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Hello to those who remember me! To those who don't, you might have seen my warstory, that one with Seaking. I have been gone for a very long time and I have totally neglected research on Pokemon for about a year. I am not quite aware of how the tiers have changed, so if you, Blue_Harvest, happen along this thread I would greatly appreciate a synopsis.
For those who just want to rate, go ahead. Those who want to give me a great rating, please subject yourself to about 5 minutes of boring reading by opening the spoiler. This will help explain exactly what I'm looking for.
Since true leads have essential died out from what I can tell, I'll just start with staples and go from there.
~ Substitute Thunder Wave Jirachi ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Jolly (Adamant?)
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Head
- Fire PunchThis guy is annoying. I'm sure you all know that. I've been using this set for a long time and it's a staple in all my teams, specifically because I already have one made and ready. It also annoys the hell out of most Pokemon and beats opponents that it probably shouldn't. This slot will not change.
~ Roost Swords Dance Scizor ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Attack / 60 Speed
- Roost
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Brick BreakI still have yet to find a sweeper as reliable as Scizor. During the last few months of 4th Gen I was using this set like crazy because it was sweeping for me more effectively than anything I had used before. However, I believe he is no longer the monster that he used to be, so his moveset is open to change. If I do not run this, I would switch Swords Dance out for U-Turn and switch a Life Orb in on him (perhaps with a change in EVs too due to my inadequate understanding of the current Speed tiers). If he's not sweeping, he's going to be U-Turning.
~ Choice Scarf Tyranitar ~
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Sandstream
EVs: 220 Attack / 36 Special Defense / 248 Speed
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Fire BlastFrom my experience, my old bulky Rest/Sleep Talk Tyranitar set that I adopted from Ace a long time ago is a bit dated and not quite as useful. This way I can shoot down Latios and Starmie as they would otherwise hurt my team. Since Terrakion is checked twice, and Jellicent takes care of Infernape, I used the last slot for Fire Blast to catch standard Tyranitar switch-ins off guard. It 2HKO's Skarmory, Ferrothorn, and Breloom while OHKOing Scizor. Special Defense is set to reliably take a +1 Bug Buzz from Volcarona.
~ Utility Counter Jellicent ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Defense / 84 Speed
- Toxic
- Recover
- Taunt
- ScaldAfter some pondering, and the constant assurance from other raters that I was indeed incredibly weak to Fighting-types, I decided Jellicent would work nicely. I settled on Toxic to deal with Suicune and get Latios/Latias switches. I was iffy on Taunt until I looked at how it would help my team practically, and using it to neuter Skarmory, Vaporeon, CM Suicune, Curse Snorlax, and other slow Pokemon will be very helpful. In conjunction with Ferrothorn, I can hopefully rack up plenty of EHs early on while preventing my opponent from removing them.
~ Bulk Up Conkeldurr ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Guts
EVs: 4 Defense / 252 Attack / 252 Special Defense
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Stone EdgeI've always wanted to use Conkeldurr but never really had the opportunity. As a back up/late game sweeper, I feel this guy can pull his own weight. I wanted to be a bit more prepared for bulky Special Attack based sponges, so I went with a very high investment into Special Defense. This guy will also deal with Curse Lax without too much of a problem. At the same time, it makes each Drain Punch recover a higher % which can help if I manage to get burned or poisoned.
~ Entry Hazard Ferrothorn ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Defense / 168 Special Defense
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Power WhipI ditched Cloyster in favor of this big, spiked lug. Since he may have opportunities to set up multiple layers of entry hazards, I decided to use Spikes instead of Gyro Ball or Protect. If I find I don't have time for Spikes, I can always switch it. I love Leech Seed as it gives you the advantage of easing your switch-outs and hindering the foe's switch-ins. Power Whip is to help my lack of offense towards Water-types.
And that's the team. Overall, I have a weakness to Fighting-type, but only Choice Scarf Terrakion or Mienshao will end my team. Both I can threaten with Scizor and Conkeldurr, but I know neither of them are reliable answers. Otherwise, Tyranitar should be able to revenge kill most of them. An answer to my Fighting-type weakness would be appreciated. I might be able to remove Tyranitar for something else that can still deal with Latios and take down Lucario.
