Exploitation of Game Glitches: Legit?

[Kad]

Based off the discussion in the Darkrai/Sheimi Glitch topic in the D/P forum:

Are event-only Pokemon REALLY legitimate (not going by the programming definition of "legit" here) if they are obtained by exploiting a glitch in the game that allows you get them?

and are exploiting glitches cheating?

 

[Ridley-X4]

You CANNOT catch them. If you do, the game will freeze and your save will be deleted.

 

[Eclipsed soul]

Beat me to it xD; *wanted to make a thread like this*

Just copying and pasting mostly what I said in the D/P forum, just changing a few things though. It depends on what glitch it is if I see it as legit or not.


I'm not changing the hex numbers in the program and turning say, a lv 2 pidgey into say...Mewtwo. I'm not changing the values in the program to make my regular pokeball into the masterball. I'm not changing the variables and setting a 'flag' up that'll make my pokemon in my party, LOLLEUBER!one!1two!!1!

This is coming from a novice computer programmer, and I see it D/P thing as legit. I'm not going to be using this method to say, clone a thousand shinnies so I can get even more shinnies, then just simply clone them, and cause a huge amount of them to be created. THAT is cheating so you can get a bunch of lv 100 pokemon, shiny, or legendary pokemon because you are too lazy to train/catch your own(not trying to have people who do this angry, just >> my view)

I'm pretty sure most of us aren't going to be trading these (event) pokemon away for rarer pokemon, because we are risking our save files to get these annoying guys in the first place. At least, I know I'm not. The most I'll trade them to is my friends so they can have the dex entries, and then trade it back. They won't be in my party, like most of legends aren't. I'm not hacking away to make it so I can get this guy no matter what, because I'm still going to have to battle.

I CAN'T afford a trip to Japan just to get these pokemon, it would be about half of my college fund. I mean, if Nintendo does something like with Animal Crossing, where going on wifi will make the flags in the program to activate and send you a ticket to get to those islands, then everything would be fine.

Oh, and I went to that Pokemon Birthday Bash in NYC back in August. I would've had to wait at least 5 hours to get my 'flying' Pikachu, and you know what? There weren't even any special event pokemon besides the Pikachu. If I did wait 5 hours, the place would've closed by then. Imagine if that were pokemon like Mew? These events are so horrible with the waiting, I'm still recovering from surgery, and standing on my leg for 5 hours really hurts. The events are horrible, crowded, and some people(like me) can't even get these special pokemon because of how insane it is.

 

[Kad]

But with the Wi-Fi being implemented on Diamond and Pearl, it's highly likely Nintendo will start utilizing that as means for dispersing rare Pokemon. It's a shift that's been going in Japan since the advent of the wireless adapter in FR/LG/E, but now that the wifi capabilities will be available to everyone, Nintendo would logically take control of that.

It's more logical than the events at Toys 'R Us or whatever, which don't make them any money anyway. This at least will convince people to buy the WiFi adapter.

 

[Night Avenger]

Could someone give me a link to that thread please? I wanna be informed!

 

[esrz22]

I see no problem with exploiting glitches, such as the (awesome) cloning trick from Gold and Silver.

 

[~Bent~]

There is no difference between taking advantage of a glitch and using an external device.

Case 1: level 255 Mewtwo. In Red and Blue, you could easily use the Missingno. trick to catch a Mewtwo (or nearly any other Pokemon, sans Mew) at over level 100. Then, with cloned Rare Candies (another Missingno. trick), you could bring it to any level in the game, including 255 (the maximum possible, due to hex features in the programming). Is this any different than, say, using a GameShark to make level 255 Mewtwos appear in the wild and catching them with sharked Master Balls?

Case 2: Someone uses the E4 glitch in D/P to visit the island and thus catch Darkrai. Is this any different from someone who uses an Action Replay (if there is one for DS) to access the event island and thus catch Darkrai?

Someone in the Darkrai thread used the example of a shortcut in a race that was supposed to be blocked off, but it wasn't. It would be no different to take that shortcut than to smash a barrier and take another shortcut.

Darkrai caught through this glitch is not "legit."


However, is "cheating" wrong? I think not. I have no problem with using a Shark to get stats equal to the maximum that could be legitly obtained. I have no problem with someone using a DV transfer glitch in Stadium 2 to get max-stat Pokemon. People who say "Cloning in Emerald is real, wrong, and not considered legit" are overreacting. We have to remember: Pokemon is a game. Nothing more.

