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Evolution VS. Creation

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by evolutionrex, Sep 7, 2010.

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Which do you believe in?

  1. The Theory Of Evolution

    130 vote(s)
    73.9%
  2. Creationism

    46 vote(s)
    26.1%
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  1. ebilly99

    ebilly99 Americanreigon champ

    Creation should be taught in science and also why it can not be possible. First teach that the earth is 6000 years old, then explain why that cant be. By the time they are done creationist will demand that creation be taken out of school.
     
  2. glacialcat

    glacialcat Well-Known Member

    A few things

    1) That there exists two sides is simply incorrect. There are many, many, many forms of creationism. Intelligent Design, Christian creationism, Islamic, Raelian, etc. Even within intelligent design (or Christian creationism, intelligent design is directly descended from Christian creationism) there are different versions. Flat Earth, Geocentrists, Young Earth, Old Earth, and there's many kinds of Old Earth. If you begin teaching creationism in biology classes you will literally spend the entire class giving equal time to all these theories. And each one is just as possible as others, so you can't really argue only teaching one.

    2) Evolution isn't science? What? What is science then? The main things that make something science are: Falsifiability, testability, and ability to make useful predictions. Evolution fits every single one of these criteria.

    As for celebitrainer's belief that evolution should not be mandatory.... I nearly agree. If Biology as a whole isn't mandatory. If students don't have to take biology at all, sure. Don't make evolution mandatory, since there won't be any classes to teach it in that are mandatory.

    But if Biology is mandatory, then evolution simply must be taught. "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution." Teaching biology without teaching evolution is feasible, but only so far that teaching chemistry without teaching the Periodic Table is feasible. Only so far as teaching nuclear physics without teaching the atomic model is feasible. Without evolution biology is nothing but memorization of facts without a central idea connecting or explaining them.
     
  3. bee.

    bee. cutee

    Creation all the way!

    Most people might argue with my beliefs, but I guess I can't help but believe that one day we will be rewarded for just being a good person, and that there's a higher being out there watching over us..

    Just getting my 2 cents worth
     
  4. ebilly99

    ebilly99 Americanreigon champ

    Good bee. Lets teach creation... But which on. I am found of the norse creation story. Is that cool? how about pastatarism? Pirates and humans share 100% of our dna. Also as soon as pirates died out global temp rose. Is that not proof that the fsm loves pirates and created them first?
     
  5. evolutionrex

    evolutionrex The Awesome Atheist

    I'm pretty sure he was talking about creation.
     
  6. glacialcat

    glacialcat Well-Known Member

    Ah, that makes sense. I was unsure what he was responding to, and I sort of assumed the worst.

    My first point still stands, but I apologize for the misunderstanding.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2010
  7. kanika1710

    kanika1710 New Member

    The popular media often portrays the creation vs. evolution debate as science vs. religion, with creation being religious and evolution being scientific. Unfortunately, if you don't agree with this label, you too are labeled. Regardless of whether you're a creationist or an evolutionist, if you disagree with the stereotype, you're condemned and "exposed" as a religious fanatic who is secretly trying to pass religion off as science or, even worse, trying to disprove science in order to redeem a ridiculous, unscientific, religious worldview. The fact is neither model of origins has been established beyond a reasonable doubt (otherwise, the theory of evolution wouldn't be called the "theory" of evolution). Whether we like to admit it or not, those of us who subscribe to the theory of evolution do so by faith. And while the recognition of design in biology may have theological implications, it is not based upon religious premise - it's based upon empirical observation and logic.
     
  8. Eloi

    Eloi Well-Known Member

    Is it sad that the poor 'bot can generate a better argument than some on here?
     
  9. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Actually, Evolution has. That's why it IS called a theory. Try learning what a scientific theory is first. It's not the same in popular usage.

    Show me it.
     
  10. Megaton666

    Megaton666 Swampert Trainer

    right... and the same goes for the Theory of Gravity, Theory of Atoms, Theory of Relativity, and Theory of Music.

    I agree with GhostAnime, learn what a theory is before you try debating about it!
     
  11. I just need to ask one thing here:
    Why did you quote Eloi's post and say I was the one who posted it? The second one was mine, but the first message you quoted was posted by Eloi, not me.
     
  12. Rasolgon

    Rasolgon Member

    I hope you are a troll.

    Anyway, these threads are pointless since religious people will always try to find some argument to counter a scientific fact. Even if it makes no sense. And when they are out of arguments they will spew out things like "But God loves us". Funny thing: most of these people are Americans. Not saying it's all off them but there sure are a lot.
    Thank God for Europe. (Pun intended) Sane Americans, don't feel offended, I'm not talking about you, I like you for being sane in a country of people who desperately try to hold on to a medieval concept.
     
  13. Magiclapras

    Magiclapras Dragon Goddess Flyder

    Evolution for me. But in all honesty, it's like the chicken/egg argument, there's no right or wrong answer.
     
  14. Masterge77

    Masterge77 Floatzel rules!

    Both, I believe God created evolution, thus, it's a tie between the two.....
     
  15. J.T.

    J.T. ಠ_ಠ

    Oops. I rewrote the link to direct to the post Eloi made, and I must've forgotten to rewrite the name of the quotee. Sorry.

    Hmm, I wonder why that might be? Could it be because there is a staggering amount of evidence from many different areas of science for evolution and that by denying that evolution happened you are calling fields such as chemistry, botany, paleontology, geology, and embryology, not to mention one of the most important parts of biology, into equal questioning?

    We are fully aware that creationists don't have problems with every area of science. The problem is that there are many that they do have problems with.

    Failure. "Theory" is used in a scientific sense much differently than how we use the word in everyday usage. Theory as most people use it would mean something closer to "hypothesis" or "reasonable guess". In science, though, it means something for which there is a ridiculous amount of evidence. Hence why we have things like the theory of gravity. Good luck discounting that because it's "just a theory".

    Oh hey, thanks for telling me why I believe what I do! God knows you know why better than I do. I believe in evolution because staggering amounts of evidence point towards it being the reason different species developed on Earth. Tell me what part of that requires blind faith in the religious sense.

    Agreeing with GA here. Let's see some of this "empirical observation and logic". I have a feeling I know exactly what this is gonna be, but eh.
     
  16. Neo Duality

    Neo Duality Banned

    That's a bot, J.T.

    A bot.
     
  17. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    That tends to happen when bots make better arguments than humans!
     
  18. Mankanshoku Mako

    Mankanshoku Mako Well-Known Member

    More likely someone who utterly fails at debating. On another note, I somewhat surprised evolution has about 3 times as many votes as creationism. I kind of expected your average pokemon fan to fall into the category of moderate Christian, but here I find myself pleasently surprised.
     
  19. Ohshi

    Ohshi Banned from Club Penguin

    I believe in the Theory of Evolution. But I also believe that God created evolution.
     
  20. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Proof that Pokemon makes people more likely to believe in Evolution because Pokemon evolve!
     
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