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Duuuddee... Pass the blunt...

randomspot555

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry you feel that way. Are you saying that you agree with my position or not? You weren't really that clear. I'm going to guess you agree with me. I have no idea what you meant by "me! me! me! me! me!" logic. Perhaps you word your posts better next time.
Almost every position you take is based around what you personally think and how it specifically affects you. There is no other logic to your posts besides "I like it!" or "I don't like it".

The odor is a major negative externality of marijuana.
According to this logic, anything that has an odor that is a "major negative externality" should be made illegal, according to Internet User marioguy.

It's not really though is it.
It really isn't. I mean the scent can be strong if you're in a ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE smoking pot, or you're VERY CLOSE in proximity to one person (as in like, sitting next to eachother on the same couch). But if I had to choose between some high school aged teenage male who doesn't use deodorant, a cigarette smoker, or a pot smoker, I'd choose the pot smoker. That is a far less intrusive smell.
 
. It really isn't. I mean the scent can be strong if you're in a ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE smoking pot, or you're VERY CLOSE in proximity to one person (as in like, sitting next to eachother on the same couch). But if I had to choose between some high school aged teenage male who doesn't use deodorant, a cigarette smoker, or a pot smoker, I'd choose the pot smoker. That is a far less intrusive smell.
TBH given the vile stench given off by many of them, and the amount of deodorant that many teenagers (and above) smother themselves in, I'd chose the pot smoke (and hell, even cigarette smoke) over freshly sprayed males.

Irrelevant anyway, as weed smells pretty nice. Providing you smoke it pure of course.
 

kaiser soze

Reading ADWD
Almost every position you take is based around what you personally think and how it specifically affects you. There is no other logic to your posts besides "I like it!" or "I don't like it".
I have to agree with this. A lot of Marioguy's posts that I've seen are very biased and don't have any objectivity. Especially when they involve religion.
 

thunderblade12

Well-Known Member
I never understood why we're so intent on sticking our noses in other people's lives in the first place. If someone wants to partake in a behavior that can be potentially dangerous, let them. We try to act all concerned when it comes to certain things, but don't give a **** about the well being of others in other areas such as their financial well being (moneys to feed them chi'ren) or their supposed "equal rights."

That being said, I don't think anyone who wouldn't try weed illegally would pick up the habit if it were legalized tomorrow. I know I certainly wouldn't. Just like I know my friends who smoke pot wouldn't create a meth lab in their basement the day that was made legal.
 

Sadib

Time Lord Victorious
I have to agree with this. A lot of Marioguy's posts that I've seen are very biased and don't have any objectivity. Especially when they involve religion.
I shall not allow you to defame my name with your libelous lies! I'm completely unbiased and full objective when it comes to religion. If you're going to make a claim, you might want to back it up.
 

DJ Pon-3

Elite DJ
I never understood why we're so intent on sticking our noses in other people's lives in the first place. If someone wants to partake in a behavior that can be potentially dangerous, let them. We try to act all concerned when it comes to certain things, but don't give a **** about the well being of others in other areas such as their financial well being (moneys to feed them chi'ren) or their supposed "equal rights."

That being said, I don't think anyone who wouldn't try weed illegally would pick up the habit if it were legalized tomorrow. I know I certainly wouldn't. Just like I know my friends who smoke pot wouldn't create a meth lab in their basement the day that was made legal.

It's about time I found someone who has the same mindset as me.
 

Grei

not the color
I shall not allow you to defame my name with your libelous lies! I'm completely unbiased and full objective when it comes to religion. If you're going to make a claim, you might want to back it up.
You should make it a separate debate thread, then. "Is marioguy good at debating?" :p
 

DarkraiMiestro

something or other
No way, it can kill people easily.

Tobacco is bad enough
 

Ohshi

Banned from Club Penguin
Yes, vices are bad stuff. But do we ban everything that can negatively impact someone's well being? Does that expand to junk food? Soda? Vehicle use? Smart phones?

This is hardly a rebuttal. Is it good to add one more vice to the people?

This is a clear indicator that the War on Drugs is a failure. We've spent BILLIONS of dollars, money that could've been spent on improving our crumbling bridges and roads, our failing schools, or any number of other uses, and instead we spent it on banning a substance that has resulted in the drug being just as easy, if not easier than ever, to obtain.

Proof please. I will get back to you with my own proof if you provide your own. I have to ask my friend who already did a report on that.

You're operating under the assumption that it being illegal has deterred use. It clearly has not. If you legalize it, you at least take the stigma off it and allow a legal distribution to combat the illegal distribution.

I never assumed that. I still believe that even if it was legally distributed, it still is not good for society. The vices that already legally distributed (tobacco and alcohol) are already not good for society. But oh well.
Replies in bold.

Clearly, the rest of your so called "rebuttals" are just saying "Ok, since marijuana is bad we might as well ban other things that are bad."
No, that is not the point. You admit marijuana is bad. So why make it legal then?
I already know there is already bad stuff that is legal, but does it really help to make another bad thing legal?

Keep in mind I am not completely arguing against your side. In my first post of this thread, I did mention that marijuana should be legal as it would act as a beneficial economic market and the wonderful potential of hemp as fabric and paper. I am just curious if there more good points for the legalization and good rebuttals to the points I stated.
 
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randomspot555

Well-Known Member
Replies in bold.
I'm not going to bother replying to this because honestly, doing it in Bold and in my quoted post makes it hard for me to reply to.

