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Dragon Battle! Ash VS Iris!! (1154)

RafaSceptile

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Is this supposed to be an argument? People like the episode so the problems I have with it don't matter?
I'm not discussing with you since no matter what I said, your negativity is so strong that you will ignore anything good that I would say, so, this is not an "argument", just a comment
 

dman_dustin

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So I guess we've really just embraced the whole off-screen magic meme as legitimately good storytelling huh? I thought it was an elaborate joke we were all in on.

Yes because the show isn't a 24/7 live documrntary and as much as onscreen training/battling is preferred, this is primarily the Go show.
 
So ignoring your extreme bias, the solution for Ash was supposed to give up, not put his faith in his Pokemon, admit that his Pokemon are weak and throw in the towel just so Iris can beat Ash?
A strategy that requires your pokemon to learn a new move on the spot while its damaged is just selfish, reckless, and abusive. My point is that Ash isn’t the selfless type. I hope he gets it together someday.
 

Watershuriken97

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Is this supposed to be an argument? People like the episode so the problems I have with it don't matter?

I think he's just trying to say, take it easy, it's not an issue that others can enjoy what you can't... and frankly, your problems matter as little to them, as their appreciation for the episode matters to your view.... if ur gonna act butthurt, at least don't sound ignorant doing so
 

Power Up

There's light at the end of the tunnel
I'm not discussing with you since no matter what I said, your negativity is so strong that you will ignore anything good that I would say
I think you literally saw me amend my opinion on the animation of the episode literally within a day when I looked at it again? I'm not unamicable to having my mind changed lmao.
Yes because the show isn't a 24/7 live documrntary and as much as onscreen training/battling is preferred, this is primarily the Go show.
On-screen training episodes were literally a consistent staple of the anime. When have we decided to pretend they weren't?
 

RafaSceptile

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I think you literally saw me amend my opinion on the animation of the episode literally within a day when I looked at it again? I'm not unamicable to having my mind changed lmao.

On-screen training episodes were literally a consistent staple of the anime. When have we decided to pretend they weren't?
It never was a consistent staple of the anime as a 24/7 documentary
I think he's just trying to say, take it easy, it's not an issue that others can enjoy what you can't... and frankly, your problems matter as little to them, as their appreciation for the episode matters to your view.... if ur gonna act butthurt, at least don't sound ignorant doing so
Also this
 

Power Up

There's light at the end of the tunnel
I think he's just trying to say, take it easy, it's not an issue that others can enjoy what you can't... and frankly, your problems matter as little to them, as their appreciation for the episode matters to your view.... if ur gonna act butthurt, at least don't sound ignorant doing so
Ah yes, that's definitely what I've been arguing when that's essentially what the other poster has been implying for a while now lmao. Dude, I don't need to pretend that people share my values when it comes to the Pokemon anime nor have any of my arguments hinged on that. I am completely aware that my problems matter as much as other people share similar values as I do, but the problems I have do matter to me.

This really just reads like a post that is mad I have problems with the episode lmao. I'm sorry to anyone who is offended that I am negative on the episode, but I'm certainly not going to apologize for any of my opinions and if they've taken away from your enjoyment of the episode, I really, really don't care.
It never was a consistent staple of the anime as a 24/7 documentary

Also this
Nice strawman. Yes, that's what I've been advocating for and what was present in earlier anime, a 24/7 documentary.
 

Ryker101

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Tomioka can you just write the whole series at this point? Every episode of yours is an absolute banger. Seriously this one did so much right; cutting straight to the chase, Goh taking the backseat, BW flashbacks, Dragonite development, Dracovish getting his first win, Ash-Iris interactions. Drayden and Haxorus were also so cool to see (I remember wanting him to get a cameo, but he’s in the whole episode!). Iris was literally perfect here! She’s fierce, empathetic, knowledgeable but still childish. She and Ash have a great dynamic and as someone who wasn’t a fan of BW, she’s actually grown on me. I’d be keen to see her again in the future.

Like the Alola episode, they really jam-packed everything they could into this one. It had so many callbacks (including that cheeky best wishes reference at the end) and even teased us with Axew. I’m surprised Ash didn’t mention that he was champion as well during their quarrelling (after the you’re such a kid line when Iris mentions it); between this and the Alola episode I wonder if he’ll ever bring it up on his own. The actual battle was good, albeit it felt rushed with the knockouts (I guess it’s kinda accurate to the games though?) and the animation wasn’t awfully spectacular. I liked how it was both a battle but also a character building moment for Dragonite, and how there was some context as to how it learned Draco Meteor (Dragonite can influence the weather during battles and it was more intense this time, then it redirected dragon pulse pulse via hurricane). I guess it’s replaced hyper beam now.

