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Fire Emblem Heroes: Feh Prince of Hel Eir

Discussion in 'Other Video Game Discussion' started by bobjr, Feb 5, 2017.

  1. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    This is just impatience talking but I really wish the BHB repeat and Haar repeat were switched because it's been way too long for this repeat to come. At least it's finally time though.

    I'm mostly certain that the New Heroes banners will be Brave Redux Redux and the start of Book 4 respectively, but also desperately hoping they don't just make the first banner a Book 3 OCs banner and push Brave Redux Redux to December. I don't think that'll be the case since they've been consistently starting the new books in December but we'll find out what the situation is in about a week.

    If that TT unit is Shinon though my grail count is going to suffer immensely. You'd think 1720 grails is a lot but 2700 to +10 a TT unit is so painful.
     
  2. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    If I'm reading the chart correctly, the next New Heroes doesnt have a forging bonds but the one after it does. I am guessing the next one is either a "weird" one or something akin to the Muspell Generals banner or maybe the Surtr/Ylfg banner if Lif is Mythical and they want to give out Gustav & Henriette while the one paired with a Forging Bonds is for Brave Redux

    I'm curious if either of these will add an "extra" unit like they've been doing. I was going to say that if it was a Book 3 banner, (whether that's Lif/Hell/Gustav/Henriette orr just the latter 2) that there'd be no one to add....but this would actually be an interesting way to sneak Bruno in since his base kit is so lackluster these days and dude is toootally getting a super alt as "Zachiaras" or something down the line. Veronica would also be interesting choice, since we already paired up with her AND she has a super version of herself as Thrasir. Kind of funny to start drawing either of them as 3-4*s, though, so maybe not.
    Doing it on Brave redux, I could see it as a way of sneaking in a runner up who they maybe didn't want to deck to the nines. But that's dependent on their criteria.

    Here's a "Top 100 left" update since we're so close and we've actually got a number of these since the last time I did this
    For the gents:
    14 Bruno
    16 Lif
    85 Nils
    86 Shinon
    90 Rath

    Notable gets: Conrad (84), Cormag (92), Python (100).
    Book 3 ended this month and we have a Mythical to get to so Lif being a mythical to pair with Thrasir would make sense. At that point it's just a question of what to do with Bruno. Will they ignore the OCs this time (unlike Loki), sneak him in earlier, make him swole on the skillset? Either way I dont think we're getting BOTH Lif & Bruno so Nils from the men's division seems like a hard lock (power crept Ninian anyone?), just a question of how Shinon gets lucky or not.

    For the ladies:
    5 Anna (Awakening)
    23 Louise
    52 Jill
    56 Rinea
    58 Severa
    65 Rinkah
    66 Anna (Fates)
    67 Illyana
    68 Hel
    74 Charlotte
    77 Lilith
    79 Selena (SS)
    99 Mila

    The only definitive get here is Thrasir (35). Hel is in no risk of being in this banner and she's a literal god so she's definitely going to be on a Mythic sooner or later.
    Since we got seasonal & normal Sigrun in the same year I don't think they'll consider normal Louise as off limits. I dont think Rinea or ILlyana would either, but they're also too far from the top to get in unless they skip out on Anna.
    Now Anna, the question is would they want an alt like this (even if she's rooted in a specific game) on the BR type banners. She's #5 over all, she's literally a runner up to the entire CYL3 poll, so just ignoring her would be kind of crazy though.
    I think if they did add Anna & Louise, Jill would be a great candidate for the "free" 3-4* unit, if they were to do that this banner.
     
  3. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    While I am wary (and paranoid) of the very real possibility of the next banner being a Book 3 OCs banner, my issue with it is that there's no way to make a good banner out of it since every Book 3 OC is green or presumed green except Lif, and it's safe to assume Lif or Hel (or both) will be Mythic or Legendary. Henriette is holding a green tome in her art so she's presumably a green mage, and then Gustav and Hel are both axes, so I doubt they will do a banner with all these since that makes the chances of pulling a green focus way too good. I also don't think we'll see 2 unit banners again since the Surtr/Ylgr banner was a disaster for IS, way too easy to +10 a unit without heavy spending.