 

[Lalonde]

In my opinion, it is legit. Cloning is not wrong, and as long as you don't use an external device then its perfectly fine. Things may be a bit glitchy, but EVERY game has SOME kind of glitch. Wether it be good or bad, or if you like it or not, you can't hide from it.

 

[esrz22]

In my opinion, it is legit. Cloning is not wrong, and as long as you don't use an external device then its perfectly fine. Things may be a bit glitchy, but EVERY game has SOME kind of glitch. Wether it be good or bad, or if you like it or not, you can't hide from it.

Exactly. If we have to face the negative effects of glitches we can certainly use beneficial ones.

 

[Mega Trickster]

In my opinion, it is legit. Cloning is not wrong, and as long as you don't use an external device then its perfectly fine. Things may be a bit glitchy, but EVERY game has SOME kind of glitch. Wether it be good or bad, or if you like it or not, you can't hide from it.

This is exactly what I am trying to get through peoples' heads. Glitches are unaviodable, every game has some UNWANTED quirk/glitch in it.

And no, it's not cheating. Why? Because it's their fault for having crappy testers that didn't find it, so we deserve to use it because their testers are lazy.

 

[Sarukarisha]

^^xD. Agreed. But I still hate the glitches and the cheaters.

 

[~Bent~]

And no, it's not cheating. Why? Because it's their fault for having crappy testers that didn't find it, so we deserve to use it because their testers are lazy.

testers not looking at every conceivable minute point != testers being lazy


Again, I have no problem with the Darkrai glitch, but I do strongly disagree with those who hold that taking advantage of glitches is somehow "better" than sharking.

 

[Mega Trickster]

testers not looking at every conceivable minute point != testers being lazy

What I meant was, they wern't doing enough random things or making sure that shortcuts made for them to skim through didn't work anymore later.

 

[Glowstick_cult]

What I meant was, they wern't doing enough random things or making sure that shortcuts made for them to skim through didn't work anymore later.

Oh but c'mon, there's no way in hell testers can do every conceivable thing ever to exist ever to find a glitch. A room of game testers, as opposed to millions of people around the world, there is sure to be a glitch that slips through the cracks during the initial testing, only to be uncovered by the public. Testers aren't lazy.

A glitch isn't usually intentionally put into a game by programmers. It's usually just a small mistake (we all make them). If these are to be exploited, that would be the very definition of cheating. It's your choice whether you want to do so or not, but I for one probably won't even bother.

And the glitch will be taken out of the english version, for sure.

 

["L"]

Cant see why people are against using a cheating devices that can potentially harm your game to get an event pokemon but not against exploiting a glitch that can also harm your game...

Personally as long as the giltch doesnt give you super strong pokemon, or harm your game and any other game it comes into contact with then I'm fine with it. I almost want to buy both versions, one for my competitve team, the other to see how the glitches work.

and for you people blaming game testers saying that its their own fault they missed it so we have the right to use this glitch, I better not find you bashing people who use cheating devices ( I dont use them myself ) cause couldnt you just say that its the programmers fault for not making the game more protected against cheating devices so we have the right to use them?

 

[Mega Trickster]

and for you people blaming game testers saying that its their own fault they missed it so we have the right to use this glitch, I better not find you bashing people who use cheating devices ( I dont use them myself ) cause couldnt you just say that its the programmers fault for not making the game more protected against cheating devices so we have the right to use them?

I promote the useage of cheating devices actually. I don't really care how protected they are, it's still fun to mess with games eaither way (you just get different results).

 

["L"]

I promote the useage of cheating devices actually. I don't really care how protected they are, it's still fun to mess with games eaither way (you just get different results).

I was talking about people in General. I would use it to in a game that I dont use competitvely just to see all the things I can do, but I wont trade the cheated pokemon to anyone

 

[JONNO.FRESH]

i think its legit because its just a glitch

 

[Cenodoxus]

Whoever is condemning the exploitation of glitches needs to calm down, step back from the computer and recognize that they are accusing videogame players of taking advantage of an error that the gaming company wasn´t good enough to correct in order to catch a Pokémon that will only be obtainable in a money-raking event that not everyone can attend of being dishonest people that abuse their poor blobs of pixels and defile the sacred silicon microchip.

Really.

 

[Porygandrew]

Cenodoxus is made of win.

I was going to add, what's the difference between a glitch in the game that can be exploited and purposefully-coded cheats for max ammo/lives, etc? Like the 99 lives "cheat" in Super Mario with the koopa shells, the pokemon glitch was just an unexpected accident.
I think it just shows the shrewdness and cleverness of players to find glitches like this in games versus the developers handing you everything on a silver platter.