Ominous Wind
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This is pretty funny. Y and Sun are the cheerful bunch while X and Moon are the, should I say, moody ones?
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February Plot Discussion
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This is pretty funny. Y and Sun are the cheerful bunch while X and Moon are the, should I say, moody ones?
Blue Saturday
Violet Prince❤️
Why is this special form named after some other trainer popping up everywhere without said trainer being present? It has to do with the bond between the frog and Satoshi, whhhhhy in the world can Y's frog transform too? This is due to bond phenomenom, a relationship so powerful that it hasn't been realized in 1,000 years. Will her Greninja turn out to look like Satoshi? Because that's really really, nonsensical. Hopefully Kusaka calls it, "Bond Greninja" to save us the headache. PokeSpe has cleaned up worse things before, hopefully they spruce up that poorly written and inconsistent lore. How are they going to justify showing this garbage form in PokeSpe? Y-Greninja? Y, why? I'm kind of annoyed. Ugh, hot mess.
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Shadao
Aim to be a Pokémon Master
It's either showcase the special ability with the trainer (Y) who has a Greninja... or bring Ash into Adventures to showcase the phenomenon that is Ash-Greninja (which has become very popular in these past months). Either way, Battle Bond is a legit ability and it does increase Water Shuriken's power. Besides, it's not the first time Adventures was influenced by the anime (looking at FRLG Mewtwo).
BlackButterfree
Well-Known Member
It may be event-only, but that means nothing anymore. We have an entire class of Pokémon that can only be obtained through events.
The true determination of its canonicity will be if it can be pushed up to the next games. As for now, the fact that it's being showcased throughout the entire franchise so passionately really hints at it being canon. Spiky-Eared Pichu and Cosplay Pikachu are the closest things (being featured in the anime, games and manga) and neither was marketed so voraciously.
The name is likely not canon, and I really hope it's not, but the form itself does not seem to be a one and done deal.
Coronis
In lucid awakening
Seems there is quite a lot of hatred for Y's Greninja after its ability is revealed. Indeed, its placement in the actual game canon is odd, since it specifically bears the name of an anime character, but I suppose if it is going to be showcased after all in the actual volumes, it will still have the appearance of 'Ash-Greninja' rather than mirroring Y since the S/M game doesn't actually make it copy your character's appearance when it transforms. This really makes the name 'battle-bond Greninja' more appealing than 'Ash-Greninja', but I guess it will be easier to think of Ash looking like Greninja instead of the other way around (one such Greninja was supposed to have appeared thousands of years ago according to the anime canon, no? And that Greninja apparently has the exact appearance of 'Ash-Greninja')
I'm actually interested to see if Pokebank's new Pokedex will give it an entry (since S/M doesn't have one). A Dex entry that dis-entangles it from Ash would probably make everyone happier. Here's hoping Pokebank actually makes new dex entries rather than pooling all old dex flavor text together.
Coronis~
I'm actually interested to see if Pokebank's new Pokedex will give it an entry (since S/M doesn't have one). A Dex entry that dis-entangles it from Ash would probably make everyone happier. Here's hoping Pokebank actually makes new dex entries rather than pooling all old dex flavor text together.
Coronis~
The thing is: I hate Greninja in general because of that stupid ****ing ability. The anime was retarded enough to give that goddamn frog so much spotlight, and make it sooo special for no reason what-so-ever, other than "HE"S POPULAR! LET'S MILK HIM EVEN MORE!" and placed that ****ing thing on a pedestal it does not deserve. Not only it makes Chestnaught and Delphox even more un-popular (because the Pokémon Company doesn't want you to choose those) but also makes every other starter less than the ****er. It's a stupid marketing campaing that the anime spawned and is now spreading to the games, the TCG and PokeSpe. ALL BECAUSE A LITTLE BIT OF IMMEDIATE PROFIT!
I hate Greninja with a passion that I never thought I could hate a Pokémon like that. I had hope PokeSpe could make me like it a bit more, but I just lost that hope.
I don't have a problem with it. The Bond Phenomenon works based on the trust between the Pokemon and its Trainer, and Y and Croaky clearly trust each other.
As for the design, we only see the Hero Greninja that transformed from behind, and it was in a mostly-gray painting. So while it did look like Ash-Greninja, it's pretty much impossible to tell whether or not they shared the same exact appearance.
So it's technically not impossible for Croaky to turn into a different version of Ash-Greninja. Whether or not it'll happen and if it does, it'll be called Y-Greninja, is yet to be seen.
As for the design, we only see the Hero Greninja that transformed from behind, and it was in a mostly-gray painting. So while it did look like Ash-Greninja, it's pretty much impossible to tell whether or not they shared the same exact appearance.
So it's technically not impossible for Croaky to turn into a different version of Ash-Greninja. Whether or not it'll happen and if it does, it'll be called Y-Greninja, is yet to be seen.
Blue Saturday
Violet Prince❤️
Coronis you angel, you always know what to say. Honestly, calling the form "Satoshi" was one of the stupidest ideas ever if said form was going to be canonized in game and pokespe verses. Something else that makes me feel cynical of this form appearing in pokespe is the lore was half done in the anime, there are so many blatant inconsistencies for this form's description. Ugh, anime!Greninja was worse than thunder armor. Honestly, Y's KeroKero was good as he was, he didn't need this form at all. They trust each other and have had a fair share of cute and good moments but this form was unnecessary. The only way I see them getting around it is retconning the lore or, like you said, creating one in which Satoshi is wrung from it. I want to remain optimistic that Kusaka will give this thing some form of depth.
