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Reading what he said right before "femininity should be equal to masculinity as it is", I think he was just unclear/made an error in word choice somewhere along the line.
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Feminism & Rape Culture 2014: My Post is Up Here Guys
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Aegiscalibur
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Like I said, he may have just phrased it in a strange way.
But it's worth pointing out because there are some people out there who really think we should aim for specific quantities of femininity and masculinity, such as people who believe in feminist ethics. Much of Blazekickblaziken's thoughts on masculine vs feminist values in history, western imperialism, and other loosely related things contains similar logic.
johnny_hobo
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johnny_hobo thinks that feminism is good for the women and men because of rape culture
Silver Soul
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Todd Akin is back with his "legitimate rape" comments.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ry-clinton_n_5532906.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...ry-clinton_n_5532906.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
And he is right on this one, Hillary Clinton tried to delegitimize the girl's rape claim by "**** Shaming" her, a tactic that Feminists have been angry about for a very long time and with good reason.
I have a question for you, Lutz. How much do you respect John Adams?
That's right, the second President, one of the Founding Fathers. Was he a bad man? Of course not...
Or was he?
As a lawyer, he defended some very hated criminals and got them off, the British soldiers involved in the Boston massacre. Despite the fact that they couldn't pay him much and almost everyone in Boston was screaming for their blood, he defended them, getting six of them acquitted, and reducing the charges of two (the ones who had fired) from murder to manslaughter.
Why did he take the case? No-one else would. He said, and I quote:
Unquote.
The job of a lawyer, the duty of a lawyer, is to give a defendant the best defense possible. Lawyers do not pass judgment. That's the job of the judge and jury.
If you don't like it, move to some dictatorship where that isn't the case.
That's right, the second President, one of the Founding Fathers. Was he a bad man? Of course not...
Or was he?
As a lawyer, he defended some very hated criminals and got them off, the British soldiers involved in the Boston massacre. Despite the fact that they couldn't pay him much and almost everyone in Boston was screaming for their blood, he defended them, getting six of them acquitted, and reducing the charges of two (the ones who had fired) from murder to manslaughter.
Why did he take the case? No-one else would. He said, and I quote:
Unquote.
The job of a lawyer, the duty of a lawyer, is to give a defendant the best defense possible. Lawyers do not pass judgment. That's the job of the judge and jury.
If you don't like it, move to some dictatorship where that isn't the case.
And that means a lawyer has a duty to **** shame a 12 year old girl? There is defending your client, and then there is defending your client with a zeal that attempts to utterly destroy the victim using one of the worse tactics of the Rape Culture
Let me put it this way, Hillary Clinton wanted to attack the girl because she heard that the girl was precocious and that she had heard that girl's that age seek out older men. Even if that were true, that does not mean she deserved to be rape, thus that argument has no validity in the trial other than to attack the victim
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Silver Soul
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By the way Lutz, how do you feel about George Will's rape column?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/09/george-will-sexual-assault-colleges_n_5473357.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/09/george-will-sexual-assault-colleges_n_5473357.html
At least Hillary, unlike some people, knows what the definition of rape means. You still supported Akin in his run for Senate, calling him a "necessary evil".
And btw, the case involving Hilary is hardly different than other rape cases. Sadly, such cases are usually stacked against the victim. That's why they usually try to plea bargain.
You argument holds no water. Hillary was doing her job.
Edit: Prove Hillary did with any more malice than the typical lawyer, Lutz. Go on, prove it.
And btw, the case involving Hilary is hardly different than other rape cases. Sadly, such cases are usually stacked against the victim. That's why they usually try to plea bargain.
You argument holds no water. Hillary was doing her job.
Edit: Prove Hillary did with any more malice than the typical lawyer, Lutz. Go on, prove it.
I believe we went over this in the Presidential topic and how we have grown into a culture of Guilty until Proven Innocent
http://www.serebiiforums.com/showth...-2016-Election-Thread&p=17243781#post17243781
Link please
So your argument is that every lawyer engages in **** Shaming? Really? That is a rather outstanding charge, and even so, that is hardly the actions of a woman who is a "Child and Woman advocate"
As I already said, I can't. It's on TPM.
Yes. Just follow ANY similar trial.
If it were a Republican who had done it as a young lawyer, you'd grant him a mulligan, I'm certain of it.
