February 3rd: MPM04 - Tunbear's Sigh!

[RafaSceptile]

This thread is going to end in another amourshipping debate isn’t it?

And they are not wrong, XY and AG Hoenn have A LOT of similarities

 

[Mr. Reloaded]

This thread is going to end in another amourshipping debate isn’t it?

Serebii Forums and Armourshipping debates? Never.

 

[vondecayle]

I don’t get why some people like to pretend that Misty and Iris, Trip and Paul, Piplup and Oshawott had nothing in common. Heck piplup and oshawott were both simping for Meloetta because they are so similar like that.

 

[GohMaster!]

And they are not wrong, XY and AG Hoenn have A LOT of similarities

 

[Sham]

Anyways prepare your laptop screens because Oshawott the icon is returning. I hope he splashes Misty in the face with Water Gun or Hydro Pump or whatever as a (cute) gag

 

[Spyro39]

I don’t get why some people like to pretend that Misty and Iris, Trip and Paul, Piplup and Oshawott had nothing in common. Heck piplup and oshawott were both simping for Meloetta because they are so similar like that.

I sure would like to know why Trip is called a Paul knock-off when the only thing they have in common is that they were both jerks to Ash. Trip never treated his Pokemon with the same harshness that Paul did; in fact, he was never harsh to his Pokemon at all.

 

[vondecayle]

Didn't help at all that he's Piplup 2.0.

We are getting discount piplup in this episode, can’t wait!!

 

[Sham]

I sure would like to know why Trip is called a Paul knock-off when the only thing they have in common is that they were both jerks to Ash. Trip never treated his Pokemon with the same harshness that Paul did; in fact, he was never harsh to his Pokemon at all.

That’s a troll and he’s failing horribly at it but I’ll answer this. The main idea is that Trip was mean to Ash for “no reason”. That’s it. That’s the gag. Oh and maybe they both choose a Grass starter. That’s why I said earlier you can call anything a rip off in this series based on bare bones similarities like that.

 

[Spyro39]

That’s a troll and he’s failing horribly at it but I’ll answer this. The main idea is that Trip was mean to Ash for “no reason”. That’s it. That’s the gag. Oh and maybe they both choose a Grass starter. That’s why I said earlier you can call anything a rip off in this series based on bare bones similarities like that.

Even then, they should get their comparisons right if they're going to troll.

If BW is supposed to be like "OS 2.0", Iris is like Misty, and Cilan is like Brock, then Trip is more like Gary.

 

[GohMaster!]

Even then, they should get their comparisons right if they're going to troll.

If BW is supposed to be like "OS 2.0", Iris is like Misty, and Cilan is like Brock, then Trip is more like Gary.

Also if BW is OS2, why are we talking about Piplup.

 

[UnovaMaster]

Oshawott haters are the least based people I've ever seen

Also Journeys is DP 2.0

 

[Xuxuba]

Didn't help at all that he's Piplup 2.0.

He is not Piplup 2.0.

2.0 indicates an improvement.

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

We are tired.

Cilan is a Brock 2.0
Iris is Misty 2.0
Trip is Paul 2.0
Oshwaott is Piplup 2.0

We are exhausted

I mean, they all were versions of those you mentioned, except none of them (during BW) managed to stand out for one reason or another...namely the fact everyone but Cilan was a loser and we were all annoyed by that.

He is not Piplup 2.0.

2.0 indicates an improvement.

I was using that number as more of a second coming rather than an improvement.

 

[Sham]

I mean, they all were versions of those you mentioned, except none of them (during BW) managed to stand out for one reason or another...namely the fact everyone but Cilan was a loser and we were all annoyed by that.

Iris was not trapped into running a Gym and didn’t end up a Gym Leader
Cilan did not show any signs of infatuation with the female gender at all
Trip did not mistreat his Pokémon
Piplup did not push other people to fight battles it didn’t think it could win.

The energy I’m getting from this is you taking maybe one or two personality traits and calling them clones and this applies to everything tbh

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

Iris was not trapped into running a Gym and didn’t end up a Gym Leader
Cilan did not show any signs of infatuation with the female gender at all
Trip did not mistreat his Pokémon
Piplup did not push other people to fight battles it didn’t think it could win.

