Final Fantasy Discussion

[Nibbles4Ever]

I've only played 1 through 7, tactics for ps1, gameboy advance, mystic quest, and dawn if souls. I absolutly love 3 for snes, it's my favorite and 7 is my second favorite.

 

[SBaby]

I didn't know this thread was back from the forum graves. Well since this thread's death I played Final Fantasy VI at last. It was good. I find it hilarious that Kefka is such a top rated villain in the FF series when the character has little to no background himself and is evil simply because of a failed experiment on him or something? He's evil for no real reason yet that seems to make him really popular. I mean plenty of FF villains are just evil for the sake of it and are nowhere near as popular as him. Look at time witch from FFVIII, what's her name again? I also hated the Dragons Den bonus dungeon. That maze was more frustrating then any boss in the game, and certainly harder then the two super bosses waiting in them. And doing Sabin's Blitz command was a major pain to figure out especially during the battle time.

There's a reason why Kefka is so much more popular than other FF villains, despite being kind of one-dimensional. It's two words: The Joker. His personality really comes off as Joker-like. I know I'm not the only one that was disappointed when he WASN'T voiced by Mark Hamill in Dissidia.


Actually, there is more reason why people like him as a villain over many other FF villains. To understand why, let's look at his accomplishments compared to other popular FF villains. This is all going to be in tags, for obvious reasons.

[spoil]First, let's take a look at some other popular FF villains.

In FFIV, we have Golbez, one of the most popular FF villains of that era. But what was really on his list of accomplishments? He stole the Crystals, destroyed a few cities and had a lackey usurp the Baron King's power. Fair enough.

How about Sephiroth? What was really on his list of accomplishments? He caused Aeris' death, was involved in burning down a town and destroyed the Shinra Corporation because he had an Oedipus Complex. Ok.


Now let's look at Kefka. He sets fire to Figaro, wipes out the nation of Doma, kills General Leo, wipes out the entire Esper race, and takes over the world, much less DESTROYS the world in a near-extinction-level event. And it takes an entire year for him to be stopped after he does all that, time Kefka spends doing other horrible things like burning down a kid's house because the kid isn't praying to him enough.

Sorry, but Kefka was just way more successful than other FF villains, past and present. Not many of the villains in the series can say they conquered the world by their own hand.[/spoil]

 

[Platinum fan.]

There's a reason why Kefka is so much more popular than other FF villains, despite being kind of one-dimensional. It's two words: The Joker. His personality really comes off as Joker-like. I know I'm not the only one that was disappointed when he WASN'T voiced by Mark Hamill in Dissidia.


Actually, there is more reason why people like him as a villain over many other FF villains. To understand why, let's look at his accomplishments compared to other popular FF villains. This is all going to be in tags, for obvious reasons.

[spoil]First, let's take a look at some other popular FF villains.

In FFIV, we have Golbez, one of the most popular FF villains of that era. But what was really on his list of accomplishments? He stole the Crystals, destroyed a few cities and had a lackey usurp the Baron King's power. Fair enough.

How about Sephiroth? What was really on his list of accomplishments? He caused Aeris' death, was involved in burning down a town and destroyed the Shinra Corporation because he had an Oedipus Complex. Ok.


Now let's look at Kefka. He sets fire to Figaro, wipes out the nation of Doma, kills General Leo, wipes out the entire Esper race, and takes over the world, much less DESTROYS the world in a near-extinction-level event. And it takes an entire year for him to be stopped after he does all that, time Kefka spends doing other horrible things like burning down a kid's house because the kid isn't praying to him enough.

Sorry, but Kefka was just way more successful than other FF villains, past and present. Not many of the villains in the series can say they conquered the world by their own hand.[/spoil]

I didn't say Kefka wasn't a good villain. I was asking why everyone puts him at the top when he has no backstory and is just evil for the sake of being evil, since that seems to be a mark against every FF villain that doesn't have some complex confusing story like Sephiroth. And no I don't hate Sephiroth, but I'd be lying if I said I fully understand the character's entire story. I don't hate Kefka either, I liked him for what he was, but I was just confused with his popularity because the way everyone brags about him I thought he'd be the most complex villain there is. I mean several villains in FF do evil things and aren't even half as popular as Kefka is. In every FF game I've played the villains usually take over the world or break it in some fashion. Kefka's case is only different in the fact that it's a actually level on the game half. Again I like Kefka. He entertained me whenever he appeared I'm just surprised the FF community love him the way they do since villains with zero backstory are frowned upon these days.

 

[SBaby]

I didn't say Kefka wasn't a good villain. I was asking why everyone puts him at the top when he has no backstory and is just evil for the sake of being evil, since that seems to be a mark against every FF villain that doesn't have some complex confusing story like Sephiroth. And no I don't hate Sephiroth, but I'd be lying if I said I fully understand the character's entire story. I don't hate Kefka either, I liked him for what he was, but I was just confused with his popularity because the way everyone brags about him I thought he'd be the most complex villain there is. I mean several villains in FF do evil things and aren't even half as popular as Kefka is. In every FF game I've played the villains usually take over the world or break it in some fashion. Kefka's case is only different in the fact that it's a actually level on the game half. Again I like Kefka. He entertained me whenever he appeared I'm just surprised the FF community love him the way they do since villains with zero backstory are frowned upon these days.