Thanks everyone!
Hello to those who remember me! To those who don't, you might have seen my warstory, that one with Seaking. I have been gone for a very long time and I have totally neglected research on Pokemon for about a year. I am not quite aware of how the tiers have changed, so if you, Blue_Harvest, happen along this thread I would greatly appreciate a synopsis.
For those who just want to rate, go ahead. Those who want to give me a great rating, please subject yourself to about 5 minutes of boring reading by opening the spoiler. This will help explain exactly what I'm looking for.
Though I had been playing competitively for about 3 years, I never really built a live team. And when I did, it just turned out to be a bunch of random crap I threw together to battle friends. So now that I'm waiting for Nintendo to have a project for me to work on, I'm totally bored and can see myself investing some time into breeding and all the boring things that I don't like to do.
IF you have pokeSAV, PLEASE GOD contact me! Though some of my work friends will not play me if I SAV my Pokemon, I don't see any harm in having a few perfect Dittos to help speed things up.
Anyways, so now I'm looking to build a team. I want to play like I used to, which is bulky offense in the sand. While I still want to use Nidoking, I'd mostly like a team I'm comfortable with. This means I would like to use Tyranitar, the annoying as hell Jirachi, and my staple Scizor. On top of this, unless I can get someone with SAV, please do not suggest things that take tons and tons of effort to obtain or breed (ex: no Seismic Toss Blissey).
In terms of threats, while I'd like to handle everything, I know I will not be facing everything. There are only a few threats that I really want to look out for, and those are:
- CM Suicune
- Shell Smash Cloyster
- Curse Snorlax
- Timid Latios
These are my top priority. So now that you all know, or rather you who made time to read this, on to the team.
IF you have pokeSAV, PLEASE GOD contact me! Though some of my work friends will not play me if I SAV my Pokemon, I don't see any harm in having a few perfect Dittos to help speed things up.
Anyways, so now I'm looking to build a team. I want to play like I used to, which is bulky offense in the sand. While I still want to use Nidoking, I'd mostly like a team I'm comfortable with. This means I would like to use Tyranitar, the annoying as hell Jirachi, and my staple Scizor. On top of this, unless I can get someone with SAV, please do not suggest things that take tons and tons of effort to obtain or breed (ex: no Seismic Toss Blissey).
In terms of threats, while I'd like to handle everything, I know I will not be facing everything. There are only a few threats that I really want to look out for, and those are:
- CM Suicune
- Shell Smash Cloyster
- Curse Snorlax
- Timid Latios
These are my top priority. So now that you all know, or rather you who made time to read this, on to the team.
Since true leads have essential died out from what I can tell, I'll just start with staples and go from there.
~ Substitute Thunder Wave Jirachi ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Jolly (Adamant?)
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Speed
- Substitute
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Head
- Fire Punch
~ Roost Swords Dance Scizor ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Technician
EVs: 196 HP / 252 Attack / 60 Speed
- Roost
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Punch
- Brick Break
~ Choice Scarf Tyranitar ~
Item: Choice Scarf
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Sandstream
EVs: 220 Attack / 36 Special Defense / 248 Speed
- Pursuit
- Crunch
- Stone Edge
- Fire Blast
~ Utility Counter Jellicent ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Bold
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 176 Defense / 84 Speed
- Toxic
- Recover
- Taunt
- Scald
~ Bulk Up Conkeldurr ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Guts
EVs: 4 Defense / 252 Attack / 252 Special Defense
- Bulk Up
- Drain Punch
- Mach Punch
- Stone Edge
~ Entry Hazard Ferrothorn ~
Item: Leftovers
Nature: Impish
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Defense / 168 Special Defense
- Spikes
- Stealth Rock
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
And that's the team. Overall, I have a weakness to Fighting-type, but only Choice Scarf Terrakion or Mienshao will end my team. Both I can threaten with Scizor and Conkeldurr, but I know neither of them are reliable answers. Otherwise, Tyranitar should be able to revenge kill most of them. An answer to my Fighting-type weakness would be appreciated. I might be able to remove Tyranitar for something else that can still deal with Latios and take down Lucario.
Thanks everyone!
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