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Extra-Terrestrial Life : Are we Alone?

Haymez

Rock Solid
Nothing can travel at the speed of light but massless particles, bosons and such.

Anyway, you don't need to travel at light speed. If you can go half the speed of light, say, you could make it to the nearest star and back in about 20 years. While this seems relatively short compared to hundreds of years for some other stars, this is far too long for our current technology, we can't support life for that long. All we could hope for would be a robot mission. By virtue of this, the only way we could make contact with extraterrestrial life is through signals and messages, or through them coming here with advanced technology.
 

Zevn

Lost in Translation
I would say that it is unlikely that other technologically intelligent life has progressed parallel(or close to) to us in nearby systems.

It seems far more likely that we will one day discover the ruins of a very advanced society, or they will discover ours, after humanity has died.
 

Haymez

Rock Solid
It is my personal opinion that any alien society would be similar to us in thechnology, while there are likely ones with advanced technology, and ones behind us. By this it is unlikely that any technology proficient civilization is located nearby as they would have seen our signals or have sent some of their own. Since we have evidence of neither, we can conclude that any nearby group must be more primitive than us.
 
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Vernikova

Champion
So far, NASA has only explored the entire solar system. They have yet to learn about the galaxy as a whole. If there is otherworldly life, mankind will be ready to meet them. But that won't happen anytime soon, because spacecraft can't travel at the speed of light.

I sincerely doubt that.

It is my personal opinion that any alien society would be similar to us in thechnology, while there are likely o es with advanced technology, and ones behind us. By this is is unlikely that any technology proficient civilization is located nearby as they would have seen our signals or have sent some of their own. Since we have evidence of neither, we can conclude that any nearby group must be more primitive than us.

You assume that they would want to make contact with us in the first place. Also, they could be sending us signals but we could just not be aware of it.
 

Haymez

Rock Solid
You assume that they would want to make contact with us in the first place. Also, they could be sending us signals but we could just not be aware of it.

But, why would they not want to make contact? Fear of war with another planet seems irrational from any standpoint.

As for signals, what type of signal could they be sending that we don't have the capability of seeing? We have observatories that can view every form of electromagnetic radiation, so while we may have missed something, there's no way could miss it every time it is pointed that direction.
 

deoxysdude94

Meme Historian
The universe so so vast, we have to be naive to think we are alone. Whether the aliens are intelligent, or microscopic, is another story...
 

Vernikova

Champion
But, why would they not want to make contact? Fear of war with another planet seems irrational from any standpoint.

They simply could not be interested in us. If it were an advanced enough civilization, why would they want to make contact with us? We'd be pieces of crap technologically compared to them. Really, whose to say that those aliens haven't already found other civilizations more advanced than we are and as a result aren't really interested in us.

As for signals, what type of signal could they be sending that we don't have the capability of seeing? We have observatories that can view every form of electromagnetic radiation, so while we may have missed something, there's no way could miss it every time it is pointed that direction.

I wouldn't know what kind of signals because if I did know then we would know in the first place causing your question to be pointless. Anyway, I meant that they could be sending us a signal but we just haven't been able to detect it from all of the other signals we get from space. Meaning that it just blends in. There was a recently a special on the Science Channel about this type of stuff called "Are We Alone?" and I recommend it if you are interested. The question you asked above is answered in it if I recall correctly.
 

Haymez

Rock Solid
I will buy your argument about the signals. Now that I think about it more this could happen easily. Signals from the planet could easily be lost in the radiation of the star the planet is orbiting.

BUT, the signals would have to be light in some form. Travel through a vacuum is not possible with waves, this cut out sound and other things for signals. What makes light so effective as a signal is the fact that it travels as fast as you possibly can, and can travel through a vacuum.

Photons, the particles associated with light, is part of a group of particles known as vector bosons, or force bearing particles. Each of these bosons interacts with nature in such a way as to exert one of the fundamental forces, the strong nuclear, weak nuclear, gravity, and electromagnetism. Photons re the boson of electromagnetism. Other than the photon there are only a few other of these particles, gluons, W and Z bosons, gravitons, and the Higgs boson. Gravitons and Higgs bosons have yet to be found, but there is strong evidence for their existence. Plus, gravity would not work as a signal, neither would the Higgs field. Gluons exert the strong force, and W and Z bosons are the weak force. Both of these forces take place within the nuclei of atoms, much to small to send a signal with. That leaves photons and electromagnetism. Light forms the electromagnetic spectrum for a reason. Having eliminated the other options we can conclude that any signals must be in the form of light.

Personally, I don't think an extraterrestrial society could be uninteresting in any way, but I'm not part of one so I don't really know how an alien civilization would react.
 
