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Emboar Discussion

Discussion in 'Older Gens' started by HolyNova Lucario, Nov 22, 2012.

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  1. HolyNova Lucario

    HolyNova Lucario 明るい日中

    Some people say that Emboar sucks and is a walking Bacon, but I disagree because sure Emboar doesn't have disarable speed but it has pretty desent stats. Not only it has wicked Hp it also has a high attack stat, It's hp backs up for it's defense and it also has pretty average Sp.attack. It is a very versatile Pokemon because it's the 'only' fire type pokemon that can learn a water type move which is scald, with it's sp.attack it can take down a Rhyperior or Hippowdon with one clean hit with knowing the scald.:500:
     
  2. Emboar is easily one of the scariest Pokemon to have to face down the barrel of in NU. Even Alomomola, who should in theory be a perfect answer to Emboar with its Water typing and extremely high special bulk, is 2HKOd by a CB Wild Charge. Usually the best time to beat it safely is to play around with resistances and pray that you're not up against a mixed set when predicting a Choice set. Its bulk is also pretty useful for switching in and out of stuff, although this is hindered a bit by the fact that Emboar often runs recoil moves like Flare Blitz and Wild Charge.
     
  3. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    when emboar is going to get reckless expect to se him a bit more in NU he is quite good specially scarfer I wonder if he is going to get to RU with reckless in OU he is not viable terrakion and infernape are fasterand have better movepools..
    I remmeber back then in 2010 when unique pokemon disscussion threads were running an emboar thread reached a page 5 with a disscussion of an user "emboar rocks" that strongly claimed he was "teh best" then most of the forum just proved him wrong.. he isn't really good in OU.. NU is his home.

    So what if emboar can use scald it is not going to 0HKO hippowdon (hippowdon have a massive HP stat) and super power already 2 or 0HKOes rhyperior.
     
  4. Eaglehawk

    Eaglehawk Banned

    Emboar can't really venture out anywhere else instead of NU. It has a slight niche as a wallbreaker and a Sceptile resist in RU. I've been toying around with sets, and this set pops up as a pretty useful set in the metagame right now.

    Emboar@Leftovers
    Adamant/Blaze
    252 HP/252 Att/4 SpDef
    -Substitute
    -Flare Blitz
    -Wild Charge
    -Superpower

    It uses Emboar's decent survivability to create a buffer against the tiers offensive threats and and a status blocker against the tier's defensive threats.
     
  5. MugoUrth

    MugoUrth Bibarel's adorable.

    EMBOAR IS SLOW! THEREFORE USELESS! STOP TRYING TO MAKE HIS EXSISTANCE SEEM EVEN REMOTELY JUSTIFIABLE YOU TARD!

    ...

    ...Yes, that was a joke. That's basically all I've heard about Emboar here in Serebii is that it's slow, therefore useless. Honestly, I really like it's great power and diverse movepool. It's actually pretty good in-game. Plus, it could probably be of more use in a doubles battle where Trick Room is more common than in a single battle.
     
  6. Makaveli

    Makaveli Gone for Good.

    Ingame=/= Competitive. And there is better pokemon to abuse under trickroom than Emboar. Stuff like Curse Ferrothorn, Marowak, Reuni, etc. Emboar will shine more in whatever tier it is when reckless is released.
     
  7. MugoUrth

    MugoUrth Bibarel's adorable.

    I'd still rather use Emboar over those Pokemon, earnestly. I just think it's dumb that some people refuse to look beyond it's slow speed.
     
  8. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    Sadly, it's a combination of speed and it's low defenses. It's bulk is fine, thanks to it's HP, but not enough bulk to justify it's poor speed, since it's not a complete tank.

    Though, with a choice scarf, it could really sponge a lot of recoil from Flare Blitz thanks to it's high HP, and probably work well on a sun team.

    Trick room also sounds like a decent option, though. Especially with Hammer Arm.
     
  9. drizzleboy12

    drizzleboy12 2nd VGC MA regional

    In double battle he also sucks... He is countered by every common poke in the metagame.
     
  10. MugoUrth

    MugoUrth Bibarel's adorable.

    I just dislike how people refuse to see any good in it's battling. There are things it can do, but no one cares cause "It's slow."
     