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LOl@amount of people overreacting over Ash-Greninja. So much salt.
Personally, I am pleased that the female protagonist is getting a special form herself. I'm curious to see how the manga will handle the transformation, its origins (if they ever delve into that) and the infamous name itself. I hope Kusaka depicts the synchronized movements between Y and her Greninja like the anime did with Ash and his.
Personally, I am pleased that the female protagonist is getting a special form herself. I'm curious to see how the manga will handle the transformation, its origins (if they ever delve into that) and the infamous name itself. I hope Kusaka depicts the synchronized movements between Y and her Greninja like the anime did with Ash and his.
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Blue Saturday
Violet Prince❤️
> never post on anything related to pokespe
> suddenly post just to mock people airing their vices over said form's appearance in pokespe.
Bro, you really got to learn to let people be especially if they aren't invading your discussion spaces. Y already had Mega Absol thus the idea of her needing a form for herself is invalidated completely.
He can't. Because he's not allowed to.
Hey, fun fact, I have posted on these forums before. I just don't post often.
And even if I don't post, I have every right to make a comment on these salty comments because I do keep up with this manga.
Anyway, don't mind me, continue with your salt. That's all you're good for, really.
Blue Saturday
Violet Prince❤️
Thats super gross and an outright vindictive thing to say over someone expressing annoyance at a comment clearly laced with spite, you really have issues with simply ignoring people who say things you don't like over fictional content aimed at children. I'm only good for posting "salt?" What made you think that was an okay thing to post? It wasn't "salt" it was honest commentary and cyncism aimed at a feature I don't care for's handling and that translating into pokespe form. I honestly don't care about your anger at me, it's not okay to make comments at me like that simply because you view me as a bad person for not liking or supporting a feature you do. I never once said anything rude against you for liking said feature. I wouldn't take issue with it if you were posting in good faith, but it was clearly meant as a "gotcha" at people posting critically over Satoshi-Gekkouga in this thread. And really it does give off the impression you only came here to "police" peoples' posting on it, I'm not mad at you for it. It just seems in bad taste and petty. Even before Kerokero was confirmed with Battle bond people expressed a distaste for it possibly appearing here. You really would be more at peace if you let people be.Hey, fun fact, I have posted on these forums before. I just don't post often.
And even if I don't post, I have every right to make a comment on these salty comments because I do keep up with this manga.
Anyway, don't mind me, continue with your salt. That's all you're good for, really.
Edit: Apologies for the off-topic discussion lolipiece/Coronis, I had to spit that out.
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Platinum fan.
RetiredPokemonMaster
I don't hate Y's Greninja. I don't like that it might become Ash-Greninja, but I don't hate Y's Greninja. I don't want any of Ash's lore in PokeSpecial. I personally can't stand him, that's just me. However I'm done being salty about it. I am tired of all the attention Greninja's species got in general while Chestnaught and Delphox got nothing. I'll also have to let that go. At least I finally got Glovehead aka Moon in PokeSpecial so that negates all the bad stuff of Greninja's overexposure.
I dont understand why you of all people would suddenly fuel more of this nonsensical expectation.
The manga has been trying extremely hard at following the game's mechanics, so much as to explain Deoxys' regional forme differences and a lot more "game-y" mechanics like this to the world. The only times they betray this are when they goof up with moves (like the recent Normalize Skitty) or during the super early era of RBGY with a lot of original creations like fusion bird and super moves because there were just not enough materials.
They went out of their way to include a Battle Bond Greninja here because there is an Ash-Greninja to showcase. It 100% won't look like Y-Greninja just because it makes more sense. If they had to screw with the rules and create their own thing, there is no reason not to simply create a Battle Bond Chesnaught too or something. Why, you mean X didn't bond enough with Chesnaught? Heck, the whole "bond with Pokemon to mega evolve them" was so badly done by all the franchise across all the media that I don't think even Kusaka has done it justice. X also hardly bonded with his mons before gauntlet showcasing their Mega Formes only during the chapters they were each caught and then the final battle.
Also the ability is literally a shoehorned thing to pander to the anime fans. Nobody besides Ash has to actually bond with their Greninja to be able to have it. It's an ability built into the Greninja. The game itself tries very hard to get around this fact by literally making BB Gren its own entity (unbreedable, un-unlockable etc). He's literally a Greninja whose ability Ash had unlocked and then given to the player "through event". The players themselves cant unlock this new ability for their own Greninjas no matter how hard they bond with them. My point is, this makes Y's Greninja having a random BB feels extremely stupid. It was as if of all the starters Sycamore gave the Kalos kid literally only that Froakie was a special snowflake because the game, which was forced by the anime, forced the mangaka to do so.
Tl;dr There won't be a Y-Greninja, it won't be called as such, and yes this is an awful way to adapt it into this manga.
diakyu
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Watch them relate Ash-Greninja to how X looks since Ash in XY was based off of Calem. They can say because Y is such good friends with X it manifested in her Greninja. It sounds bad, but I seriously doubt they'll reference Ash directly.
In retrospect, they really got screwed over with the starter pattern this time (though Chespin is my personal favorite). Ash-Greninja under X would have been perfect and it would even transform like all his other Pokemon.
In retrospect, they really got screwed over with the starter pattern this time (though Chespin is my personal favorite). Ash-Greninja under X would have been perfect and it would even transform like all his other Pokemon.
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