Earthquake Problem

[Humph...]

You see, I have a metagross and a dragonite that need to know earthquake, but i only have one earthquake that i *coughtrickedawaycoughfrommycoughbrothercough* got. Since I only have ONE earthquake and leveling up my pickupers to 91 will take some time, Who should i teach earthquake to? My metagross already knows rock slide, and i planned to teach dragonite brick break before i got my earthquake

Here's the rest of their MS's:
Metagross
Meteor Mash
Rock Slide
Explosion
Agility

Dragonite
Wing Attack
Brick break
Outrage
Dragon Dance

 

[ellie]

Well, if this is Emerald, you can always get another from Pickup if you have a Pokemon that knows it at lvl 91 or above. If you can't get another, it looks to me like Dragonite would need it more.

 

[leafgreen386]

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Teach the Metagross EQ over either Rock Slide or Agility. If you replace Agility, give it a Choice Band to hold. If you replace Rock Slide, give it Leftovers.

As for Dragonite, give it Substitute/Focus Punch/T-Bolt/Ice Beam. You could also use Dragon Claw and Flamethrower over T-Bolt and IB.

 

[Protoman.EXE]

Hmm...you know,I like both of those pokemon,but I think Metagross because it's
more powerful in type.(Dragon moves have little effect on steel pokemon.But..you probably knew that already LOL!)

 

[leafgreen386]

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I really hope your sig is sarcasm Protoman.EXE, because that was a very stupid comment, showing you actually know very little about battling. You may have given the correct pokemon, but for the wrong reason. When you want to decide which pokemon is better for a TM, you can't look at it as if they were battling each other, and you also must take all of their possible moves into account if you decide to do that. You must look at their effectiveness against other pokes. Dragonite is a bad Salamence as far as CBing and DDing goes - people use it for the SubPunchBoltBeamer (or SubPunchFlameClaw) set. That is what it excells at. If you really wanted to compare them by having them battle Dragonite would likely win, as if a Dragonite had a Dragon type move (which it obviously does in your scenario), it would also likely have a Fire type move with it (generally Flamethrower but sometimes Fire Blast), meaning that 1 vs. 1, a Dragonite would actually be more likely to beat a Metagross, but it wouldn't be using EQ on that set. Ever. This does not make Dragonite better than Metagross. You can't compare them. They are two completely different pokes, and have two completely different uses.

Btw, for the Dragonite set I gave, use Leftovers.

 

[Protoman.EXE]

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I really hope your sig is sarcasm Protoman.EXE, because that was a very stupid comment, showing you actually know very little about battling. You may have given the correct pokemon, but for the wrong reason. When you want to decide which pokemon is better for a TM, you can't look at it as if they were battling each other, and you also must take all of their possible moves into account if you decide to do that. You must look at their effectiveness against other pokes. Dragonite is a bad Salamence as far as CBing and DDing goes - people use it for the SubPunchBoltBeamer (or SubPunchFlameClaw) set. That is what it excells at. If you really wanted to compare them by having them battle Dragonite would likely win, as if a Dragonite had a Dragon type move (which it obviously does in your scenario), it would also likely have a Fire type move with it (generally Flamethrower but sometimes Fire Blast), meaning that 1 vs. 1, a Dragonite would actually be more likely to beat a Metagross, but it wouldn't be using EQ on that set. Ever. This does not make Dragonite better than Metagross. You can't compare them. They are two completely different pokes, and have two completely different uses.

Btw, for the Dragonite set I gave, use Leftovers.

Heh heh.Yeah.It's sarcasm.I know.Dumb,but sorta funny..in a weird way.You know,I never thought of it that way.And,hey,have YOU played any MegaMan
games?I'd kick your *** in a fight with my BN 5 Colonel version!I beat the final
boss 45 times in a row without changing Mega!Beat THAT!If you own the game,anyway..But,hey.Maybe I'll teach Earthquake to my Metta!(Metagross)

 

[Humph...]

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I really hope your sig is sarcasm Protoman.EXE, because that was a very stupid comment, showing you actually know very little about battling. You may have given the correct pokemon, but for the wrong reason. When you want to decide which pokemon is better for a TM, you can't look at it as if they were battling each other, and you also must take all of their possible moves into account if you decide to do that. You must look at their effectiveness against other pokes. Dragonite is a bad Salamence as far as CBing and DDing goes - people use it for the SubPunchBoltBeamer (or SubPunchFlameClaw) set. That is what it excells at. If you really wanted to compare them by having them battle Dragonite would likely win, as if a Dragonite had a Dragon type move (which it obviously does in your scenario), it would also likely have a Fire type move with it (generally Flamethrower but sometimes Fire Blast), meaning that 1 vs. 1, a Dragonite would actually be more likely to beat a Metagross, but it wouldn't be using EQ on that set. Ever. This does not make Dragonite better than Metagross. You can't compare them. They are two completely different pokes, and have two completely different uses.

Btw, for the Dragonite set I gave, use Leftovers.

Well, is that set for in-game, competitive, or both? I'm apparently using dragonite for the BF in the battle tower, battle dome, and the battle arena. No, i'm not trying to compare them, i'm just seeing which one would need earthquake more in certain circumstances.

 

[ShadowAlakazam]

Well, is that set for in-game, competitive, or both? I'm apparently using dragonite for the BF in the battle tower, battle dome, and the battle arena. No, i'm not trying to compare them, i'm just seeing which one would need earthquake more in certain circumstances.