  11. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    Slow frail and suicidical*
    OH and he can (and should) use scarf.. to attack before being attacked.. he have like.. only recoil moves so..
     
  12. Zachmac

    Zachmac Crystalline Guardian

    Did Drizzleboy even say anything about its speed stat?

    And Surf and Earthquake(especially earthquake) are extremely common in double battles, so it's really difficult for any fire type to be all that good there.

    If you really want trick room, there is still always rotation battles.
    But a lot of HP to withstand recoil to.

    Technically, anything that has only attack moves and a life orb only has recoil moves if you really think about it.
     
  13. MetalFlygon08

    MetalFlygon08 Haters Gonna Hate

    Well a plus, with Recoil moves, he can get a last ditch Flare Blitz off with Blaze to KO somthing.
     
  14. HRRlion

    HRRlion 2795 4358 7025

    The problem with Emboar is his low speed, it really holds him back. And even though he has high HP, his weak defences make that useless, so he's stuck between going slow and hoping to survive with lots of hp to try max speed but it's still not fast enough.
     
  15. Blue Harvest

    Blue Harvest Banned

    Is it really so hard to understand that Emboar sucks not just because he's slow, but because he is so horribly frail? Its HP and Defenses are not impressive... only about 25% more durable than Honchkrow. This is nullified by the fact that almost all of its moves have some sort of horrible side effect. Flare Blitz, Superpower, head Smash, Wild Charge, etc. Normally this would be passable if it could land its blows and OHKO the opponent without taking a hit like Infernape but when you are frail, slow, and can't even fix it with Shell Smash, Spore, etc it just combines to be a shitty Pokemon.

    Having terrible speed does not make you bad if you can back it up with bulk. But in general if you do not have either speed, or bulk you are useless. Also don't make me laugh, Emboar is godawful in Doubles / Triples. How long do you think it will last in the "Surf / Earthquake" tier when all of its primary moves hits just one Pokemon and it is outrun and OHKOed by basically everything. Saying "Its good in Trick Room" is sort of a BS defense because Trick Room itself is pretty shitty (it is good in doubles / triples, but Emboar isn't). I mean I guess you could run Emboar in doubles with Trick Room support but why not run something like Rhyperior or Chandelure who are actually useful when not under Trick Room.

    tl;dr Emboar sucks not just because of its speed but also because of its terrible bulk and movepool. Infernape is better, Victini is better... even Entei is better. In-game does not equal competitive.
     
  16. Angeltripper

    Angeltripper ♥ Ace ♥

    the reason why he is not in OU is his terrible speed. other then that, he is pretty good. reckless + Head Smash OHKOs almost anything not resisting it too
     
  17. Kyro13

    Kyro13 Banned

    He IS viable.. Just not in any tier other than NU.. He has low speed, BUT he also relies mostly on recoil moves, though that will be helped with Reckless.

    Also, he's outclassed. If a lot of faster, stronger, physical attackers didn't exist, Emboar may get some of the limelight, but they do, so yeah.
     
  18. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    He is not THAT terrible he can be a scarfer or a wall breaker in NU it have good moves flare blitz can beat tangela and amungoos superpower beats lickylicky and that pink thing.. chansey like.. thing and also the steel/rocks in NU he is good against those pokemons and he is a great scarfer if not againts other scarfers. It is really powerful in NU other scarfers can't switch to him but outside of NU (and maybe RU ) he is outclassed.. and not that powerful.
     
  19. HolyNova Lucario

    HolyNova Lucario 明るい日中

    You sorta make a good point but why is that when my Emboar takes on a Salamence, that's right a Salamence it can take it down with one hit and manage to knock out a Hippowden as well in a row holding just a sitrus berry. If you were to have a battle without super effective moves Emboar can be decent in some way. It's to do with how you use it. GOSH! :mad:
     
  20. HRRlion

    HRRlion 2795 4358 7025

    You can't quote ONE instance and claim that because of it, Emboar is amazing and awesome and etc. Besides, Im pretty sure outrage from a Salamence would knock out Emboar.

    252Atk Life Orb Salamence (+Atk) Outrage vs 252HP/0Def Emboar (+Def): 87% - 103% (373 - 439 HP).
    Add in entry hazards and Emboar's screwed.
     
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