Feasable combo?

[NeoPhantos]

I'm looking into certain combos and began to wonder whether this one is possible.

The combo involves 2/3 Pokemon and only works in double/triple battles.

The first Pokemon:
Shuckle @ Quickclaw
Sturdy
- Protect
- Power Split
- Power Trick
- Anything*

The second Pokemon is simply a fast Pokemon who can use Trick Room.

The third pokemom is a Pokemon with high HP and def, but relatively low offensive power, such as Chansey.



Combo itself is relatively simple:
Turn 1: both use protect
Turn 2: shuckle uses Power Trick and the other Trick Room
Turn 3: switch the second Pokemon with chansey, shuckle goes first thanks to trick room and uses power Split.

The end result is a Pokemon with quite a good amount of offensive potential, combined with good stats that allow it to survive. This opens the possibility to sweep as long as it's not phased.

In battles where double Pokemon are allowed, its even possible to summon a second shuckle once the first one is killed (which should be at the end of turn 3) and have the second shuckle use Guard Split on chansey, raising her offensive and defensive capabilities to the max. Couple this with giving chansey safeguard/healing bell as well as softboiled and chansey can even more easily sweep...

Theoretically anyways... Chansey is not needed particularly, just a Pokemon with high enough HP and capability of surviving on its own.

 

[Teacup]

I'll calculate the stats with a Chansey with brave nature and a Shuckle with relaxed nature and both at level 50 and maxed iv in the relevant stats. Chansey would have maxed ev in hp and attack and Shuckle would be maxed in defence and sp. defence.

Assuming you pull off the power split, Chansey would have 186 attack which is pretty good. You can't normally bring 2 of the same Pokemon so let's use the same Shuckle for guard split as the 4th slot. You'll want to switch it out and back in to reset the defence stat to normal and then use guard split. The guard split would leave Chansey with 168 defence and 204 sp. defence which is also good. Coupled that with Chansey's monstrous hp and holding an eviolite makes for a fairly invincible Chansey with protect, softboiled, ice punch and last resort.

It does seem extremely unlikely to pull off though. I don't see a reason for the double protect on the first turn. First turns are usually used for setting up which is the perfect opportunity for you to set up as well. Turn one of trick room is counted the turn its used. Turn 2 for switching the Chansey and using power trick. Turn 3 and 4 for the double switch in with Shuckle. And turn 5 for guard split. It takes 5 turns, 4 if you can bring 2 Shuckles, to set up the Chansey. All the while your opponent is going to be attacking. But you're probably going to be protecting. It could definitely work. But the problem with strategies that involve powering up 1 Pokemon on your team as that if one of your Pokemon faints or gets shut down with a taunt somewhere along the chain, your strategy falls apart. The power trick room combo alone should be enough. Shuckle is going to survive any attack on the first turn so it can safely power trick. If you bring a tanky trick roomer like Dusknoir, it can also safely trick room the first turn. Then Shuckle just needs to spam rock slide to hit both opponents who are going to be slower under the trick room

 

[NeoPhantos]

First turn protect is to deal with first turn flinch such as fake out which is a common anti leading setter tactic nowadays...

The shuckle strategy you mentioned is good and known, but an Aqua Jet or just about any priority damaging move WILL kill shuckle with such low defenses...

The problem with Eviolite, guard split chansey in the current meta is it a lack of offensive potential in teams, leaving it as setting fodder or worse yet countdown fodder... This combo is meant to relieve chansey of its inability to pose a real threat to its opponents.

Honestly, IF chansey is powered up like this, the only things it would fear would be a Perish Song and a phaser move, both of which may cause chansey to be forced to withdraw losing its buff from shuckle... Well, the phasers COULD be circumvented with a ingrain batonpasser, but that's too unlikely to pull off correctly.

 

[Teacup]

Oh the fake out is a good point. I suppose if you're running protect anyway there's no harm in doing it. What would you have Chansey hold if not an eviolite? And yea if you could pull it off this Chansey would be pretty much indestructible

 

[NeoPhantos]

Either eviolite or leftovers are fine... Though leftovers gets the upper hand in the end. Eviolite applies to chanseys original stats, and the 5 base stat in defense is too low to consider being boosted... Also, with the amount of defense and HP, leftovers can pretty much ensure survival against weather, poison and burn if you forgo heal bell as seen in your set.

I've no problems with eviolite itself as its still very good at raising spdef to impossible levels. I mostly choose chansey over blissey due to this item! But blissey has higher defensive and spark than chansey, which ensure that the spatk of a buffed blissey will be higher than that of a buffed blissey.

 

[KillerDraco]

Unfortunately, this thread is in violation of the rules. This section is only for rating in-game teams, and the rules of section indicate you need at least three specific Pokemon with movesets for this to be a team to rate. Questions of viability with respect to strategy are better directed toward the Competitive Section's Ask a Question Thread.

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