscreen keyboards that don't register properly.

On top of that I wasn't calling you specifically stupid. I was calling those who think Pokemon are the only factors (to hell with trainers) in battle.

I was using your post to point out Iris only focused on the Pokemon and not the trainer and have been infuriated people don't realize Pokemon and trainer affect a battle not just either or .
Ah, okay. I would like to point out that I don’t for certain think that Iris was the determining factor on if Ash won or not since there are too many variables. I do however think there is something to be said about her losing focus on the battle towards the end (focusing primarily on if Dragonite was having fun) and cheering Ash on to win the battle. I’ll keep my opinion to myself what I think to avoid the same 4 people quoting me but the writers taking the liberty to make Iris say those things definitely gave me a vibe. Ultimately it doesn’t matter if Iris screw herself over or not or just let Ash win because he did win and it was a fair battle.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
Well the Brazilian dub refers Ash's Dragonite as a female, ofc nothing official but it shows that a lot of people think that Ash's Dragonite can be female
Those Brazilians.
 

Almighty Zard

He has returned.
Ash comes up with crap during his battles, he doesn’t plan anything unless he loses the first time.

So did you stop watching the anime at some point, Ash was on a role for most of Kalos and Alola.

You expect me to believe that Ash wanted a damaged Dragonite to learn a new move on the spot just so he could win? That’s pokemon abuse and it doesn’t sit right with me.

now your just grasping at reasons to hate Ash.
 

dman_dustin

Well-Known Member
YOU BETTER FORCE YOURSELF TO LEARN A NEW MOVE WHILE YOURE DAMAGED BECAUSE I JUST THOUGHT OF THIS PLAN

And this is why Ash will never be a Pokémon master.

So ignoring your extreme bias, the solution for Ash was supposed to give up, not put his faith in his Pokemon, admit that his Pokemon are weak and throw in the towel just so Iris can beat Ash?
 
Ash comes up with crap during his battles, he doesn’t plan anything unless he loses the first time
Ash come up with it during battle, that is correct, and he come up with it before Iris talk to Dragonite. He is ready to execute it before Iris interject.

And yes, Ash is bad at pre-battle planning (team selection, not move tutoring) but he is superb at mid-battle planning.

Example of this is also about switching Dragonite with Dracovish. A lot of people said type advantage do not matter in anime but this battle show that Ash understand it. Happynite is at disadvantage against Ice Beam while Dracovish can withstand it due to Water Typing and it also has Ice Fang to counter Angrynite. Ash fully expect Iris to command Dragon Dive and perfectly craft mid-battle plan by locking him with Fishious Rend and deliver blank-point Ice Fang for finishing blow.

Ash would not have been able to pull off that combo if Iris hadn’t reenergized Dragonite through their talk. It was exhausted and damaged beforehand so learning a powerful move like Draco Meteor wouldnt have been possible given its state
It is exhausted and damaged before hand. Ash talk help Dragonite to ignore the exhaustion and damage.

Iris also notice that Dragonite seems to not have fun in battle (ironically that should be applied to Angrynite too). This is what was corrected by Iris.

Iris do not replenish Dragonite from exhaustion or heal from damage. Dragonite is still exhausted and damaged but it has ignore it since Ash give some talk.
 
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mehmeh1

Time to crunch some binomials......with magic
Why do people act like battle choreography doesn't matter? A battle can be well animated and tell a story at the same time - like Ash vs Paul, Ash vs Sawyer, Ash vs Clemont, Ash vs Alain and Ash vs Kukui. Why couldn't Ash vs Iris be on par with them?
While I wouldn't say this fight is on those tiers, it was still really well animated (and this is from someone who has been criticizing JN's animation a lot)
 
And this is why Ash will never be a Pokémon master.
This episode show why Ash is a champion level trainer.

He not only rely on mere fighting spirit and instinct like in his rookie days.

He also add the battle technique he developed in DP (whe missed this on SM).

He can tutor new move or combination to his pokemon.

He incorporate type advantage in his battle, even utilizing it for trap.
 

Watershuriken97

Well-Known Member
Of course this forum can end up with people insulting and theory/analyse gatekeeping over a fun episode like this, ash's problem solving is his biggest asset, its not abuse, it's not even necessarily planned ahead, it's quick and out of the box thinking... and even if it's neither or all of these, must we be "right" all the time...



Seeing iris return, and especially grown as a person was great, would have loved to see her reach champ/evolve... but I'm gonna enjoy what we got. The draco meteor was unexpected and looked great, dracovish needs some training but not bad for a first showing, wish he got a hit on haxorus tho. Volkner is nice to see, hope we get some more cool returns like a frontier/e4 soon. And dare i say, a loss for ash? Like 70 back to 90 or smt
 

TheWanderingMist

Paladin of the Snow Queen
Volkner is such a random choice.