That's why people put him on top though, because out of the countless RPG villains that have tried to take over the world or destroy it, he's one of the most successful, probably second only to Krelian or Wilhelm from the Xeno franchise (two guys who brought humanity to the brink of extinction in their respective games), in terms of just how efficient he was at doing what he did. Kefka sits there, biding his time, and when the opportunity presents itself, he makes his move. It's a brilliant coup d'état by a character that is essentially treated as a flunky for most of the first half of the game.

Don't get me wrong. I personally really do like Sephiroth as a villain. It's just that Kefka is way more successful in what he does.

 

[Void Ventus]

He didn't manage to destroy the planet, but you completely forgot Sephiroth successfully summoned Meteor, and the planet was literally minutes away from exploding. If Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith, she might have summoned Holy earlier and been able to stop Meteor, but Bugenhagen said Holy or the Lifestream would then judge the creatures of the planet. If they thought humans were destructive, then they would be wiped out. With Aerith dying and her Cetra spirit becoming part of the Lifestream itself, she had a huge influence on letting the humans live.

FFXV is in under 55 days! 10 years, and we're finally so close. PSN has a Season Pass up for $25, and it includes
•DLC 1 - Booster Pack (probably some boost items or extra Potions or such)
•DLC 2 - Episode Gladiolus
•DLC 3 - Holiday DLC (guessing just Christmas related costumes or such)
•DLC 4 - Episode Prompto
•DLC 5 - Episode Ignis
•DLC 6 - Expansion Pack (seems to be a whole new region)

 

[SBaby]

He didn't manage to destroy the planet, but you completely forgot Sephiroth successfully summoned Meteor, and the planet was literally minutes away from exploding. If Sephiroth hadn't killed Aerith, she might have summoned Holy earlier and been able to stop Meteor, but Bugenhagen said Holy or the Lifestream would then judge the creatures of the planet. If they thought humans were destructive, then they would be wiped out. With Aerith dying and her Cetra spirit becoming part of the Lifestream itself, she had a huge influence on letting the humans live.

FFXV is in under 55 days! 10 years, and we're finally so close. PSN has a Season Pass up for $25, and it includes
•DLC 1 - Booster Pack (probably some boost items or extra Potions or such)
•DLC 2 - Episode Gladiolus
•DLC 3 - Holiday DLC (guessing just Christmas related costumes or such)
•DLC 4 - Episode Prompto
•DLC 5 - Episode Ignis
•DLC 6 - Expansion Pack (seems to be a whole new region)

OK, specifically, Kefka caused the apocalypse, became a god and the ruler of what was left of the world for an entire year, and the heroes had to defeat him in the post-apocalyptic setting.

Sephiroth meanwhile failed in his goal, which was to become a god by absorbing the Lifestream, and it only took the heroes a week to kill him after he summoned Meteor.


And yes, I'm also excited for FFXV. It might be the first time in over a decade that I've been legitimately excited to play a new Final Fantasy game.

 

[Void Ventus]

OK, specifically, Kefka caused the apocalypse, became a god and the ruler of what was left of the world for an entire year, and the heroes had to defeat him in the post-apocalyptic setting.

Sephiroth meanwhile failed in his goal, which was to become a god by absorbing the Lifestream, and it only took the heroes a week to kill him after he summoned Meteor.


And yes, I'm also excited for FFXV. It might be the first time in over a decade that I've been legitimately excited to play a new Final Fantasy game.

So Kefka caused an apocalypse, but he still lost... Meaning he's essentially like all FF villains, losers.

While Sephiroth didn't accomplish his goal, he was still able to almost kill all life on the planet. Holy, the only thing that could counter Meteor, failed. The backup, the Lifestream, would not have stopped Meteor had it not been for Aeris dying and being part of the Lifestream itself. Sephiroth's biggest mistake was killing Aerith. If things still happened the same except Aerith lived, then bye bye life. Sephiroth would have definitely caused the biggest casualty of all FF villains. But that was an "if" Aerith lived scenario, so yes Kefka still is the most successful. I'm just saying Sephy was close to it as well.

Strong rumor FFXV is getting delayed to Nov 29th. Official announcement might be on Sunday. If true, then the Uncovered event was a giant embarrassment and a freaking waste of time and money.

 

[SBaby]

So Kefka caused an apocalypse, but he still lost... Meaning he's essentially like all FF villains, losers.

If you count devastating most of the world's towns, wiping out countless people, ruling the world for an entire year with no opposition, poisoning an entire kingdom and causing the complete extinction of an entire race, losing... Then yes, he lost.

 

[Void Ventus]

Call me when a FF boss has managed to completely kill the main characters. Vanilla FFXIV Bahamut excluded.

Final Fantasy XV officially delayed to Nov 29th
Game's fully complete, but the original release date would have needed a huge Day 1 patch. The move to Nov 29th is just to implement the huge Day 1 patch into the disc so even people without Internet access have the Day 1 Patch features already in the disc.

 

[AuraChannelerChris]

Let's pray to god not another day 1 patch is born while installing that one.

 

[Platinum fan.]

Call me when a FF boss has managed to completely kill the main characters. Vanilla FFXIV Bahamut excluded.

Final Fantasy XV officially delayed to Nov 29th
Game's fully complete, but the original release date would have needed a huge Day 1 patch. The move to Nov 29th is just to implement the huge Day 1 patch into the disc so even people without Internet access have the Day 1 Patch features already in the disc.

Ooh! Ooh! Would Kuja count? The good guys never actually defeated him in battle and when he destroys the crystal it's almost implied they all died before reviving to fight that Necron thing. I know this probably doesn't count but just wondering.