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Fanservice and Ecchi: Too much?

Discussion in 'Alternate Animé & Manga Discussion' started by matt0044, Aug 14, 2013.

  1. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    AZ Rant: Fanservice and Ecchi (Censored) - YouTube

    Yeah, I'm sure we've all noticed this. So let's discuss.

    I think there's too much and even if there are a lot of shows that are plot oriented, the ecchi stuff garners more attention because... well, you know. That and if there's a potentially good plot, they should focus on that and NOT on trying to break the immersion with stuff to get me all hot and bothered. It comes off as a bunch of short-sighted, simpleminded TV executives aren't confident in good stories and characters being a selling point and feeling that putting in cheesecake gratuitously is the formula for a guaranteed success.

    Another issue fanservice can pose is to outsiders of the Anime fandom(s) who can stereotype Anime as just porn. Because lord knows that humans are lazy at being open minded. You know that moments where you're watching an Anime and something risqué is shown, making you looking around for any family members/roommates. God forbid, you pause at the wrong moment...
     
  2. wingzx

    wingzx Heart-under-blade

    nothing wrong with Fanservice. but there is such thing as to much fanservice.
     
  3. Charizard Champion#06

    Charizard Champion#06 Spiral Warrior

  4. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie "It is my destiny."

    That's been going on since the 80s/90s, if not earlier. Even though anime's now more mainstream than it was then, it's never going to go away.

    I completely understand why there are people who are put off by ecchi and boob fanservices in a cartoon--because Lord knows you still have people out there who think all animation is Disney. I completely understand the "think of the children" mindset in cases like that. I get the outcry some people have about it.

    Unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it. Sure, dubs can edit the footage even if it'll cause fandom outcry, but it's out there. It's on store shelves, it's on the Internet. There's no excuse for people to not do research and determine what's appropriate to show to their children at what age when it comes to anime. If they buy something at Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, what have you thinking it's kid-friendly just to find out it's got violence, language, nudity, or whatever, it's their own damn fault for not looking into it. They deserve all the ridicule they get for complaining about it.

    I still remember how strict my mom was about anime back in the day. She watched it with us sometimes, though I think after a while she trusted the network's censors that she stopped caring about it until we started reading manga. Even then, she was even more cautious about manga. Freshman year, I brought home Fruits Basket I borrowed from a classmate, and Mom told me to be aware that there may be things in there that aren't appropriate. Technically, she wasn't far off, but it was still age appropriate and sparse enough I didn't let it bother me, and she did trust me. It wasn't until she looked over my brother's shoulder one night some years back as he was reading I believe Soul Eater that she put restrictions on the computers when it came to anime and manga (Internet-wise anyway, though bringing home anime wasn't overlooked either).

    That restriction's still there, but my brothers have found a way around it, and my mom kinda stopped caring sorta. But I swear that it's a wonder she didn't out-right ban anime and manga from the house at all because she was always aware of what was in most anime and manga. So from that experience alone, I understand the issues surrounding it when people who aren't casual watchers of anime or readers of manga bring it up. I'd give them a bit of insight to help clear things up, but for the most part I let them think what they want to think while I sigh solemnly, "Poor misinformed souls."

    So with that said, I agree in some areas, but in others I don't. Japan is Japan, nothing we can do about it. If they're going to do weird things in their stuff, let them do it. It's theirs, after all. If distributors want to get the license for that, by all means let them do it. They can do what they want as long as it's within their own contracts or anything similar (I'm pretty sure 4KIDS did have permission to edit footage, otherwise there would've been a lawsuit a long time ago). Can the screaming fandom get a little overboard about what it is they're complaining about? Sure, unless they can prove it's within reason (as was the case with One Piece and Cardcaptors, for example).

    So when it comes to fanservice and the ecchi category, I'm not a fan of the bouncing boobs/showing off skin for the hell of showing off skin fanservice that is also common in ecchi, but I can tolerate it in some areas. Does it make me look over my shoulder if it gets a bit ridiculous and/or silly (as was the recent case with Muromi-san)? I don't lock my door anymore, I leave it open at times, so yeah. But if that was part of the show's intent, by all means let them do it. It's distracting if it's blatantly obvious that it was shoehorned in to appeal to a male audience, but otherwise as long as it doesn't get too distracting or really unnerving/unnecessary, or takes away from character development (I want a character, not two-dimensional breasts), I don't have a big issue with it these days. It at least gives me an excuse to jot down a list of anime I'm attempting to keep away from my younger brother until he reaches a certain age, and which ones to dock off the forever-small "Possible Anime I Want to Watch with My Parents/Grandparents" list.

    (I hope I didn't go overboard or off-course o_o...)
     
  5. The Federation

    The Federation Why Not?

    I was never bothered by my parents by any of the anime/manga I watched, as long as I watched it in my room. That said, High School of the Dead did have me looking around my empty room in embarrassment. That, and Sekirei.

    If this type of fan service is in an ecchi, I don't care. If it is in a somewhat plot-driven anime, I care a lot. It really just depends on the show as to whether it goes overboard or not. That new Tumblr craze FREE is man-ecchi, so I don't watch it. If it's too much, don't watch it. That's all that matters.
     