Where the **** is PAUL????? Bring me back DP characters that matter
Where he belongs...banned from interacting with Pokemon once word finally got out of exactly what happened with Chimchar and reasonable authorities began looking into the matter.
I think the long haired one may be Sabrina
I hope so. She's my favorite Kanto one.
Sabrina would've likely turned all of her challengers into dolls after beating them.
No, no. Ash cured her of that. Unless Haunter left and she regressed.
From a beast Dragonite vs a newbie Dracovish. And the problem is that Angrynite was straight up slaughtering Happynite but then lost to Dracovish without landing a hit. We know that Dracovish is weaker than Happynite.
It's funny how similar this is to the Korrina battle in a lot of ways, with it being a 2 v 2 battle against a former traveling companion who realistically should have been stronger, but is somehow portrayed even weaker. Right down to Dragonite being the star in both battles. Obviously here it's a much bigger deal given the whole champion status and how much we'd seen Iris battle before though. Back when it happened with Korrina you could chalk it up as a fluke, but now it's obvious they've stopped caring about any sort of proper powerscaling. Not that it was ever truly consistent, but it's been completely thrown out the window now
Ah, yes, power scaling, which has definitely always been a thing in this anime and not just random all the time. Definitely.
And what would you want after that? Bonnie as the Kalos champion lmao.
Yes. It's what she deserves.
Iris and her Dragonite having different reactions to Dracovish was both cute in iris case and funny in dragonites.

i just wish i wasn't going to be mentally scarred now because of what Dracovish ended up doing, the thing is a playful deceptive vicious pokemon.
I wouldn't recommend the New Pokemon Snap then.
With one attack Dracovish is now apparently a champion level mon lol

I think there needs to be a official referee of the Unova league present, but that's just a guess of how it works.
No, no, don't you see? Cameron was secretly in the crowd, and by his logic, since he's from Unova, he is therefore an official referee, and since he was in the audience, he can declare Ash the new Champion.
I go to sleep for a few hours and came back to 15 Pages worth of Discussion?

Obvious Haxorus reveal was Obvious

So can we just all agree that Dragonite is Ash's Ace at this point? Because it certainly has done a LOT more work than Lucario has atm lmao

Also WOW that Volkner leak was actually legit? At least I was right about the Luxray merchandise not being Clemonts

Really curious about that girl behind Bea.
As much as I want it to be Sabrina that might open up a whole a can of worms regarding a certain Ghost Type Pokémon
I'm already mad about Ash getting Gengar when he should have just asked to borrow Haunter from Sabrina. And given it an Everstone, because Haunter is way cooler than Gengar.
I kind of felt the same way, but at the same time it seems like Dragonite was the better choice to win the match as a way to show off Iris’s Dragon Master skills. Dragonite has a closer bod with Ash than Dracovish does (at the moment), so it would make more sense for Iris to do her dragon mind meld thing with it to show how close Ash & Dragonite are during the final battle with Haxorus, who’s equally been as close with Iris
People are going to interpret that in the wrong way.
Stop attacking goes both way. If it was Paul instead of Ash, he will command Dragonite to attack while Iris busy talking. Note that before Iris talk, Ash already told Dragonite to prepare to show of their battle style (Goh confirmed that using Hurricane as shield is their battle style).

Now what you said is true in Angrynite vs Happynite. Angrynite stop attacking while Happynite kneeled down. That is holding back.
The DP rival would attack an opposing Pokemon even if it clearly wasn't capable of battling in any manner whatsoever (see: Chimchar).
While I wouldn't say this fight is on those tiers, it was still really well animated (and this is from someone who has been criticizing JN's animation a lot)
Anything is above the Sinnoh battle. Animation isn't worth anything if the story it's wasted on is horrible, abuse-glorifying garbage that denies the fundamental themes of the series and pretends like it's some grand "conflict of ideals".
 

RafaSceptile

Well-Known Member
Anything is above the Sinnoh battle. Animation isn't worth anything if the story it's wasted on is horrible, abuse-glorifying garbage that denies the fundamental themes of the series and pretends like it's some grand "conflict of ideals".
It would have worked if Paul actually had a punishment for the way he treated his Pokémon, especially Chimchar, but ofc that never happened.
 

Pokemon Fan

Knuckle Trainer
The problem is that if Iris didn't just start the PWC, the implication seems to mean that Volkner and Bea are stronger than her.
To be fair, in the games there is precedent for Gym Leaders in some regions being claimed to be stronger than Champions in other regions (recall the strength they use in gym battles is seldom their real strength). Namely Raihan is claimed to be strong enough to become another region's champion if he was willing to go for such a title outside Galar.

I want to say that this episode really did the "champion" title a disservice in the sense that Iris lost too easily/quickly compared to the power displayed by other champions, but then again from what I remember of the Unova series most of the trainers were not really all that impressive, including their Champion at the time (who sure won what battles we saw easily enough, but not in particularly impressive ways). So perhaps it makes sense that a Unova Champion can be ranked so low in the PWC.

Still, I think this battle would have been received more positively if Iris didn't have such a grand title attached to her all the sudden.
 
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