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SugarFreeJazz

not present
They simply could not be interested in us. If it were an advanced enough civilization, why would they want to make contact with us? We'd be pieces of crap technologically compared to them. Really, whose to say that those aliens haven't already found other civilizations more advanced than we are and as a result aren't really interested in us.

And yet we as human beings devote billions of dollars worth in resources and time to finding life on other planets, regardless of how evolved or advanced they may be.

On another note, why would any other civilization, more advanced than us or not, take their exploration to space if what it has to offer doesn't interest them?
 

Vernikova

Champion
I will buy your argument about the signals. Now that I think about it more this could happen easily. Signals from the planet could easily be lost in the radiation of the star the planet is orbiting.

BUT, the signals would have to be light in some form. Travel through a vacuum is not possible with waves, this cut out sound and other things for signals. What makes light so effective as a signal is the fact that it travels as fast as you possibly can, and can travel through a vacuum.

Photons, the particles associated with light, is part of a group of particles known as vector bosons, or force bearing particles. Each of these bosons interacts with nature in such a way as to exert one of the fundamental forces, the strong nuclear, weak nuclear, gravity, and electromagnetism. Photons re the boson of electromagnetism. Other than the photon there are only a few other of these particles, gluons, W and Z bosons, gravitons, and the Higgs boson. Gravitons and Higgs bosons have yet to be found, but there is strong evidence for their existence. Plus, gravity would not work as a signal, neither would the Higgs field. Gluons exert the strong force, and W and Z bosons are the weak force. Both of these forces take place within the nuclei of atoms, much to small to send a signal with. That leaves photons and electromagnetism. Light forms the electromagnetic spectrum for a reason. Having eliminated the other options we can conclude that any signals must be in the form of light.

Personally, I don't think an extraterrestrial society could be uninteresting in any way, but I'm not part of one so I don't really know how an alien civilization would react.

I don't know what you were trying to suggest in the second paragraph but as long as you understand then cool.

And yet we as human beings devote billions of dollars worth in resources and time to finding life on other planets, regardless of how evolved or advanced they may be.

Spending billions of dollars doesn't prevent us from missing signals. There's a reason why SETI runs its SEIT@Home program in the first place.

On another note, why would any other civilization, more advanced than us or not, take their exploration to space if what it has to offer doesn't interest them?

Maybe what we have to offer doesn't interest them. You're working under the assumption that it's solely us and them when it could very well not be the case. It could be us and them, and them, and them, and another them. And if that is the case why would they have to take interest in us?
 

Soaring Pikachu

Cool Trainer
Or we could follow the popular science fiction logic of: The aliens are out there but they are waiting for our technology to reach a certain point before doing anything.
 

Lickilicky.my.Skitty

Since Red & Blue!
Oh my gosh...this thread is going to get all kinds of crazy with all the theories, fact, etc pitted against one word to another...

All I have to say is that...yes, I do believe in aliens. I strongly believe in them. There is just...no. way. That we are alone. It seems too unlikely (and depressing, honestly). I believe that we have been and still are visited quite frequently. They're only observing though. Perhaps they see us like germs because of crime, pollution, etc. And are just choosing to watch until maybe one day we're evolved enough...I could go on and on from here but I think you guys get what I'm trying to say. ;3
 

SugarFreeJazz

not present
Spending billions of dollars doesn't prevent us from missing signals. There's a reason why SETI runs its SEIT@Home program in the first place.

It's not only about the signals though. We strive to find life elsewhere in the universe because we're curious. For whatever reason, whether it's to comfort us in the knowledge that we're not alone out there, or whether it's to gain insight on the creation of life, we are interested. Even if the life is just an amoeba on a distant planet in a galaxy light years from us, we want to know about it.

Admittedly, it's practically impossible to see this through the eyes (or whatever form of appendages they may use) of a hypothetical species that theoretically exists based on the idea that "the universe is too big for us to be alone". But I guess you're right - who's to say said species doesn't share the same interests or needs as us? It's just a weird concept to wrap my head around. Especially under the notion that the species somehow advanced to interplanetary space travel without a driving sense of curiosity towards everything it may hold.

Maybe what we have to offer doesn't interest them. You're working under the assumption that it's solely us and them when it could very well not be the case. It could be us and them, and them, and them, and another them. And if that is the case why would they have to take interest in us?

Fair point. Though I kind of already replied to this in my comment above.
 

Jonah the Slaking

Couch-bound Warrior
I don't think it's conceivable that, in a galaxy of trillions upon trillions of light-years, there's only one planet that bears life. There has to be SOMEONE else out there.
 

Gelatino95

Not a tool
I probably gave my opinion on this thread before, but I'll go ahead and do it again since it's been a while.

