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Finals I: Torrent (1218)

doofinc

doofinc

get rillaboomed
Pros:
  • Dawn and Chloe coming to cheer on Ash IRL is good compensation for the lack of Goh
  • Very happy that we're getting triple cheater mode on Ash's end. Go all out for the finale.
    • It kinda seems like we might not get triple GMax on Leon's end - I presume there must be the 1 GMax/battle thing in the anime as well
    • On one hand, Ash is buffed, but on the other hand, Ash put in the work to get all 3, when we know that Mega Evolution + Z Move mastery isn't as simple in the anime. So if Leon wants to fight the hard work that Ash put in to get all 3, then let him
      • This is admittedly a bit of copium, but we gotta remember that getting + mastering Megas + Z-Moves isn't as free in the anime as in the game
        • No comment on DMax/GMax though
  • Libero Cinderace - nice to swap to ground type
    • Ash swapping out Pikachu for Cinderace looks smart, and then you remember Pikachu beat mf Gastrodon
      • I mean it's still smart, but pretty funny looking back
  • Inteleon had a lot of good camera shots with his sniping abilities, very cool
  • Leon learning counter shield in response to seeing Ash doing it - nice callback to Paul
  • Will-o-Wisp to add steam to hide what Ash was gonna do
  • The rare good GMax battle???
    • Inteleon vs projectiles trying to snipe them all
    • Inteleon trying its best to dodge the Max poison move, even though it failed
      • Inteleon was schmovin
  • Mr. Rime is significantly better than I was expecting
  • Liking that we're seeing way more ability play

Neutrals:
  • I remember someone hoping that there would only be 2 peanut gallery clusters for commentary, too bad now you get 5
  • Apparently Unova has internet everywhere???

Cons:
  • Having Goh leave right before this match will continue to be bizarre until they have a very good reason why
  • We had Leon and Hop in the same room together and still had barely any interaction
  • Nitpick - I disagree with the usage of Power Showdown as the BGM during Mr. Rime vs Gengar

No battle flaws so far, good start. That being said, this is every battle in Journeys, will have to see how the rest of it plays out. Animation overall was pretty solid; Inteleon choreography was the clear standout, and my fears about Cinderace/Inteleon/Mr. Rime were quickly silenced. Cautiously optimistic for the rest of the battle
 
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pickapika

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Hype/build up to the battle was executed quite well. The bit as they're about to face each other might be the best narrative use of sound since the end of dp. Actual battle was a mixed bag. Dande showing dp ash level strategy is an improvement(without all the stupid ****), but ash really is still an idiot.

Dande, sees an attack?, has him flip

Ash, with a pokemon who literally flies, just has him jump up over and over again to avoid a water move

Also, moving the second biggest human character out of the story as the climax underway is pretty odd. Goh doesn't actually have anything to him, so it doesn't really do anything but...that's not exactly an endorsement of how he's been used. I like seeing gangar human friend but all the others just seem random. Why is dawn here? I don't like how "fan-favorites" just fly in at the last minuite with little to no involvement in what's been leading to these moments. And if you're going to have old friends comeback, why not just bring everyone back. They don't need to speak, but having one come out of blue feels completely unearned.

Ultimately most of the damage was done before the episode. Leon is a nobody, and this "when i first battled" flashback they repeat(with no progression of context to justify the repetition) encapsualtes journeys's overarching narrative quite well.
 
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cricketlaxwolvesbandy

cricketlaxwolvesbandy

Summoning...
Sham

Sham

Name a better duo
“Dayz ain’t friendzzzzz”
“She dnt carees nunnin about him”
“Onlyeeee roommates under the same roof”
“Neva dropped out of skool or skipped for his battlez”
“Onlyz wannna b friendz wit Ash bc he’s Goh’s friend

FfmBichWIAU89ZF

Definitely one of the highlights of the battle
 
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Kuzehiko

Kuzehiko

That moment I found a lifetime treasure
LOL
So Leon requested for Ash to solely use all gimmicks while he will only use Dynamax most likely. Leon is so broken that it might take Ash 3 gimmicks to defeat him that assuming he ends up winning.
 