    Personally, I think Henriette and Gustav will be ignored and not added immediately, while Hel and Lif will take slots on Mythic banners, or even Legendary in the case of Lif. Alternatively they make Lif steal a Farfetched spot from the male side, since there's no rule saying Lif must be a Mythic just because Thrasir was (see: Male Grima) so I can see that happening here. I also don't think there's a way to make a feasible Tempest Trials with a Book 3 theme if there's a Tempest banner as well, so it just makes the most sense to me that these banners are Farfetched and Book 4 respectively.
     
  4. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    Lif getting weird treatment is always possible, true (see: Ylgr), but Eir is a mythic, Thrasir is a mythic, Hel is absolutely going to be a mythic (she's one of the few actual gods in the series and not just a powerful dragon). It jsut seems right that ultra alfonse goes into the limited bin instead of the permanent one.

    I dunno if the 2 character banner is necessarily a disaster, though. They even did another one a little later with Takumi/Leo. It might even get people who dont normally spend to spend. But the green tome is a problem...I suppose they could just shove the 2 into Legendary banners eventually. Note that Julia uses a red tome in her artwork, but is considered Blue. So might be some wiggle room?

    As for the tempest issue, if we kept it book 3 themed and wanted a separate banner to go with it (do tempest banners usually show up on these btw? its not here but i dunno if that means anything) there is the out of a Loki/Surtr banner (& i dunno maybe laevatein or ylgr or something, keep it realm of the dead themed, see some loved ones). Also it does overlap with the mythic banner, possible avenue for something going on. It also really sticks out to me that this is a New Heroes banner but not one with a Forging Bond. That implies something unusual is happening, because if you're a set of general new heroes (including, notably, Brave Redux last year) you get the bonding since you're "normal".

    Actually I'm going to go look up the mythic/legendary banners, maybe we can get some clues.
     
  5. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    Alrighty here's the estimated timeline through February

    NOVEMBER (Mythic):
    • Red: Sothis, Marth, ???
    • Blue: Julia, Tiki, Fjorm
    • Green: Lyn, ???, ???
    • Colorless: Duma, ???, ???
    DECEMBER (Legendary):
    • Red: Ike, Roy, Hrid
    • Blue: Naga, ???, ???
    • Green: Thrasir, ???, ???
    • Colorless: Grima-F, Eir, ???
    JANUARY (Mythic):
    • Red: Eliwood, ???, ???
    • Blue: Lucina, Ephraim, ???
    • Green: Hector, Yune, ???
    • Colorless: Leif
    FEBRUARY (Legendary):
    • Red: Eirika, ???, ???
    • Blue: Azura, ???, ???
    • Green: Gunnthra, ???, ???
    • Colorless: Leif, ???, ???

    Some notes:
    -Gunnthra was meant to come back in December but got pushed to January on the Leif notices
    -Sothis was meant to come back in October, for Leif's banner, but got pushed to November.
    -Thrasir & Eir show up together in December (Legendary Heroes), while red is completely full (Ike, Roy, Hrid)
    -We have no one on deck for March but Ryoma is coming in April.

    Thrasir & Eir being saved for December does make me think the overlap being used for the tempest might be off base. But Fjorm could slot in, everyone gets a free Eir anyway, and Red could be Lif or green could be Hel. Maybe? I dunno, Legendary December having the 2 big Book 3 OCs instead of Mythic November really sticking to me here.
     
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2019 at 7:28 PM
  6. Sonic Boom

    Sonic Boom @JohanSSB4 Twitter

    A banner not being Farfetched doesn't mean it's gotta be Book 4.

    The real reason people were upset over the Adrift Banner was because it was entirely Fates focused and there were no demotions. There wasn't really a vocal complaint with the Adrift theme itself. The theme - or something new - could find its way back this year too, and be situated this month or next.

    You know people would be all in on an Adrift version of Genealogy Gen 1 characters.
     
  7. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    the alts in question being Camilla #5 and Corrins #3 sure didn't help. Azura was also on her 4th or so alt but she was so staggeringly different I give her a pass.
     
