I'm not denying that marijuana has medicinal uses. I'm just saying that the vast majority of the pro-marijuana group don't care about that. They don't have cancer, they just want to get high. And if we do legalize medical marijuana, as 14 states and Washington, D.C. already have, its a guarantee we will see an upshot in people having
"chronic pains" or using it for "stress relief".
But some people do have cancer and would use it alongside chemo.
While I agree that people lie about needing it medically is a stupid thing, I think it's more of the medical system not doing better to prevent people from abusing the system.
Do you realize the War on Drugs is international and targets more than just marijuana, right? Legalizing marijuana won't stop the war on drugs, and if it does lower the cost of the WoD it won't be a huge difference at all. The U.S. gives hundreds of millions of dollars to Colombia alone, and Colombia isn't distributing marijuana, it's mostly exporting cocaine. If we make marijuana legal, we still have to help Colombia with cocaine. And that's just one example.
So what you are saying here is that we shouldn't legalize because there will still be a war on drugs?
Because that is exactly the case. There will still be enforcement on drugs, but that does not mean that they can't take out one of the drugs that they currently enforce.
And yes, black market distribution of marijuana will go down, but it won't stop altogether. The proposed tax on marijuana (the one that would "fix" the economy) is $50. You know as well as I do that people won't want to pay $50 to get high, so there will still be black market sales of marijuana. And just because someone is non-violent doesn't mean they aren't a criminal. That's ridiculous. Prisons are full of robbers, embezzlers, etc. Do you remember Bernard Madoff? How about Rod Blagojevich? Neither of them committed acts of violence, but do you consider them criminals?
Where did you see that it would be $50? Also, if you think about it, people buying alcohol or cigarettes for minor could be considered black market, too.
Robbers and embezzlers are in jail for stealing and fraud, among other things. What crime do weed smokers commit besides harming themselves (I'm not completely denying that smoking weed does have some negatives here, by the way)? People already harm themselves with cigarettes, alcohol, fast food, and all kinds of other things.
Ok, even if coming up with new regulations doesn't take long, it will still be a pain to enforce. It's easier for the DEA when everything about marijuana falls under the umbrella of "illegal". If heavier types of marijuana are illegal, etc, the DEA has a harder time because it has to investigate, test the sample, and more before it can tell if the weed is illegal or not. So it won't save time for the DEA.
Again, you are saying that weed should stay illegal because it would be inconvenient for some people?
Because marajuana is easy to grow which would make it harder for the government to make money off of it. Tobacco is pretty hard to keep alive.
It seems to work for some countries/states.
So wait,
Drinking alcohol is for personal enjoyment too, right?
But when does personal enjoyment end and where does the severe risk factor take over?
Every time you smoke/take a swig, you risk the lives of those around you. Likely because you are going to do something stupid. Like get behind the wheel of a car while drunk or high and kill a innocent driver on the highway. Because for what? PERSONAL ENJOYMENT? Kinda f**ked up bro.
Driving while high is not that bad. People should not do it while high regardless (I don't; I wait until I come down), but it's not as endangering as alcohol.
It's very easy to grow taxing wouldnt work well unless they kept it illegal to grow. Then I can see someone driving to a handy store and buys a pack like they would cigarattes, and gets high on the way home and boom he thought the minivan was a giant hot dog and starts chasing it and dies in a crash or kills others.
You would have to have some pretty strong weed (or some edibles) to be seeing sh
it like that with weed.
Back on topic!!!: So saw some pretty invalid arguements... Marijuana causing car crashes? How about alcohol causing car crashes? Guess what alcohol is legal and yet does that stop it from being illegal, well than i guess cars should be illegal -_-'
See what I did there?
Adding to this, people can even die from car crashes without controlled substances.
If marijuana is legalized, why not just legalize cocaine and heroin too? There are TONS of people who snort cocaine and shoot up heroin, just like there are tons of people who smoke marijuana. Combined, the money from legal sales would be through the roof.
Sure, marijuana's harmful effects take much longer to show up than the 'hard drugs', but it's still a drug nonetheless.
You also cannot back this up with 'marijuana usage isn't an addiction', because that is just complete nonsense. If you have the urge to get high, and cannot stop thinking about it until you do, to me, that is considered addiction. I'm sure there are tons of people who chase the high from marijuana, just like there are people who chase the high from the hard drugs.
I, myself, am 100% against the legalization of any drug.
First of all, that is a slippery slope. Just because we support legalization, doesn't mean that we support the legalization of other drugs.
Second of all, while I won't deny that marijuana can have some addictive properties, it doesn't cause any of the side effects that cigarettes and other drugs cause. It's more of a mental craving, and even then, I personally find it easy to get over.
Medical Drugs = Save lives
Street Drugs = Do barely any good for you.
If you get behind a wheel of a fucking car while high off your ass, chances are you are going to hurt someone.
I agree; neither should be legal. But come on, even ALCOHOL has more benefits than Marijuana does. Or better yet, any hard street drug.
Please back this up. I would much like to know how exactly they are safer.
Just because you say so doesn't over ride the medical facts. I have examined countless medical textbooks (parent is a doctor) and I have observed that being high = drunk. Basically the same thing, just caused by a different chemical.
Being drunk is definitely different than being high. I know because I've been both. While getting high is more instant, getting drunk is more gradual, not to mention you have worse motor skills while drunk, whereas when you are high, you usually have slower reflexes.
i don't support drug use in any way. so i don't want it legal
and iirc i think the gov made it illegal because they couldn't tax it.In English they couldn't make money off it
Among other things. There was also a smear campaign against it.
It'd be like pouring a water bottle on an fully grown oak tree in an attempt to satisfy it. It would help some; I've heard the number $7 billion (annually, correct me if I'm completely wrong, though) thrown around, but by no means would it "get rid of the debt" of around $14 trillion. The result would be pretty negligible and not really effective enough to use as a reason to legalize it.
That doesn't mean that we can't at least consider it.
Let's face it, not any one thing will fix our debt, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't invest in something that could give billions in revenue.
I'll go more in depth with my argument another time, since right now, I have to get ready for work.
EDIT: adding this quickly
Why do we even need drugs anyway? All they do is hurt you. There's no significant "help" factor involved with any of these drugs, including Weed. there is nothing weed can do that a regular pharmaceutical drug can't.
That's stupid. "We already have drugs for what weed can do, so we shouldn't legalize it?" People can have allergies to drugs, not to mention experience side effects or possible overdose. Even if that weren't the case, that doesn't mean that we can't invest in some more medicinal products.