Yes, life exists out there. But this doesn't mean it's going to be similar to our idea of life. Organisms on earth all evolved in a similar environment, meaning they share a lot of very similar traits that people take for granted. For example, most land organisms share the common traits of having eyes near their mouth, nose, and ears, altogether constituting a face which is common among most organisms. Even fish, which evolved in an underwater environment as opposed to on land, share these traits. Now, consider a completely different planet where conditions are vastly different from on earth. Organisms adapt in different ways to suit this environment. Evolution itself is a process that operates at the most basic level purely on chance, so there's always the possibility that organisms on a different planet took a different path in their evolution, even if the conditions were the exact same as on earth.

What I'm getting at here is that life on other planets could develop in a way that humans might not even recognize as life. Perhaps aliens on another planet are autotrophs, like plants, and never develop the need for mobility, so they don't need any central nervous system to coordinate motion, meaning they have no brain. Perhaps aliens develop a different way of obtaining their food than humans, so they don't need visual organs or a sense of smell or taste or anything. Who's to say that they create proteins using RNA like we do, and who's to say that they use DNA as a way of mapping genes? Who's to say that they even pass on genes at all? They developed in a different environment, so anything could happen. The idea here is that alien life itself is very likely to be so vastly different from us that we wouldn't even consider it living at first just because the aliens develop in a different environment that creates different rules on life.

Assuming that aliens were similar enough to humans to be recognizable (which is already infinitely unlikely for the reasons stated above) their culture would be so different from ours that we wouldn't be able to communicate or see eye-to-eye for that matter. Perhaps in this alien society, domestic violence is welcomed and shows strength and valor among its people. There's no way we could ever abide by those cultural implications, and there's no way the aliens would change their entire cultural ideas just to conform to ours. This is just one of many examples of how alien culture could be different from ours. There's only an infinitely slim chance that aliens could be similar enough to us that we could communicate effectively.

Saying that alien life exists is like saying that there's a needle in a haystack. It's true, but it would be so impractical to find that we might as well just not consider it.
 

Vernikova

Champion
What I'm trying to say is that a signal from another planet would have to be in the form of light, which we are watching. Though they could be lost in stellar radiation, we would see it eventually. If I explained this badly I apologize.

Okay then.

It's not only about the signals though. We strive to find life elsewhere in the universe because we're curious. For whatever reason, whether it's to comfort us in the knowledge that we're not alone out there, or whether it's to gain insight on the creation of life, we are interested. Even if the life is just an amoeba on a distant planet in a galaxy light years from us, we want to know about it.

Admittedly, it's practically impossible to see this through the eyes (or whatever form of appendages they may use) of a hypothetical species that theoretically exists based on the idea that "the universe is too big for us to be alone". But I guess you're right - who's to say said species doesn't share the same interests or needs as us? It's just a weird concept to wrap my head around. Especially under the notion that the species somehow advanced to interplanetary space travel without a driving sense of curiosity towards everything it may hold.

Of course we're curious: we don't know for sure if life exists outside of this planet. If an advanced civilization exists and it knows about multiple forms of life are out there and has already interacted with them, what's one more planet really going to accomplish?

Fair point. Though I kind of already replied to this in my comment above.

I see.
 

The Director

Ancient Trainer
I'm going to try and keep this brief.

Let's start with is there life out there.

Yes there is. Small amounts of bacteria have been found on other planets.

Is there intelligent life out there?

As we are proof that it is not IMPOSSIBLE for "intelligent" life to exist one would say the odds are favourable considering the vastness of space and time.

Will we ever contact/meet intelligent life?

Unlikely, humans are more likely to die off before contact, considering the amount of time our species requires to either, develop technology to travel interstellar distances or to travel there with the technology we have. But even then the amount of time it would take to visit just a small amount of hospitable planets.
This of course applies to other species as well.

Will we ever discover remains of intelligent life?

Very likely, as, unlike species lifetime, remains of species last a lot longer, we can detect simple life 3.8 billion years ago, which is a much more probable time span for intelligent life to have existed within. What's more the remains of intelligent life is probably a lot longer than that.

How varied will intelligent life be?

In terms of appearance, probably very. On a biological and chemical level the variety will be less varied. The reason being there needs to be an environment for which something like a brain can evolve. Then there are the amount of different ways something like a brain could've developed, which aren't many. Carbon is one of the best due to it's ability to make long strings of itself. This gives it versatility to create very complicated biology. Now i'm not saying a non- carbon based life form couldn't evolve. It's just easier in terms of probability for it to be carbon.
Also evolution doesn't work if traits AREN'T passed on.

That's enough for now.
 
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