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Enter Elesa, Electrifying Gym Leader! (710

Discussion in 'Pokémon Black & White - Rival Destinies' started by Serebii, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    I was expecting it since seeing Flare Blitz in the preview.
  2. playerking

    playerking Sick of dealing with idiots.

    So Oshawott lost? What the hell? I'm annoyed now.
  3. Fairplay

    Fairplay Well-Known Member

    lol woot? Mijumaru lost. And Flaire Blitz? Damn her father is truely strong. So Satoshi lost.
  4. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Why? I was expecting it...

    Thing is evolved and must be like level 50 against a level 20 or so.
  5. playerking

    playerking Sick of dealing with idiots.

    What the hell? Really? Oshawott had the advantage and Bianca lost, Oshawott should have won that. And levels have nothing to do with it.
  6. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Lol they don't? then if Satoshi uses Scraggy against Boufalant he will win...

    Her father probably traveled as a trainer that thing must be on Infernape level or something, by levels I mean its much stronger, so Tepig will beat a Serperior now at this point of the anime due to type advatange?

    Anyway great episode, character development for Belle, the fights were nice, a good fight for Oshawott even though he lost.

    Really enjoyed the episode.
  7. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    I really disliked this episode.

    Not only do the writer continue to portray Bianca as the worst trainer to ever appear in the anime.

    Ash also lost.

    I mean what the hell, really who ever wrote this should be ashamed of themselves. I don't care if it had a "happy" ending, the odds were unfairly stacked against Bianca and Ash, it was ridiculous.
  8. wildheart90

    wildheart90 Awesome

    games =/= anime

    i was expecting oshawott to win due to all its development, type advantage and due to the Daruma line has been frequently used as the "fall line" though the series.
  9. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    No that is just for you taste from a writing perspective it wasn't a bad episode, I think Pignite should have won/draw and that was their only error imo, the rest was acceptable and understandable.

    The happy ending was part of the development and was pretty good.

    Oh I also didn't like that Satoshi went to the fountain again at the start of the episode ;O.

    One thing I wanted to see and it probably happened due to blurryness I didn't see it, did Darmanitan use any psichich attack?
  10. playerking

    playerking Sick of dealing with idiots.

    We don't know that. For all we know, Darmanitan could have been new. So with the plot of the episode, Ash really should have won. A draw would've been nice at least, but nooooo.
  11. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Problem is even if we don't know that, the dude got in a freakin adventurer outfit just for the battle, he liked to battle too aka he has experience and due to adventurer outfit we can assume that.

    We are in the 4th gym, Oshawott is not a beast yet to beat an evolved pokemon, that even though he had type advantage was probably a lot stronger then him.

    He changed his opinion by seeing the pashion her daughter and Satoshi have for being trainers, that was a much better ending writing wise then him just winning and him changing his opinion, OK you won she stays...

    That is about as bad as people who suggest when Pikachu finally beats Krokorok if it doesn't have an owner the thing should just walk away.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2011
  12. playerking

    playerking Sick of dealing with idiots.

    So, his love for battles could be recent, plus Oshawott is strong, it could of taken out and evolved Pokemon. It's not like evolved Pokemon are the strongest of the strong, they could still be weak for all we know.

    And since it was because Bianca's father noticed that, even though he should already know that since Bianca already beat 2/3(?) gyms already and she has 3 Pokemon. It was obvious Bianca wanted to be a trainer. Also, what's the point of the battle and Ash loss, if, Bianca's dad only got convinced in a couple of minutes of more convincing. Plus I think Oshawott deserved another win.

    Also, Ash put himself going back to Pallet town on the line. So I think he should have won.
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2011
  13. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    That is a long stretch while what I say is plausible and reasonable, problem is its diferent to beat a wild Scraft or Mandibuzz, instead of a trainer Darmanitan, even though you wanted it to win like it or not it wasn't a BS loss and is acceptable.

    He knew that but he didn't accept it, till he saw it with his own eyes...that happens in so many animes, we see villans and even masters respecting their student/enemy wtv due to their pashion.

    Unless you go get your examples in Bleach or Fairy Tail which are a river ********.
  14. shac

    shac Well-Known Member

    I don't think a single attack has been spammed like that in an episode ever. When even Darmantian fired up for flame-charge, I was like WTH??
  15. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Lool yeah, I was like another Flamecharge XD, I guess its their family "special" attack or something.
  16. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    No it wasn't, let's just go through what happened.

    Bianca and Ash want to challenge gym leader- Okay

    Ash and Co, and Bianca run into her father- Okay

    Bianca's Dad wants Bianca to come home- Okay

    Bianca says that if she beats Elesa she can do what she wants and if she loses she'll come with him and apparently stop being a trainer- Okay

    Bianca not beating a single Pokemon of Elesa's- NOT OKAY AT ALL, next episode as we know Palpitoad beats Zebstrika, how in the hell is Palpitoad stronger than the Zebra that didn't even take hardly any damage at all from Bianca's Pokemon and curbstomped her into oblivion? Unless the condition was she just HAD to beat ONE single Pokemon of Elesa's it was completely unacceptable. They could've easily had Pignite beat or even TIE with Zebstrika, and if Pignite one, could've been one shotted from Emolga's aerial ace or other possible flying moves. Moving on.....