The energy I’m getting from this is you taking maybe one or two personality traits and calling them clones

Okay, let me tell you the actual energy rather than making it up for me just for the sake of disliking said "energy":

Iris kept losing a lot after she finally got through Dragonite. She was meant to be a Gym Leader but the writers chose not to, but it doesn't help she got on Ash's nerves as much as Misty did (except it was much more hypocritical coming from Iris and Ash was made dumber for the snark to work).

Cilan was a weirdo. Replaced love for women for a lot of strange hobbies. He's a cook and had a similar on-and-off goal like Brock did, until his main goal became more of a hobby because he may have as been been the only top connoisseur we knew and we haven't seen a smidge about him getting better or worse for it (unlike how Brock learned about berries and whatnot as his adventure went on).

I wasn't talking about Trip mistreating his Pokemon at all. It was just the fact it was another jerk rival, except Ash had far less personal business with Trip than with Paul, and then the story just pushes Trip off anti-climatically because it turned out he wasn't such a big deal. Notice that, ever since Johto, Ash didn't have another rival until Paul in DP and Trip in BW, and those two came off one after another (rather than making another jerk rival in Hoenn) so all the starting regional rivals he had were jerks to him until the writers phased them out completely (probably because they wanted everyone to be BFFs). Alain was more than ready to be another jerk, but...yeah, he liked Ash a little too fast and too late.

Both Piplup and Oshawott are young Water-types joining the main team from the start craving for attention and screwing up for it, except Oshawott was far worse at it.

All of these are trying to replicate something we've already seen, but they all just...didn't cut it during BW (for me). Who knows, maybe this is the reason the writers made so many drastic changes to the following companions thinking they learned their lesson (only they made more mistakes like freaking Lana's dream).

Also, I never said they were clones but just very similar.

 

[Sham]

Okay, let me tell you the actual energy rather than making it up for me just for the sake of disliking said "energy":

Iris kept losing a lot after she finally got through Dragonite. She was meant to be a Gym Leader but the writers chose not to, but it doesn't help she got on Ash's nerves as much as Misty did (except it was much more hypocritical coming from Iris and Ash was made dumber for the snark to work).

My point. They purposely decided not to make her a Gym Leader like they did Misty. It was never in the cards. The Dragonite stuff is irrelevant but the point of the matter is they have different origins, travels and last but definitely not least conclusions. You have “little kid” and that weird Ice childish fair but that’s where the line is cut.

Cilan was a weirdo. Replaced love for women for a lot of strange hobbies.

So not Brock

He's a cook

Is Mallow Brock’s clone?

and had a similar on-and-off goal like Brock did, until his main goal became more of a hobby because he may have as been been the only top connoisseur we knew and we haven't seen a smidge about him getting better or worse for it (unlike how Brock learned about berries and whatnot as his adventure went on).

Eh wrong. Brock went from a Gym Leader to Breeder to Doctor/possible chef. That was his arc of finding out what he truly loves. Cilan had a profession and hobbies. That’s different.

I wasn't talking about Trip mistreating his Pokemon at all. It was just the fact it was another jerk rival, except Ash had far less personal business with Trip than with Paul.

Okay? So that’s the bar? Being a jerk means he’s a Paul variation? Is Paul a variation of Gary? The bar is at sea level.

Both Piplup and Oshawott are young Water-types craving for attention and screwing up for it, except Oshawott was far worse at it.

Craving attention in different ways. Oshawott isn’t even the first Pokémon to do this and neither is Piplup.

Also, I never said they were clones but just very similar.

All I was pointing out is that somehow BW is accused of copying and pasting a lot of things based on surface level similarities as if everything in this anime is original. The only true original character is probably Lillie. However if I wanted to point out similarities between all series we’d be here all day. Just saying

 

[GohMaster!]

we were all annoyed by that.

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

My point. They purposely decided not to make her a Gym Leader like they did Misty. It was never in the cards. The Dragonite stuff is irrelevant but the point of the matter is they have different origins, travels and last but definitely not least conclusions. You have “little kid” and that weird Ice childish fair but that’s where the line is cut.