Clearly, the rest of your so called "rebuttals" are just saying "Ok, since marijuana is bad we might as well ban other things that are bad."
No, that is not the point. You admit marijuana is bad. So why make it legal then?
Because I don't believe it's the government's role to micromanage and decide on what is legal and what is not just because something may be bad due to improper use. That does not have a logical basis on banning or not because we already allow a ton of vices that are FAR less regulated than alcohol and tobacco and there's NEVER an attempt at banning them. There are people who drink their life away and do nothing worthwhile, and guess what, there's some college nerd who has cut off all contact with the world because he's playing World of Warcraft all day and living off junk food. But how many laws do

What it comes down to is do we want the government to dictate to us, law abiding citizens, what we can and can't enjoy in the privacy of our own homes and in properly permitted establishments. Do we want politicians and bureaucrats to use their own personal moral compass to say X is bad and should be banned, but Y is a-okay because they enjoy it?

And it's important to stress that legalization or even the decriminalization of pot or other drugs doesn't mean people will be shooting up heroin in the streets or in school yards. Just like tobacco and alcohol have regulations, so can pot. The key is they have to be sensible regulations that take into consideration why it's being banned or restricted in that area. Schools will obviously have an interest in banning any substance that can cause a disruption to the learning environment, regardless of their legality, and they have access to security and law enforcement to enforce these policies. Bars, that by virtue of being bars only serve adults, arne't the epitome of good health in the first place and should be allowed to make their own decisions on legal products like tobacco use and, if it ever becomes legal again, marijuana.

We should be treating drug abuse (because simply using marijuana or any illicit drug isn't automatically abuse) just like we do with tobacco abuse and alcohol abuse and video game addiction and fast food addiction and addictions to porn and so many other addictions and abuses: as a disease that can be cured.
 

DarkraiMiestro

something or other
Marijuana should not be legal, even though its effects are not as bad as tobacco, it is more addictive for the percentage of people who smoke both. It causes the same kind of diseases as tobacco, and one being legal is one too many. Drugs are the cause of millions of deaths every year, and they should not be used by anyone.
 

DarkraiMiestro

something or other
Am I even any good at this debating stuff?
 

DarkraiMiestro

something or other
I guess it is a matter of peoples opinion. But when you look at places like Amsterdam where they have ''brown cafes'' where they sell big ol' blunts legally that you don't get sent to jail for smoking them, you would wonder about marijuana. My mum was on holiday there before I was born and she told me that there were loads of people outside smoking marijuana, but they were all tourists. She avoided them all, making sure not to smell the smoke. But none of the locals smoke marijuana, it is all tourists trying to make themselves look cool. One of them that my mum seen fainted after smoking too much marijuana. I think it is very sad that marijuana-legal cafes are one of the biggest tourist attractions in all of Amsterdam. I would never allow it to be legal anywhere, and them places are a terrible example.
 

ChedWick

Well-Known Member
Replies in bold.

Clearly, the rest of your so called "rebuttals" are just saying "Ok, since marijuana is bad we might as well ban other things that are bad."
No, that is not the point. You admit marijuana is bad. So why make it legal then?
I already know there is already bad stuff that is legal, but does it really help to make another bad thing legal?
Stop replying in bolded text for one. It makes refuting everything you say that much more difficult and just because people ignore the bolds does not make you right.


Marijuana has its pros and cons but its not your moral responsibility to dictate what others can and can't do with a substance that when used responsibly has benefits that greatly outweigh the cons.

Am I even any good at this debating stuff?
No, because the only thing you got right was that drugs kill millions of people.


I guess it is a matter of peoples opinion. But when you look at places like Amsterdam where they have ''brown cafes'' where they sell big ol' blunts legally that you don't get sent to jail for smoking them, you would wonder about marijuana. My mum was on holiday there before I was born and she told me that there were loads of people outside smoking marijuana, but they were all tourists. She avoided them all, making sure not to smell the smoke. But none of the locals smoke marijuana, it is all tourists trying to make themselves look cool. One of them that my mum seen fainted after smoking too much marijuana. I think it is very sad that marijuana-legal cafes are one of the biggest tourist attractions in all of Amsterdam. I would never allow it to be legal anywhere, and them places are a terrible example.
Yea the bolded text is pretty much the only valid thing you typed.
 
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randomspot555

Well-Known Member
Marijuana should not be legal, even though its effects are not as bad as tobacco, it is more addictive for the percentage of people who smoke both.
I'd love to see a source for it being "more addictive" than tobacco.

It causes the same kind of diseases as tobacco,
I'd like to see the source for this too.

I guess it is a matter of peoples opinion. But when you look at places like Amsterdam where they have ''brown cafes'' where they sell big ol' blunts legally that you don't get sent to jail for smoking them, you would wonder about marijuana. My mum was on holiday there before I was born and she told me that there were loads of people outside smoking marijuana, but they were all tourists. She avoided them all, making sure not to smell the smoke. But none of the locals smoke marijuana, it is all tourists trying to make themselves look cool. One of them that my mum seen fainted after smoking too much marijuana. I think it is very sad that marijuana-legal cafes are one of the biggest tourist attractions in all of Amsterdam. I would never allow it to be legal anywhere, and them places are a terrible example.
$10 says your mom smoked some pot when she was in Amsterdam and she purposely left that out so as to raise you with an anti-drug belief.
 

DarkraiMiestro

something or other
I'd love to see a source for it being "more addictive" than tobacco.






$10 says your mom smoked some pot when she was in Amsterdam and she purposely left that out so as to raise you with an anti-drug belief.
No, she is the most anti-drugs person in the world, she said she never went near any of them ''brown cafes''
And I am on another forum and a bunch of people there smoke tobacco and marijuana, they all say that marijuana is way more addictive.
 
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DarkraiMiestro

something or other
They both cause oral cancer and gum diseases.
 
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