    Before Bianca and her father leave, Cilan wants to make them lunch- Okay

    Iris somehow convinces Ash to be a nice guy and fight for Bianca- Okay

    Ash takes the chance of him losing that he would be sent back to Pallet Town, and if he won Bianca can do what she wants- Okay

    Oshawott sending itself out to fight- Was okay, until the outcome and Oshawott has only itself to blame

    Ash being completely obliterated, not finding very many openings- Not Okay

    Ash seemingly getting his groove back and losing- Not Okay At All.

    Because of the whole friendship spiel, Bianca's dad decides to let Ash off the hook and let's his daughter do what she wants- What the hell were they thinking? I mean my goodness, was the Friendship Spiel THAT important that both Bianca and Ash had to lose without actually even having a chanve.

    Like I said the odds were way too stacked against Bianca and Ash, it wasn't even realistic, in any way shape or form. I mean where's the struggle, where's the "OH is he going to do it, or isn't he?" But no, apparently Bianca's dad is some Elite Four member of some region we haven't heard of. And Bianca's skill as a trainer, is the equivalent to a Sunkern that only knows splash.

    Bianca and Ash had absolutely no shot at winning their matches, in any way shape or form. And apparently friendship spiel is far more important than someone's life. Because they just took Ash's and Bianca's life goals and shoved it up their rear ends, and the only resolution that came from this episode, was because of all the good things they remembered being together.

    Thank you Pokemon, you just implied to many children that they can't help friends when their in trouble with their own skills and talents but don't worry if you reminisce about it, the problem magically goes away.

    Oh but then again this a cartoon. The cartoon some times do have not very good messages. How many times have I seen, someone's life close to being flushed down the toilet, only for some aspect of the whole situation, somehow making the "Villain" be a nice guy and just say figuratively "Just Kidding" with a punch to the arm. Were are the jerk people, who no matter what happens, takes the ultimatum to heart?
  17. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Haha that is the moral you took from the episode? well its explained then :D.

    On another note, you need to link me to your fanfiction dman, you said you were writing one if you can link me to it, I would appreciate(if you are posting it online).
  18. playerking

    playerking Sick of dealing with idiots.

    Yes but, wild Pokemon could be as strong as trained Pokemon, because as I said, we don't know how long Bianca's Dad has had Darmanitan for. But for Bianca and Ash to lose, even under the circumstance, then yeah, I think Oshawott losing was unnecessary.

    Yes but that's Bianca's dad's fault. He should know that after she won gym battles, and after she battled Elesa, that she liked being a trainer. Then all it took would be Ash beating Bianca's Dad, yet Ash still lost and Bianca's dad changed his mine in a matter of minutes.
  19. Pepsi_Plunge

    Pepsi_Plunge Dojyaaa~~aan

    Bottom line is I said this before, people can dislike some decision, I disliked Pignite losing but we can't deem that as bad writing(I know you didn't say that).
  20. dman_dustin

    dman_dustin Well-Known Member

    The fanfiction that I reference from time to time, is my own personal fan fiction.

    I don't really think I'll be posting it ever online, I might, but I still have to finish Hoenn (Already did Sinnoh), start and finish Johto, start and finish Kanto, Start and finish a filler saga, start and finish Unova (which is where it will end). Yeah, it's not going to be on the internet any time soon, especially since I have to edit it and fix storylines, make it more cohesive and better written.

    Blah, Blah, Blah.


    Why can't we? Even though our opinions might mean jack squat in the end, we can still call it bad writing from an opinion perspective.

    I mean how many critics tell you such and such movie sucked, or the movie rocked their socks off, and how many put stock in their word and watch or avoid depending on their reviews.

    Likewise with songs, games, and other media formats, the only one who can determine if it's any good or not is the person who watches, reads, or listens to it.

    Now okay, if by "Bad Writing" you mean some English (I have no idea what the equivalent to English class is in other countries) Teacher would give you an F, or D because of this story. Okay, fine, I'm sure some scholar out there would find this story to be decent.

    But from a child's point of view, or a viewer's point of view, it was pretty bad writing, simply because basically all your hopes and dreams nearly went down the toilet, only for it to be magically be resolved because of memories of friendship. Hell if it was me, and I made some ultimatum like that. I would keep to the ultimatum, even if I didn't have to. I put my life goals on the line, I lost, I should accept the consequences.

    That's why it's bad writing, because Ash risked everything and he lost. It doesn't matter if he got to stay in the end, or Bianca got to do what she want, that's completely moot.

    The point is Ash didn't have to risk everything for Bianca, but he risked everything because he believed Bianca should make a life choice herself, not her father. Yes maybe her father wanted what's best for her, blah, blah, blah, but it's not like Bianca was doing something destructive, obviously judging by how apparently good Bianca's father was.

    So Ash risked everything, his hopes and dreams, on the idea that Bianca should do what she wants, and her father should just accept her for who she is. And he lost. Now, granted, some countries have some culture thing attached where you can dishonor your family by choosing to do something your "father" doesn't want you to do. But put cultures aside, and go for the most basic human factor here.

    I just hate seeing all those times where Heroes succeeded because they believed in themselves and people believed in them only to be contradicted by some honor rule saying that "Your Father has the final say in the matter."

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