  8. Dragalge

    Dragalge <- Zoruagible’s favorite

    You guys are talking about when the next Farfetched Heroes banner is when the real question should be where is Hall of Forms at on the calendar. A nigh-perfect mode and we have to probably wait another month to play it again. =(
     
  9. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    lost lore is...cute, but really should not take an event slot all its own. It should overlap with everything like tap battle does and Hall of Forms should be in constant rotation
     
  10. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

  11. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    I see they finally got smart to us using the preview icons as a way to guess the next banners
     
  12. Dragalge

    Dragalge <- Zoruagible’s favorite

    I hope Book IV can take the direction even better then what Book III did. Let the new hero appears more like Fjorm but has something interesting like Eir (and actually do stuff too). Finally, pace it well for 13 chapters well as best as one can! Book III started very well but then got such a rushed ending with the final fight against Hel being an afterthought although it was at least better than Book II.

    Speaking of Hel, what realm could we possibly go next? They still have to do something with Thor.
     
  13. Psynergy

    Psynergy Strong Winds Staff Member Super Mod

    I guess this means it's safe to assume the December banner is the start of Book 4, which means we can probably expect a FEH Channel at the end of the month. That only leaves the question of whether the next banner is Farfetched or they decide to give us a Book 3 OCs banner after all, though I do think the former is still more likely. There's still ways to fit the relevant Book 3 OCs elsewhere, Hel and Lif can be Mythic/Legendary and the latter can steal a Farfetched spot if they want him to. Henriette is still alive and can easily still be relevant to the story so she doesn't need to be added anyway, Gustav...could be a fit for Fallen Heroes 3 I suppose.

    I do like that they had a lot more story spaced out throughout the parts of this last chapter so if they keep that up for Book 4 I think there's some potential. Even though it's taking an absurdly long time, they are still slowly improving at the story and dialogue aspect of this game. Forging Bonds is still continuing to be fantastic lately, for one.
     
  14. R_N

    R_N Well-Known Member

    God yes the pacing is still a problem. Honestly the Lif adventure would have been perfectly fine if Lif was the main villain OR we had more time with Hel after. It's still better than Book 2's clownshoes pacing but that's a low bar to clear. Remember how they shared that concept art about storming the realm of the dead, the literal Hel, to combat Hel? And how we were only in Hel for like idk 4 chapters total including this last one? We were in Askr, both invaded & fallen, far longer. And most of being in Hel was that spooky forest.

    And Eir kind of took a backseat during that time period too. I thought for sure she was the heart or weapon that came out of this but I guess not. Loki also seemed like she should have been more important considering the Xenlogue preceding this whole affair and how the book 3 intro shows that Loki (and knowing Loki, that might have been "our" Loki too) was with them in the alternate bad future. Also as interesting as that opening video and art piece was, and the equally interesting idea of it being the fallen timeline's events, I feel like it was writing checks on interesting events that the state of FEH cutscenes cannot cash.

    Anyway my big suggestion is if you can't pace well enough for 13 chapters...have more than 13 chapters. If you don't want to bring the goofy paralogue alts into your serious trips to hel that's fine. How about 2 or 3-map mini chapters that go up at the same time? Dip into our extended existing cast for fodder and have some plot happen. How interesting would it have been if we had a few more chapters in the Hel kingdom before following Lif and we got to fight someone like Surtr or Gunnthra?
    alternatively, just have book 3 end on Lif and book 4 is dealing with Hel proper. We're going to start book 4 within like 2 updates so....
     
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  15. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

    Has any free mobile game ever been story heavy.

    EDIT: Giving Dull Close 3 to Luke with his prf refine active makes him always trigger his refine effect against close-combat foes.
     
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2019 at 4:36 PM
  16. AuraChannelerChris

    AuraChannelerChris "Am I supposed to laugh?"

  17. Taodragon

    Taodragon Training Anaylst

    To add to this, also get rid of the whole 'here's the new hero popping in, battle them!' in-between chapters. They've done it since Book 1 and aside from that one paralogue with Nino's letter and Seth I don't think they've added anything of note to the story. If they're going to keep the books at 13 Chapters, then at least get rid of the fluff, that's time that could be spent more on developing the plot and characters.
     

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