  6. An00bis

    An00bis Wicked Witch

    I agree. I'm usually pretty tolerant, so there's only one anime I felt was completely and utterly ruined by fanservice.

    That'd be World War Blue.
     
  7. Jolteon91

    Jolteon91 iDOLM@STER Fanboy

    This is what the "Anime is inappropriate" thread would've been if it wasn't posted by an idiot.

    Whether or not fanservice is too much depends entirely on the show it's in. Something like Highschool of the Dead, it's not out of place because that's pretty much all the show is about, tits and zombies. However, if something like K-ON! had the same degree of fanservice as HSOD, it would definitely be way too much. Then of course, you have shows that present their fanserivce tastefully. Once again, compare the fanservice on show in HSOD with something like one of the Monogatari series. Both have their fair share of fanservice, however one has you thinking you're glad no one is seeing you watch it, while the other you wouldn't really care if someone was in the room with you.

    Click edit post, go advanced, and there should be a little box above the edit box that will let you delete it yourself.
     
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  8. matt0044

    matt0044 Well-Known Member

    Um, thanks. I guess.
     
  9. The Federation

    The Federation Why Not?

    Well, that's embarrassing. It has been there the whole time and I haven't paid any notice to it whatsoever. Thanks!
     
  10. Kutie Pie

    Kutie Pie "It is my destiny."

    I wouldn't say it's "man-ecchi" just because it's about well-built bishie male swimmers ripping their shirts off at least once an episode with the occasional close-up of their swimming shorts/speedos and no male parts are flopping about (thank God). I feel that so far it's been rather tasteful in terms of eye-candy for the ladies since it doesn't go over-board with it--it fits with the environment. And it lampshades everything when the female character ogles them (the scene when they're trying on swimming gear at the store is the best example of this).

    Honestly, it doesn't look sexual enough to be considered an ecchi to me, but I still wouldn't watch it with my mom if only because she'll poke fun of me or Dad would get jealous or something, I dunno. My brothers once asked what I was watching that was making me giggle so much, and all I would tell them is, "If you don't mind watching an anime about guys swimming, knock yourselves out." So yeah, I don't blame you for not watching it even if you're missing out on great characters and animation. To each their own.
     
  11. wingzx

    wingzx Heart-under-blade

    Free isnt that bad at all. sure there some seasons that is man service but besides that its a great anime
     
  12. EmphaticPikachu

    EmphaticPikachu A tired little girl~

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xTKO4EhapQ


    This sums up my thoughts on fanservice in anime.

    Aside from the fact that I'm usually a bit more lenient about what is totally distracting. People can do what they want so long as they don't force it onto other people.

    And, the only episode in free that was what I would consider true fanservice is episode 4.

    Those crotch/butt shots of rei were really "not" needed.

    I mean really?

    Underwater swimming shots?

    not that I hated it, I laughed at it. I'm just saying. That's the same type of thing that happens to females.

    If someone already mentioned what I said, then sorry xD

    Otherwise knock yourself out.
     
  13. Vernikova

    Vernikova Champion

    This is my view. Nothing to add to it.
     
  14. The Admiral

    The Admiral solid state survivor

    I guess that fan service can pretty easily wreck a series that is conceptually pretty good, but then, whoops, the team creating it focused less on the writing and more on, er, other things. Cynically, it makes me think that sometimes creators underestimate their audience's attention span.

    That's kind of overkill.
     
  15. The Federation

    The Federation Why Not?

    I called it what I did for effect. I don't watch it because I don't really have time AND I think it looks quite odd for my tastes. I try to limit myself to thinks I know I'll like whever possible, because then I'll never feel I wasted my time.
     
  16. greatguy

    greatguy Back.

    Fairy Tail died to this. It was nice when it had a plot, but now it's pretty much heavy ecchi. Seriously, one of the latest chapters has Lucy naked the entire time. Add to that the fact that the plot has been awful since a few hundered chapters ago, and it's evident that the series runs completely off fanservice.
     
  17. Charminions

    Charminions Hot♥

    ^ Fairy Tail in its entirety. I don't mind fan-service in 'serious' anime if it's in small doses like in Code Geass or One Piece, but FT is just an ecchi trainwreck.
     
  18. Jb

    Jb Tsun in the streets

    Saying that fanservice ruined Fairy Tale would imply that the show was actually good to begin with.

    Which it wasn't.
     
  19. OceanicLanturn

    OceanicLanturn Non non non!

    As a FT fan, I agree that fanservice made it really bad. Before it was still good, then dropped to watchable, then... What a waste of time seeing Lucy completely naked. And the OVAs gross me out.
     
  20. ParaChomp

    ParaChomp be your own guru

    I couldn't care less unless it goes overboard which can be quite disgusting. As already mentioned multiple times, Free! is a great counterargument of sorts. We have close ups of the male body and characters oogling at it and ends up being quite funny. The problem with typical fan service is the fact that women are lower (I see you as equals but there's no denying it) than men in society and objectifying them is seen as immoral in our cultures and it's also happens frequently. Objectifying attractiveness can be very funny, it just has to be done right.
     

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