Empoleon Bonaparte
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The world could work very well without religion.
Humankind has always needed, and will continue to need religion of some sorts.
The world could work very well without religion.
Humankind has always needed, and will continue to need religion of some sorts.
perhaps i should have said that differently, the world could work well without believing in God.Humankind has always needed, and will continue to need religion of some sorts.
Are you sure you're not conflating religion with belief here? Hospitals and psychologists might indeed recommend spirituality to help someone recover, but that does not need to fall under the guise of religion.Yes. Definately, I must emphasize this. Humanity needs religion. Even if we deviate from one religion, we'll just make another one. Even if we don't call it a religion anymore, it will be one.
Are you sure you're not conflating religion with belief here? Hospitals and psychologists might indeed recommend spirituality to help someone recover, but that does not need to fall under the guise of religion.
I hear this argument all the time, that people need religion. But this is certainly not a case for the individual; atheism proves that people as individuals do not need religion so why should this not be true for the group? Yes, religion can be a psychological crutch for the down-trodden but it does not need to be the only one. Perhaps it is the most widespread and easiest now, but to say that mankind will always need it doesn't really seem true to me.
perhaps i should have said that differently, the world could work well without believing in God.
Oh, okay I get you now, and I actually agree with you. However the need I think you are referring to is one of needing confirmation and knowledge. The Greek sceptics talked about this very phenomenon (I think it was them, should really be revising that haha) I believe that in todays day and age we can satisfy that need through science and philosophy and other diciplines. I agree that if we did crash back to square one we would see religion being formed again.I should say, humanity, when congregated, is prone to develop religion, so I inferred from this that religion satisfies some natural need of ours, hence we "need" religion, not that religion should inherently exist for no reason, but that it is an instinctual creation of us that satisfies our humane needs.
I believe that in todays day and age we can satisfy that need through science and philosophy and other diciplines. I agree that if we did crash back to square one we would see religion being formed again.
Oh, okay I get you now, and I actually agree with you. However the need I think you are referring to is one of needing confirmation and knowledge. The Greek stoics talked about this very phenomenon (I think it was them, should really be revising that haha) I believe that in todays day and age we can satisfy that need through science and philosophy and other diciplines. I agree that if we did crash back to square one we would see religion being formed again.
When i say "my opinion" it means i don't expect anyone to believe it, i was stating my thoughts on religion. In my opinion, i think people should try to save the earth instead of praying to what i believe is false hope, they should get out their and do something about it.Well, I read the post. I read the paragraph. I read the sentence. I read the paragraph again. I read the post again. I could honestly only interpret this one way.
So people shouldn't express their opinion because you don't agree with it? Every opinion is valid, regardless of your feelings toward it. Every opinion can benefit a conversation, even if it's only to make your opinion look better =P Please tell me I misinterpreted this. For my sanity's sake, please.
Do i really need to be that specific? Jeez. What i meant to say was that the world could work well without the belief of any kind of God(s).So in other words, you believe the world would work well without monotheism. Monotheism is the projection of having a king, a single ruling party, which often exists in real life, onto religion, which, like we said, will exist.
Oops, did I write Sotics? Sorry, my bad, I meant to say Sceptics. Have a look at the Greek sceptics and their philosophies. In the very basic way that I remember their philosophy, they emphasised a state of uncertainty where the desire for knowledge (which they saw as a necessary and noble but often lamentable part of the human condition) is replaced by instead a feeling that such knowledge is actually impossible to attain (though not for lack of trying), and so they actually found a sort of spiritual happiness not through supplying themselves with dogmatic beliefs (their word, not mine) but rather through their own belief (a non-dogmatic one I should add) that such dogmatic beliefs were all equally bad and thus no confirmation was possible but was by this point unnecessary.
Essentially they stated that mankind desired information and confirmation and knowledge in order to be happy, but then nimbly sidestepped this problem by stating that such was impossible and simple surpressing their desire.
Do i really need to be that specific? Jeez. What i meant to say was that the world could work well without the belief of any kind of God(s).
Let's turn that statement around? What makes you think slavery and stoning of witches is immoral and homosexuality is ok? On what do you base these claims?
ShinySandshrew said:Jesus forgives gays of their sin. Any and all. God let's everyone come to Him for salvation without having to change their behavior. They don't have to clean up their act to get saved. That doesn't mean He wants them to stay in the same state as when they were unsaved. On the contrary, Ephesians 2:3 and Titus 3:3 say that we should not commit the sins that we committed before we were saved.
ShinySandshrew said:
ShinySandshrew said:No, not one act of defiance, sin nature. Everyone born of man has one and suffers from one. Thus, everyone deserves Hell
now you lost me, you posted about some Pokemon being based on religion, what's your point?Yes, you do, or otherwise your statement is inaccurate. Is it that weird to be corrected in the Debate Forum? Did you see my posts about how Pokemon are based on ancient Gods of old? We would not have the Weather Trio had not someone worshipped (and later demonized) the Behemoth, Leviathan, or Ziz, we would not have Arceus without the creator god in Shinto; nor anthropomorphism of the sun and the moon in Solrock and Lunatone, or even in general; or even the idea of spirits or monsters in general. Simple shapes originated as symbols of worship, such as pentagrams and Pikachu's tail, which is the shape of the Sig Rune, a symbol of the Norse lightning God, Odin.
Without using the brain to make religion, I wonder if it would have ever been used to make logic - or imagination? Fiction is just rife with religious motifs to peel back and appreciate.
Let's turn that statement around? What makes you think slavery and stoning of witches is immoral and homosexuality is ok? On what do you base these claims?
Jesus forgives gays of their sin. Any and all. God let's everyone come to Him for salvation without having to change their behavior. They don't have to clean up their act to get saved. That doesn't mean He wants them to stay in the same state as when they were unsaved. On the contrary, Ephesians 2:3 and Titus 3:3 say that we should not commit the sins that we committed before we were saved.
No, not one act of defiance, sin nature. Everyone born of man has one and suffers from one. Thus, everyone deserves Hell
Jesus is, figuratively, God holding out His hand to each of us to save us from punishment. He asks us to take His hand. What should God do to those who do not want God's help, those who slap the hand away or spit on it or pierce it through and reject the only avenue of help? Force them to spend eternity with a God they hate? That is not a loving God.
I do have one question for the Atheists, which is not meant to belittle you in any way. I just have always wondered this. Why, if there was even the slightest chance that you could be eternally happy forever, would you not take that chance?
Speaking of satisfying this need for confirmation and knowledge; do you have a link to the explanation of this phenomenon? I would love to investigate it.
That is, of course, going with the misguided assumption that homosexuals have any freaking choice in their orientation.
When i say "my opinion" it means i don't expect anyone to believe it, i was stating my thoughts on religion. In my opinion, i think people should try to save the earth instead of praying to what i believe is false hope, they should get out their and do something about it.
We should all take a step back and see things from a bigger perspective.
now you lost me, you posted about some Pokemon being based on religion, what's your point?
Religion is what people thought was true, but it has come to a time where science is the actual truth and many of the world's past beliefs are now inaccurate such as a flat earth, earth everything revolving around the earth, creationism, slavery, etc.
I may be missing your point, can you tell me what your trying to get at?