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Fighting Ire With Fire! (631)

Discussion in 'Pokémon - Diamond & Pearl: Sinnoh League Victors' started by Serebii, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. Rizardon

    Rizardon Boulder Trainer

    Come on guys, it was already known that Ash is a super-human.

    Can run at high speed, jump at great heights, take every pokemon-move that would incapacitate actual pokemon, the list goes on and on and ON.

    I was surprised by the way that Ash's own starter wouldnt actually evolve before Monferno. Now that we have our gloriously awesome (and my favorite pokemon) Infernape, it's time to wait for Torterra. (who I also like a lot)
     
  2. Almighty Zard

    Almighty Zard He has returned.

    ^still there's a bloody tolerance level to how much punishment one boy can take, especially by fire.
     
  3. Locormus

    Locormus Can we please get the old forum back?

    Kinda funny that we had a Jigglypuff in the episode before this monstrousity of yawn..

    Hmmm Makes you wonder though doesn't it? Ursula promised Dawn a rematch in the Grand Festival...

    It's ugly indeed! Did you see at the end (it's in Serebii's episode pictures) that when Infernape and Ash look at eachother.. that it looks like a Gremlin with a flaming head? I mean really.. monkey my butt.. that's a gremlin when I see one.. damn Russians putting them in our cars and anime!

    I underscored some of your posts.. I feel that Monferno's evolution was the biggest anticlimax of Sinnoh. Even worse then the Galactic plot. All this build up, and most of it got spent when Chimchar evolved.. Suikun I kinda have to disagree, because I don't know if it should be counted as a Rocket evolution when they were already blasted off. Secondly. The way it was animated wasn't that good. I find that the label decent is the most this episode can get, but only because of the heavily integrated plot elements: Anouncement of the GF location, and total of contests left. Three of those are going to Jessie and Ursula. Paul and Barry meeting, again, not as I had framed in my mind, and finally Infernape's lame evolution, which was the worst really.

    I am not just saying this because some might think of me as a Torterra fan(because of the thread that I made, I actually made that since I thought this episode was going to be huge), but because of that Infernape evolved to save Pikachu, Piplup and Empoleon from a 6 foot drop..

    For all the old folks like me.. Do you remember when Ash skillfully jumped like a full story building height down in the first movie? You all know the scene.. The music starts and Ash is looking down at the clones battling below and realizes that fighting is wrong!(which I still think is the single most hypocritical thing ever to be said in the pokemon anime..) After that brilliant realizationSo he runs down from where he stands and jumps down like a story or three... Long story short. If Ash can defy everything like that.. why can't PikaPiPemper?

    I know plot device.. but was it really, really, really necessary for it to evolve that way? It was underwhelming, but it was a bit saved by the awesome music...

    Talking about defying gravity.. Did anyone notice that appearantly while using Flame Wheel.. Monferno and Infernape can: 1. Alter initiary (U-turn) when flying. 2. Hover. 3. Cause other pokemon in its fire NOT to be burned!
     
    Last edited: Feb 12, 2010
  4. Magical Needle Smash

    Magical Needle Smash Well-Known Member

    Thinking about it, Shinji isn't the only one who has had a bit of a change in attitude. If this were the Satoshi of previous regions, you would have expected him to rashly challenge Shinji to another battle right then and there in order to get revenge. Instead, he's rather calm and even admits Shinji is a trainer that has many things that he lacks. I guess you could say this was somewhat of a character development episode.

    Also, the Rockets having a moment of silence for all of their failed plans was very nice.
     
  5. uber gon

    uber gon Accept Change

    Wonder if Infernape will learn Blast Burn anytime soon? That would be FULL of awesome.
     
  6. STICKTOPIA

    STICKTOPIA Well-Known Member

    This was 1 of the greatest things that could ever happen. I love this episode. It was awesome. Wow Ash was ahead of Barry with the badges but now Barry passed him. Monferno would have won that battle if TR didn't have to disrupt the battle. I gotta say that Blaze was handled a lot better than the last time. It didn't cause a fire this time. I like how Paul helped out with this. He's really starting to turn into a good guy. I'm amazed b/c I thought Electabuzz would evolve before Monferno. I'm sure we'll see Electivire at the league.
     
  7. jolteonjak

    jolteonjak *swoons for Noland*


    Well you remember the Ponyta episode from Kanto. Ponyta can control its flames to not injure people it trusts. Maybe Monferno/Infernape can do the same?
     
  8. CyberCubed

    CyberCubed Banned

    What the hell were some of you expecting out of Monferno's evo? I thought it was done perfectly.

    When Grovyle evolved into Sceptile, it would up being beaten up by Seviper and Cacnea in the next scene. And you guys are acting like Infernape wasn't done well?

    You want a definition of an anti-climax? Here:

    - Ash's Johto Pokemon
    - Magma/Aqua finale
    - GS ball

    This was done fine.
     
  9. STICKTOPIA

    STICKTOPIA Well-Known Member

    I thought they also dressed like that in the episode Dawn's Piloswine evolved.
     
  10. Locormus

    Locormus Can we please get the old forum back?

    Here ya go Cyber, I said it was the biggest anticlimax of Sinnoh. You can't count the Johto team as an anticlimax, since those were around through the entire region mostly, some after later then others.. but most were there after the second gym. GS Ball was a plot point and the Celebi got put into a movie.

    The Hoenn and Sinnoh teams were badly handled, but Chimchar, imo, got more build up to being stronger then anything else then those two teams each ever did. From its first appearance, gymbattle with Paul, tag battles, switching teams, tears for fears, chimcharred, all the gyms it had won, evolving against Paul and now this.