Watch your language.
Silver Soul
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To say that being raped is a privilege is appalling and even readers, politicians, and newspapers alike disprove of it. Jon Stewart yesterday even talked about how students who were charged with rape were punished by suspension prior to graduation which is basically vacation and it is happening in over 50 campuses.
I agree it is, but I also agree to his broader point that there is a unfair double standard when it comes to presumption of Rape
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If you can't prove it then I would suggest you stop making the charge
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Really care to point out a trial in which a 12 year old rape victim was **** shamed?
See this Lutz?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/daisy-coleman_n_4925170.html
This is the latest story in the Daisy Coleman case, where the courts have gone to every possible length to ruin a rape victim's life to avoid prosecuting the star varsity football players who committed the assault.
I can present the entire history of the case if you want, where the shaming was FAR worse than what you accuse Ms. Clinton of.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/08/daisy-coleman_n_4925170.html
This is the latest story in the Daisy Coleman case, where the courts have gone to every possible length to ruin a rape victim's life to avoid prosecuting the star varsity football players who committed the assault.
I can present the entire history of the case if you want, where the shaming was FAR worse than what you accuse Ms. Clinton of.
You do realize that exposing contradictions in a sworn statement is not the same as saying a 12 year old girl went out seeking to older men thus she is at fault for being raped. And again I ask where is your proof that a CHILD rape victim has been **** shammed?
There you have it, folks. He avoided it by using a technicality, as if Ms. Coleman was a statistic.
The Coleman case is as much a case of shaming the victim as the one he sites, and the victim has nearly been driven to suicide as a result. So why is Lutz answering with specifics about the case, and not treating her as a person like he is with the victim in Hillary's case?
I say, because all he truly cares about is smearing Hillary.
The Coleman case is as much a case of shaming the victim as the one he sites, and the victim has nearly been driven to suicide as a result. So why is Lutz answering with specifics about the case, and not treating her as a person like he is with the victim in Hillary's case?
I say, because all he truly cares about is smearing Hillary.
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Peter Quill
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Because he's using a mainstream term coined by feminists?
How about you shut up and don't mini-mod.
Can you please actually show where the shaming comes in? I mean pointing out contradictions is not exactly shaming, I would gladly condemn an act of shaming but so far you only pointed out a article that is mainly technicalities not shaming.
Interesting. Democrat objects to a teenage hunter engaging in sustainable hunting practices by offering to pay 100k for nude pics so he can make her a target. War on woman? Hopefully his party kicks him to the curb.
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/d...ard-naked-photos-teenage-hunter/#.U77RCvldWIp
http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/d...ard-naked-photos-teenage-hunter/#.U77RCvldWIp
Sorry, New guy here. I read the last few pages to get an idea of this debate before saying anything.
Warning this is a bit of a vulgar side to take but I do think he articulates himself well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlSh6wBXePM
This youtuber makes a lot of content relating to this so at least as food for thought I do highly recommend at least checking him out, he also includes links and video clips of the things he responses to.
Also I saw earlier that there was someone claiming that all attorneys that go against the victim of a rape are ****-shaming. I entirely disagree with this because the claim that is being made is that anything a victim of a rape says is fact without question. While I do agree that rape is an awful crime, that does not mean that we abandon any form of the rule of law we have set up in this country. In the end of the day, rape cases do mostly come down to one persons word against another and we cannot punish someone legally for just a claim. That defeats the purpose of innocent until proven guilty and would put us one step closer to becoming a country that is unstable like the many discussed in this very thread.
Warning this is a bit of a vulgar side to take but I do think he articulates himself well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlSh6wBXePM
This youtuber makes a lot of content relating to this so at least as food for thought I do highly recommend at least checking him out, he also includes links and video clips of the things he responses to.
Also I saw earlier that there was someone claiming that all attorneys that go against the victim of a rape are ****-shaming. I entirely disagree with this because the claim that is being made is that anything a victim of a rape says is fact without question. While I do agree that rape is an awful crime, that does not mean that we abandon any form of the rule of law we have set up in this country. In the end of the day, rape cases do mostly come down to one persons word against another and we cannot punish someone legally for just a claim. That defeats the purpose of innocent until proven guilty and would put us one step closer to becoming a country that is unstable like the many discussed in this very thread.