So not Brock

Is Mallow Brock’s clone?

Eh wrong. Brock went from a Gym Leader to Breeder to Doctor/possible chef. That was his arc of finding out what he truly loves. Cilan had a profession and hobbies. That’s different.

Okay? So that’s the bar? Being a jerk means he’s a Paul variation? Is Paul a variation of Gary? The bar is at sea level.

Craving attention in different ways. Oshawott isn’t even the first Pokémon to do this and neither is Piplup.

All I was pointing out is that somehow BW is accused of copying and pasting a lot of things based on surface level similarities as if everything in this anime is original. The only true original character is probably Lillie. However if I wanted to point out similarities between all series we’d be here all day. Just saying

Then let's boil it down even further.

Iris is like Misty in that she's a traveling (would-be-but-then-not-but-still-known-as-by-players) Gym Leader who hypocritically snarks on Ash, met him first early, adores one Pokemon type over the others for being a specialist for said type (Emolga was her Togepi, in a way) and gushes over for them, and also fought Ash as much as Misty did.

Cilan is like Brock who's a traveling Gym Leader leaving his gym to his family after being defeated by Ash as the first Gym Leader because he wanted to pursue a different passion, is a cook, is the oldest of the group, is also at times criticized by Iris for his silly hobbies (we had the ghosts are real or fantasy debate) and behavior, doesn't really focus on one Pokemon type, and teamed up with Ash more than fight him.

Trip is like Paul because he's a jerk who has no respect for Ash, though he was shaping to be like Paul, Trip was defrosting a bit too fast and he didn't see his idol screwing up much earlier to define his 10 long-year self into a jerk like Paul. (But anyway, he's another jerk rival we got right after Paul, and that was a bit glaring and too fast.)

And I already described both Piplup and Oshawott, so yeah.

After all these, the writers stop copying more than 2 or 3 traits at once with the following companions (until they shamelessly copied and pasted more of Sonia's traits into Chloe).

Always assume that when I say "we," you're not included in it.

 

[Lelouch-Red]

Interesting to see, that there are humans who like BW and the BW trio.

BW tried to be OS 2.0 (even 4.0) but failed miserably.

Note: Iris' return was handled really good in JN.

 

[Sham]

Interesting to see, that there are humans who like BW and the BW trio.

Wait until you hear a bigger gag. There were children who even grew up with the show, watched it as an adult too... maybe even XY and SM too I know gasp.

Note: Iris' return was handled really good in JN.

We know.

Then let's boil it down even further.

Iris is like Misty in that she's a traveling (would-be-but-then-not-but-still-known-as-by-players) Gym Leader who hypocritically snarks on Ash, met him first early, adores one Pokemon type over the others for being a specialist for said type (Emolga was her Togepi, in a way) and gushes over for them, and also fought Ash as much as Misty did.

Cilan is like Brock who's a traveling Gym Leader leaving his gym to his family after being defeated by Ash as the first Gym Leader because he wanted to pursue a different passion, is a cook, is the oldest of the group, is also at times criticized by Iris for his silly hobbies (we had the ghosts are real or fantasy debate) and behavior, doesn't really focus on one Pokemon type, and teamed up with Ash more than fight him.

Trip is like Paul because he's a jerk who has no respect for Ash, though he was shaping to be like Paul, Trip was defrosting a bit too fast and he didn't see his idol screwing up much earlier to define his 10 long-year self into a jerk like Paul. (But anyway, he's another jerk rival we got right after Paul, and that was a bit glaring and too fast.)

And I already described both Piplup and Oshawott, so yeah.

After all these, the writers stop copying more than 2 or 3 traits at once with the following companions (until they shamelessly copied and pasted more of Sonia's traits into Chloe).

Always assume that when I say "we," you're not included in it.

That's fine and dandy but my point was if I truly wanted to pick apart pieces then I would say it's very funny how they introduced a female character, had her choose the Fire Starter, gave a good amount of episodes without knowing what she wanted to do, only to introduce a new performance goal specifically for her that her friend showed her. All in the same series where each companion was given a starter this time around. Now obviously Serena isn't a May clone but that's my point here. Also if we are being technical Axew was Togepi, to help your argument.