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pickapika

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Sham said:
“Dayz ain’t friendzzzzz”
“She dnt carees nunnin about him”
“Onlyeeee roommates under the same roof”
“Neva dropped out of skool or skipped for his battlez”
“Onlyz wannna b friendz wit Ash bc he’s Goh’s friend

FfmBichWIAU89ZF
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I mean...all of that was true until this episode pretended it wasn't lol
 
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pickapika

Well-Known Member
Kuzehiko said:
LOL
So Leon requested for Ash to solely use all gimmicks while he will only use Dynamax most likely. Leon is so broken that it might take Ash 3 gimmicks to defeat him that assuming he ends up winning.
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wait what? I assumed "i will fight at full power so you should too" was meant to indicate both sides would be using full power, not to mention it would be pretty odd for the ref not to mention it was only allowed for one side.

Would be shockingly horrible writing if Ash and Leon weren't fighting on even terms
 
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pickapika

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cricketlaxwolvesbandy said:
L tweet. JN Ash looks bad compared to XY Ash. XY Ash looks the best and always looks the best.
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bigger eyes and curves suit ash's personaility/characteristics much better(and yes that even applies to xy ash who was also a dumb goofball for most of XY's run-time0

Also on that specific shot, the assymetyry in JN's eye-lash motion is a nice additional level of detail absent in the top shot, even if we pretend stockfish shonen mc is a better look for childhood incarnate
 
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pickapika

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Sham said:
Or she wasn’t up some people’s self inserts butt and somehow that means they’re enemies
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it's not binary lol. The series hasn't actually developed or established any substantial dynamic or motivation at play with her interactions with Ash. There is little reason for her to gaf about ash beyond his status as the main character
 
Sham

Sham

Name a better duo
pickapika said:
it's not binary lol. The series hasn't actually developed or established any substantial dynamic or motivation at play with her interactions with Ash. There is little reason for her to gaf about ash beyond his status as the main character
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Except that time where

  • Traveled to Ballonlea with Ash
  • Travelled to the Crown Tundra with Ash
  • Travelled to Alola with Ash
  • Travelled to Hoenn with Ash
  • Travelled to Johto with Ash
  • Dug up some old fossils with Ash
  • Joked with Dawn about having a friend who’s obsessed with Pokémon
  • Thought about how she’ll Ash and Goh to forest she went to after the MC
No, people are just obsessed she isn’t overly under his butt
 
Eevee903

Eevee903

You are awesome!
The battle was REALLY good. Ash and Leon both used strategies to counter each other. Leon was surprisingly tactical. The tension was right, the feeling of a final battle was there. If the other parts are just as good,this battle will be the best yet to come and worth the wait.
9/10
 
Kuzehiko

Kuzehiko

That moment I found a lifetime treasure
pickapika said:
wait what? I assumed "i will fight at full power so you should too" was meant to indicate both sides would be using full power, not to mention it would be pretty odd for the ref not to mention it was only allowed for one side.

Would be shockingly horrible writing if Ash and Leon weren't fighting on even terms
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True but when he told Ash to face him with everything he's got Leon particularly singled out every single gimmick Ash uses. Leon didn't hint that he might use other gimmicks although you're not wrong. He might use them, I just find it very hard to happen.
Sham said:
FfmBichWIAU89ZF

Definitely one of the highlights of the battle
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Agree.
The fact that they interwined fingers mean that they are close friends. That's what that gesture means in Japan.
 
Joltik-Kid

Joltik-Kid

Careful? Where's the fun in that?
I'll repeat what I posted earlier, it's not Ash's fault that he has more cards in his hand than Leon. Maybe Leon's overconfident, maybe Leon believes it's not fair to limit Ash to having to use a single Trump Card, or maybe Leon wanted to fight Ash at his absolute peak. Regardless of which it ultimately is, I can't say it's really that unfair. Leon represents Galar to a fault, so Dynamax is the only thing he knows and cares about, which is fine. But Ash has gone on a Journey just about everywhere, yeah he's from Pallet Town, yeah he represents his second home the Alola region, but he's earned the ability to use Mega Evolution, the Z-move, and Dynamax, why limit him to a single choice exactly? Because Leon only has 1? Welcome to Shonen guys, the protagonist always needs a transformation or boost of sorts to beat the final boss.
 
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