Never for in-game =) Leafgreen always gives good movesets, I should say. It can be used for battle tower pretty good, since the BT people are dumb and dont know why you got a sub up, and get focus punched. Pretty effective. For competitive battling, the subpunching dragonite is pretty good if you got a sub up on the switch in. Then you can manage to pull off a nice punch. If you face a gengar/dusclops you can use the other support moves like the thunderbolt/ice beam combo, which doesnt have a bad effectiveness on single types. CBgross always hits hard with meteor mash when pokes switch in. 405 attack stat + choice band + STAB + 100 base power ... Just use meteor mash. If you see a water, EQ then. if you got hit, switch it out until its safe to come in again to go BOOM on your opponent. That will take out like 1 pokemon with explosion, 4 if your successful, but i doubt a little, since most people can hit metagross a little bit, and though metagross can take a hit it cant absorb them like a regirock being tackled. Good flamethrowers bring it down to 65% i expect. That is the cue to blow up/switch out since the next flamethrower brings you to 20%, and the next turn you go second to a houndoom, which will flamethrower for the KO.

For your earthquake, i rather save the trouble of getting lvl91 linoones, I would restart for it, and you could train your metagross/dragonite along the way.

 

[leafgreen386]

Sorry for confusing you. The huge paragraph I typed up there was aimed at Protoman.EXE. The sentence saying to use Leftovers on Dragonite was directed at you, however.

I assumed for Link battles, as you had Wing Atk on Dragonite instead of Aerial Ace, but you should be able to pull that off in the BF too. Just don't try using a SubPuncher in the... Battle Arena, I think it is (whichever is the one where you can't choose your own poke's moves). The probability of the poke using it right is very slim.

If you don't like the idea of having to train another poke up just for the Battle Arena, you could probably give Dragonite EQ>Outrage, which seriously needs replacing, as Dragon Claw is so much better, but is still just plain stupid on a DDer, as DD boosts Atk, while Dragon is a Special type. You could then use Aerial Ace>Wing Atk, because otherwise all of the BF's Double Teamers will kill you. Although Metagross kinda hurts without EQ, I think it'll do for the BF.

 

[Humph...]

it's the battle palace where pokemon's moves are based on their nature. I'm using drag for the battle arena. One thing though: I'm also using typhlosion, another common subpuncher. Since dragonite can probably survive without subpunching, and that could be slightly risky in the battle arena, I think I'll give it this:

DD
Wing Attack
Dragon Claw
Earthquake

I'll use a special for this one because the rest of my team mainly focus on attack, like my meta, tyranitar, and swampert, and drag is the only one in my team where it can use both physical and special moves effectively. My team will get a big dent in it with something like a kingler or crawdaunt.
And like leafgreen, metagross can survive the BF with rock slide

 

[leafgreen386]

If you don't like pokemon with Double Team killing you, you'll use Aerial Ace>Wing Atk. Also, if you want to hit the high Def pokes, you could use Thunderbolt/Flamethrower>Dragon Claw as you seem to fear the water oriented ones, but it seems most of them are Steel. Then again, I don't play the BF very much. [/hopes you haven't made the changes yet]

Btw, you wouldn't mind posting the rest of your team, would you?

 

[Humph...]

I've posted my team some time ago in the in-game RMT section, and i'll probably revive it, so you leafgreen, you can check there some time later to reduce spam. Thanks for the advice!
Is anybody sure Earthquake>Brick Break on Dragonite?

 

[PKMNMaster]

Depends. Brick Break does easily cut from defences such as Reflect but Earthquake has more attack. Your choice, you either destroy the defences and knock the other Pokemon out with a boom or you can go for the approach, "LETS GET IT ON!".

 

[vcbdtm]

for me,i will teach earthquake to metagross first...

 

[Protoman.EXE]

Maybe,you could teach it to both of 'em if ya can find another TM26!

 

[Liminality]

If you have both Pokémon on your team, consider which you use the most and how knowing Earthquake could give it an advantage. Giving Dragonite Earthquake over Wing Attack would give it a benefit when battling Electric Pokémon, unlike Metagross who's (as far as I remember, haven't played one in a while) Steel type and thus strong to Electric.. I think. >_> Gosh, I'm rusty.. That's just my opinion.

 

[leafgreen386]

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uh...

Dragonite isn't weak to Electric in the first place, because of its Dragon typing, and Electric resists Steel, while being neutral to Steel on offence.

I've posted my team some time ago in the in-game RMT section, and i'll probably revive it, so you leafgreen, you can check there some time later to reduce spam. Thanks for the advice!

If you give me the link, I'd be glad to check it out.

 

[Cooltrainer Rip]

Since I only have ONE earthquake and leveling up my pickupers to 91 will take some time,

Sorry for going slightly off topic, but does the level-up pickup thingy only apply in emerald or does it work in sapphire too?

 

[Humph...]

If you give me the link, I'd be glad to check it out.

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=99219Right here

Sorry for going slightly off topic, but does the level-up pickup thingy only apply in emerald or does it work in sapphire too?

Sorry, only in emerald.

 

[Liminality]

Dragonite isn't weak to Electric in the first place, because of its Dragon typing, and Electric resists Steel, while being neutral to Steel on offence.

I never said Dragonite was weak to Electric, but that having Earthquake would improve its offensive moves vs. an Electric Pokemon, unlike having Wing Attack.