    I just get the feeling that the writers just used the first half of the episode to check of some plotpoints and that the second half was purely a vehicle for an evolution, this could've been Grotle's evolution if you took away the Blaze.


    I think that's why it made that nod to it, when it saved it from the immensily heavy iron cage.. It was something like: "Yo punk.. I outgrew you, noob! he he!" To which Electabuzz replied with a: "Grrr, you monkey!"

    So I agree with you, but I can't really say that I got the feeling that Monferno was able to recognize friend from foe in its raging state.
     
  11. Almighty Zard

    Almighty Zard He has returned.

    Like I said before, just be happy the thing evolved, seriously stop nitpicking about it's evolution.

    I'd take catching pokemon from a cage over pokemon constantly evolving against a rival, or the exact same way someone else did during a competition that happened in the previous region.
     
  12. WingBlast

    WingBlast Poke-holic

    When I heard "Ready Go" I just wanted to scream of happiness! This is my absolute favorite opening!

    SUSUME SUSUME KIMI TO NANA IRO NO NIJI KOETE!!!!

    The episode was friggin' amazing! I loved it so much.
    Gokazaru..what a blast evolution. <3
     
  13. Thriller

    Thriller Its almost time

    Most of this episode was watched by with me subtitles, courtesy of Youtube's annotation feature.

    - Hey look, its Jun! What a great guy. Too bad he won't join up with our heroes permanently.
    - "PENALTY!" First time I ever knew he had a catch phrase.
    - Brock is STILL flirting with all the Joi's he meets? When is someone gonna call Junsa on him. Wait, don't answer that -.-
    - He look, its Shinji! Both main rivals in the same episode! Oh come on Shinji, our #1 fan wants to meet you, show some respect.
    - Hey Shinji, if you're going to claim the Sunyshore Gym is the worst gym, please back it up.
    - "We interrupt this episode with information we could have told you last episode: The Grand Festival will be at Lake Azelf. Too bad you have to do so much backtracking now. Haw-haw. Oh, and there's still seven contests left! Why such an odd number considering the story really only needs two? Don't ask me, I'm just a character!"
    - Nope. The Rocket-Dan disguise of the week doesn't remind me of the Jigglypuff episode at all.
    - I'm more surprised Jessie isn't dressed as Miss Musashi, Considering this regards her contest quest.
    - "Hey Satoshi, lets battle. PENALTY!"
    - Unsurprisingly, Jun uses Empoleon... Come on writers, we know he has a Rapidash. It won't be a surprise at all if he saves it for the League.
    - Oh Ash, only you would chose something like Monferno against a Water Type.
    - Wow, ONE HIT AND MONFY IS OUT??
    - *Looks at computer with anger and screams and curses loud in his empty, quiet apartment* This is why I don't watch this show much anymore. Pikachu, look me in the eyes and listen to me. YOUR ELECTRICITY IS USELESS. USELESS! Its been useless for a Decade now! Stop using it!
    - I did get a chuckle out of Pip trying to break the bubble with its wee beak though.
    - Wish you had Steelix now don't you Brock? ;)
    - Turns out Monfy's button has been pressed. Only because it can. No reason for it to be this upset, unlike the last time where Shinji (rightfully) insulted it.
    - Shinji, don't you think something like Torterra would have been better to use to protect Pikachu, Pip & Empo?
    - Time for Ready... GO! The best song to ever accompany an evolution. What does it tell me? Success.
    - I wish I can evolve every time the police catch me with red eyes... Er.. moving on!
    - Ah yes, makes sense for Electabuzz to witness Monfy's evolution, since Electabuzz seems to have a lot of respect for it, even at the beginning of this long, boring saga.
    - Glad to see Shinji apparently congratulate Ash on his new Infernape. By this time, the subs are gone but I did hear the word "Shimka!" come out of his mouth.
    - And now comes the end of the episode, Shinji is gone and Jun will most likely be gone by the time the next episode begins. Come on Jun, stay awhile! You have 8 Badges, why not stay and support Ash and witness the next evolution! We still know you have a Rapidash and it'll do the species good to see one not enslaved with tack and sugar cubes!
     
  14. pigingy

    pigingy Well-Known Member

    Yay! Monferno evolved!
    Infernape looks so much better than Monferno.
     
  15. BlueVapor

    BlueVapor Well-Known Member

    So, the Grand Festival is at Lake Valor, AKA the place where the Wallace Cup was held. I suppose it makes sense. And there's 7 contests left, so Jessie should easily make it to the Grand Festival.
     
  16. Torpoleon

    Torpoleon Well-Known Member

    Seven more contests left! If Ursula and Jessie are going to be in the Grand Festival, then that would make there be just four left! Looks Paul is starting to show some respect for Ash since he showed respect for him when Monferno evolved, which was awesome.
     
  17. Thriller

    Thriller Its almost time

    Hey, I just realized, if there's 7 contests left, that means anyone still has time to start collecting those ribbons...

    Know what this means? MAY! :)
     
  18. NES

    NES Flip me to the side!

    Wow that's a wild guess, i doubt it but i would like it.
     
  19. J-boogie200

    J-boogie200 Well-Known Member

    Jessie needs 2 ribbons, Ursula needs 1. That would leave 4 ribbons for May, in which she'd be short of one.

    I miss May, and love May, but I see Dawn having this whole thing to herself, she deserves it.

    Paul is changing for the better.
     
  20. streetlightdsb

    streetlightdsb Uni hiatus

    Maybe, but during Blaze? Which at the moment it has no control over? I doubt it.
     

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