Like a lot of episodes, it would’ve benefited from a two parter. But they knew what they were doing with this one. This is honestly the best way they could’ve used these 20 minutes and I had a blast watching it. Man, even the end scene was sick (was not expecting Volkner of all people). Really hope hyper class is handled well from here on out, cause he’s only 99 rn.
 

Power Up

There's light at the end of the tunnel
Since the writer sacrifice it for Goh.
On-screen training for Ash isn't necessarily contingent on Goh, but yeah, I'd assume more Ash focus with his team and building their relationships and training with them comes at the expense of Goh catching episodes?
 

RafaSceptile

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I wish Hyper Clash battle will be more than 2 vs 2 so we can have more of the battle and maybe spanning for more than 1 episode.
I can see the Hypet Class with at least 3vs3 Pokémon, but this still is very possible in a single episode, you need at least 4vs4 for almost a guaranteed 2 parter battle
 

Watershuriken97

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Is this supposed to be an argument? People like the episode so the problems I have with it don't matter?
Dude, I don't need to pretend that people share my values when it comes to the Pokemon anime nor have any of my arguments hinged on that. I am completely aware that my problems matter as much as other people share similar values as I do, but the problems I have do matter to me.
You clearly don't, but I'm not going to endlessly discuss this. It's fine if you hate this episode, give it a 0/10 i really don't care... but "dude" you can't say you know others don't care, and then repeat it matters to you, when my point was about that your caring doesn't matter to others? Like what?
Just discuss stuff in a civil manner...the condescending tone isn't needed. That's all i wantedto get across, "the take it easy" part n stuff (Feel free to respond with that i just sounded condescending as hell myself, or respond understanding and let's move on)
 

Power Up

There's light at the end of the tunnel
You clearly don't, but I'm not going to endlessly discuss this. It's fine if you hate this episode, give it a 0/10 i really don't care... but "dude" you can't say you know others don't care, and then repeat it matters to you, when my point was about that your caring doesn't matter to others? Like what?
Just discuss stuff in a civil manner...the condescending tone isn't needed. (Feel free to respond with that i just sounded condescending as hell myself, or respond understanding and let's move on)
Nothing I've said is contradictory. It's kind of whack that someone is telling me this after I've been both told to stop watching the anime directly and by implication several times just these past couple of days lol.

I'm completely aware that people disagree with me and share contrary opinions. I just said my opinions definitely matter to me. When I post my thoughts on an episode/series, the number one reason I'm doing is for myself so I can take the jumble of thoughts in my head and put it together in a coherent fashion that at least allows people to understand my values and where I'm coming from in how I approach the show I love.
 

AuraChannelerChris

"Tis an honor to be recognized."
Iris never felt like a threat. Haxorus and Pikachu didnt even interact. Satoshis battles in the PWC feel a bit too easy, hope the Hyper Class will shake things up a little.
Ash's next major opponent will tell him where the weak point for him to strike is at.
 
Got a chance to see the episode and overall, I enjoyed it. It's nice to see Iris (and Drayden) back after so long. Wish we were able to hear more specifics on Iris' progress/her own journey. But I don't think it was unreasonable to see her as the Unova Champion now given how the length of time that has taken place is the same amount of time Ash took to go through two regions and become runner-up in one league and winner in the other. It was also cool to see Haxorus finally evolved as well, especially since Axew expressed how much it wanted to evolve in BW.

Now just because Iris is a Champion now, I didn't think it was too crazy for Ash to beat her. Ash is a solid trainer in his own right and he's proven multiple times that he can battle with a new set of pokemon and still come out on top against some of the strongest trainers. Like I know there's a lot of discussion about how each of Ash's pokemon won but it didn't seem unusual after seeing the battle imo. Like Dracovish's win on Iris' Dragonite made sense given the context of Dragonite being trapped in Dracovish's jaw due to Fishious Rend and being totally caught off-guard, then hit with a super effective Ice Fang. And to be fair, this isn't the first time where Ash used a fresh/new-in-battle pokemon in an important match and came out successful (Krabby/Kingler in the Kanto League or Gible vs. Conway). At the end of the day, I'm glad we got to see Dracovish finally being used and also see what it potentially is capable of.

As for Dragonite vs. Haxorus, I didn't think Iris' whole thing with Dragonite was a major determining factor on Ash winning nor was it an example of Iris not giving her all (not sure where that came from). I just thought it was a moment to show the growth in her own skills of listening to the hearts of dragons. Like Ash's Dragonite still showed how much of a powerhouse it is. It survived a lot of hits and learned Draco Meteor in a way that involved one of my personal favorite Ash strategies: the counter shield.
 
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