BobbbidyBob
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Haven’t watched the ep yet, does it connect to the PWC in any way?
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Elite Four Wikstrom! The House of Chivalry (1145)
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FatBigachu
Well-Known Member
Did I miss something? What makes them unhappy about this episode?
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
Meh episode. Imagine if we saw Kalos Ash take on Wikstrom, Talonflame would destroy. Liked seeing Dedenne.
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
The Problem with Pokémon Journeys
Note: This is just my opinion.
When I first heard about Journeys, my opinion on it was negative. After flip flopping and actually thinking that Journeys was going to be good, my opinion remains the same.
I will give props to Journeys for showcasing off the world of Pokémon, which is what the series is supposed to be about, but even then Kanto is shown more times than all of the other regions combined, which is an issue in itself. I like Goh as a character but he’s not the biggest problem for me in this series. The biggest problem to me is Ash.
As the main character of the show for almost 25 years, Ash is a shell of his former self and has been since SM began, but Journeys manages to sideline his character even more. Ash is participating in PWC battles, most of which are one on one. Plus, Lucario got so much more screentime compared to the others. There wasn’t a PWC battle in twelve episodes, which is a lot. Ash’s character is stale because it doesn’t feel like he is the main focus anymore since him and Goh are dual protagonists. The show is so episodic and because it doesn’t have a plot, that comes back to bite it. It feels like the anime doesn’t care about Ash anymore, and I don’t even know what the heck Pokémon is going to do with him when the series is over. I’ve heard people saying that this is Ash’s last series but I doubt that’s going to happen. If it does he’ll probably just be replaced with Goh. With Ash’s returning companions, we’ll see how that goes with Gary and Iris but considering how they smushed the Alola one into one episode and had Korrina return but having it be crammed into one episode as well and NO MENTION OF XY, it’s not looking good. There are some of Ash’s Pokémon dying to be used and he hasn’t used them at all, I’m talking about Incineroar, Torterra, Greninja...
This Pokémon series is also more focused on kids, which I don’t like. We want to see Ash grow and progress, and he is not doing that here. It’s painfully obvious that Gens 1-6 Ash is a different character from Gens 7-8 Ash, so much that I will say that they exist in different universes. In one universe is an iteration of the Ash we all know and love from the end of XY, and the other one is the Ash that keeps the Gens 1-6 information but is a different Ash and is the one we see in Journeys. Picture it like an overlapping timeline so to speak. It really tells us that Ash’s journey as a main character was better off ending at XY. It would be a perfect time for him to win the League, marry Serena and have their kid be the next protagonist with a timeskip. It would have been a satisfactory ending for many and Ash and Pikachu can still be on the show, plus as the franchise was at its 20th anniversary, this would have added even more fuel to the fire as it would have the main protagonist growing up with the original target audience in the 90s, and let a new generation step in. But they didn’t do that, and it looks like that implicates a disastrous result.
The only reason I am still watching Journeys is to see Cramorant get an episode (an appearance in Secrets of the Jungle/Coco isn’t enough) as it's my favorite Pokémon and it would fit right in with Journeys, maybe even as a Team Rocket Pokémon. This series has also ruined Team Rocket, they can’t even catch their own Pokémon and have to have a stupid Rocket Prize Master (which was good at the start, but now they need their own Pokémon).
TLDR: The anime is becoming more childlike than ever and I hate it.
Note: This is just my opinion.
When I first heard about Journeys, my opinion on it was negative. After flip flopping and actually thinking that Journeys was going to be good, my opinion remains the same.
I will give props to Journeys for showcasing off the world of Pokémon, which is what the series is supposed to be about, but even then Kanto is shown more times than all of the other regions combined, which is an issue in itself. I like Goh as a character but he’s not the biggest problem for me in this series. The biggest problem to me is Ash.
As the main character of the show for almost 25 years, Ash is a shell of his former self and has been since SM began, but Journeys manages to sideline his character even more. Ash is participating in PWC battles, most of which are one on one. Plus, Lucario got so much more screentime compared to the others. There wasn’t a PWC battle in twelve episodes, which is a lot. Ash’s character is stale because it doesn’t feel like he is the main focus anymore since him and Goh are dual protagonists. The show is so episodic and because it doesn’t have a plot, that comes back to bite it. It feels like the anime doesn’t care about Ash anymore, and I don’t even know what the heck Pokémon is going to do with him when the series is over. I’ve heard people saying that this is Ash’s last series but I doubt that’s going to happen. If it does he’ll probably just be replaced with Goh. With Ash’s returning companions, we’ll see how that goes with Gary and Iris but considering how they smushed the Alola one into one episode and had Korrina return but having it be crammed into one episode as well and NO MENTION OF XY, it’s not looking good. There are some of Ash’s Pokémon dying to be used and he hasn’t used them at all, I’m talking about Incineroar, Torterra, Greninja...
This Pokémon series is also more focused on kids, which I don’t like. We want to see Ash grow and progress, and he is not doing that here. It’s painfully obvious that Gens 1-6 Ash is a different character from Gens 7-8 Ash, so much that I will say that they exist in different universes. In one universe is an iteration of the Ash we all know and love from the end of XY, and the other one is the Ash that keeps the Gens 1-6 information but is a different Ash and is the one we see in Journeys. Picture it like an overlapping timeline so to speak. It really tells us that Ash’s journey as a main character was better off ending at XY. It would be a perfect time for him to win the League, marry Serena and have their kid be the next protagonist with a timeskip. It would have been a satisfactory ending for many and Ash and Pikachu can still be on the show, plus as the franchise was at its 20th anniversary, this would have added even more fuel to the fire as it would have the main protagonist growing up with the original target audience in the 90s, and let a new generation step in. But they didn’t do that, and it looks like that implicates a disastrous result.
The only reason I am still watching Journeys is to see Cramorant get an episode (an appearance in Secrets of the Jungle/Coco isn’t enough) as it's my favorite Pokémon and it would fit right in with Journeys, maybe even as a Team Rocket Pokémon. This series has also ruined Team Rocket, they can’t even catch their own Pokémon and have to have a stupid Rocket Prize Master (which was good at the start, but now they need their own Pokémon).
TLDR: The anime is becoming more childlike than ever and I hate it.
Genetic_Hawk
Pikachu! KIMI NI KIME TAA
Can u pls explain
cricketlaxwolvesbandy
Summoning...
Just in from like its debut to DD
Genetic_Hawk
Pikachu! KIMI NI KIME TAA
DD arc-spammed aura sphere 4 times and did aura conversation with ash for a bleep second
Mewtwo ep - did showcase performance with cinderace
Kamonegi trials- was in picture of battle montage
Suicune- did nothing significant onscreen other than usimg 1 aura sphere
Messon- did not appeae
Today's ep-did not appear
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Wikstrom mocks all the people into trading evolution by showing off his machine that is so anti-trading evolution.
Then the question now is why he has that when none of his Pokemon evolve through "trading."
Then the question now is why he has that when none of his Pokemon evolve through "trading."
mehmeh1
Not thinking twice!
I mean he does have that M-Scizor
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
Which doesn't exist as far as the main "plot" is concerned. We would have seen it already.
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
Hey look! A new episode soon with a potentially Farfetch'd evolution!!
Can we now stop to critizise Goh "taken Ash's screentime and development" when he is another protagonist PLEASE?!
Can we now stop to critizise Goh "taken Ash's screentime and development" when he is another protagonist PLEASE?!
Ragnarok4
2024
Dephender already said, Twitter was a mistake
Spider-Phoenix
#ChespinGang
Fun episode. Training episodes are always entertaining and to be honest I'd say they balanced the screentime of both boys fairly well. It still felt like an Ash episode since it picked from the previous Farfetch'd training episode and continue. I'm really surprised that the duck still haven't evolved but I like they are taking their sweet time to build up for when that finally happens. I'd say Farfetch'd is being handled better than Lucario so far but I guess it makes sense since it doesn't seems like a mandate capture like the jackal was.
Wikstrom proved himself a fairly fun E4. He doesn't have the "holier than thou" thing most of them have and allows himself to be a hammy weirdo. Also, his training for the boys seemed fair enough even if one could argue that one day wouldn't be enough.
All in all good episode.
As well as that time Ash jumped into the volcano.
It's the third time the kids' threw himself on Kalos. Watch someone makes a joke about having a death wish
You probably know already but it's Detect.
I'm really glad I figured as soon as I see it. A quick google on Bulbapedia confirm it.
Ok, NOW that one was funny.
Wikstrom proved himself a fairly fun E4. He doesn't have the "holier than thou" thing most of them have and allows himself to be a hammy weirdo. Also, his training for the boys seemed fair enough even if one could argue that one day wouldn't be enough.
All in all good episode.
As well as that time Ash jumped into the volcano.
It's the third time the kids' threw himself on Kalos. Watch someone makes a joke about having a death wish
You probably know already but it's Detect.
I'm really glad I figured as soon as I see it. A quick google on Bulbapedia confirm it.
Ok, NOW that one was funny.
Jibanyan
Well-Known Member
This episode was great wtf why people are complaining? It was pretty intense, something I haven't feel since Torracat vs Incineroar, Farfecth's is Ash's best current Pokemon, and it actually has an arc and Scyther is pretty cool and it deserved to evolve. the music was also good in this episode.
janejane6178
Kaleido Star FOREVER in my heart <3
Poor Defenne
AuraChannelerChris
Easygoing Luxray.
The inconsistency that is Ash's side learning a new move with hard work while at the same time Goh catches and evolves at the speed of a mating Ditto with effortless work. If Ash had a brain an inch larger, he'd notice something is amiss here.
RafaSceptile
Well-Known Member
I don't see complains about Jessie's Gourgeist evolving efortless. I can see the bias here.
Mr.Munchlax
Great Ball Rank Trainer
Wow, even Goh admitted he hasn't taken Scyther out much lately