For All Things Gay: Views on Homosexuality

[CSolarstorm]

I think there's a problem with just stereotyping minorities in general. Nobody really wants to be around a stereotype incarnate. Other people might harbor similar racist opinions that they don't like people who are "too black" and so on for other minorities. Just look at Game Change. The truth is some people do act exactly like people expect them to. That may be a small slice of those people, but the group as a whole continue to get judged like that. For example, I'm handicapped, and when some people see me, they automatically think I live on pity and want everyone to do things for me. I know there are probably handicapped people who are like that so I understand. It's still wrong.

But for a group that parades itself and relies on awareness and continual reminders that "we're here" and "accept us" to achieve political influence, their public image comes off as a little assertive, needy, or perhaps insertive and people think of them as a direct affront to their own standards. I think that's what the gay rights movement, in fact, works towards - challenging people's standards. So it's not surprising some people say "We're okay with gays," but add in the clause, "but not people who are TOO gay" because they're already been aggrevated by this campaign. It's like seeing a commercial you don't care about over and over again and having a bad impression of the product. I'm sure a lot more people would be gay rights activists, if not for the difference between caring about people's rights, and accepting the philosophy of it. Some people just aren't willing to change their basic beliefs.

 

[Dawn_Hero]

I don't see what's wrong with men or women being gay/lesbian. If it doesn't hurt you, why stick your nose into it? Unless they're specifically hitting on a person who isn't gay/lesbian, then I don't see why anyone has any right to get angry. I understand that Gay/Lesbian Marriage isn't allowed and I understand that, actually. Marriage is something made by churches, so if they aren't for gay rights, why should they allow them to be married? However, I do think Gay/Lesbian couples should be able to get the equivalent of a marriage. I've heard a lot about domestic parternships and the like, and I think it's a good idea. Give them all the benefits of marriage with a different title. It's perfect. No one should be angry over that. Again, it goes back to 1) It doesn't affect you, so you have no reason to make it your business and 2) It's not going against your religion per se, so there's no specific reason to stop them from doing it other than hatred.

Now, I also understand why some people don't want gay/lesbian couples to adopt. It can be hard for the baby growing up with two mothers or fathers, and they'd more than likely be made fun of for it and even discriminated themselves for their parents' sexual orientation. However, if they love that baby like a parent would, why stop them from doing it? If children are made fun of for it, it says more about the children doing it than the child itself. As long as it's loved, that's all that matters.

Finally, discrimination always has been and always will be, especially against Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual people. I heard a rumor (I don't know if it's true or not) that in Virginia, people can actually fire employees if they're gay legally. That doesn't seem right to me. I think people need to learn more about treating others with kindness before Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual people can really hold their heads up high in society. It all comes back to if it doesn't hurt you, stay out of their business.

 

[Tim the turtle]

It's perfect. No one should be angry over that.

"Instead of being man and wife, you'll be buttbuddies. Instead of being married, you'll be buttbuddied."

 

[Dawn_Hero]

"Instead of being man and wife, you'll be buttbuddies. Instead of being married, you'll be buttbuddied."

Your sarcasm set aside, I don't see what would be bad about that. Call them domestic partners, husband and husband or wife and wife, it doesn't matter what you call it. I just think as long as they get their own version of marriage, that should be alright, shouldn't it? I mean, when actual marriage (from what I understand) is tied to religion, which normally condemns gay rights, then it would be a lot less problematic for everyone to offer it with a different name to please everyone.

 

[Fused]

Your sarcasm set aside, I don't see what would be bad about that. Call them domestic partners, husband and husband or wife and wife, it doesn't matter what you call it. I just think as long as they get their own version of marriage, that should be alright, shouldn't it? I mean, when actual marriage (from what I understand) is tied to religion, which normally condemns gay rights, then it would be a lot less problematic for everyone to offer it with a different name to please everyone.

Marriage entails certain legal aspects that other unions do not include.

But really, it isn't what you call it, it comes down to a matter of acceptance. No one actually gives a flying **** if you call it marriage or not, its a matter of treating gays as every other normal functioning member of society. I know everyone likes to get their panties in a bunch when racism is brought up, however its a perfect example: in the mid-1900s, there were "White Drinking Fountains" and "Colored Drinking Fountains." In the modern age, there is "Marriage" and, in some places, "Civil Unions." It's the case of separate but equal which we all know aren't actually considered equal.

 

[Fused]

Your sarcasm set aside, I don't see what would be bad about that. Call them domestic partners, husband and husband or wife and wife, it doesn't matter what you call it. I just think as long as they get their own version of marriage, that should be alright, shouldn't it? I mean, when actual marriage (from what I understand) is tied to religion, which normally condemns gay rights, then it would be a lot less problematic for everyone to offer it with a different name to please everyone.

Marriage entails certain legal aspects that other unions do not include.

But really, it isn't what you call it, it comes down to a matter of acceptance. No one actually gives a flying **** if you call it marriage or not, its a matter of treating gays as every other normal functioning member of society. I know everyone likes to get their panties in a bunch when racism is brought up, however its a perfect example: in the mid-1900s, there were "White Drinking Fountains" and "Colored Drinking Fountains." In the modern age, there is "Marriage" and, in some places, "Civil Unions." It's the case of separate but equal which we all know aren't actually considered equal.

 

[Jay star]

Your sarcasm set aside, I don't see what would be bad about that. Call them domestic partners, husband and husband or wife and wife, it doesn't matter what you call it. I just think as long as they get their own version of marriage, that should be alright, shouldn't it? I mean, when actual marriage (from what I understand) is tied to religion, which normally condemns gay rights, then it would be a lot less problematic for everyone to offer it with a different name to please everyone.

EXACTLY MY POINT OF VIEW... Didnt mean to have caps on but I think it works lol

Marriage entails certain legal aspects that other unions do not include.

But really, it isn't what you call it, it comes down to a matter of acceptance. No one actually gives a flying **** if you call it marriage or not, its a matter of treating gays as every other normal functioning member of society. I know everyone likes to get their panties in a bunch when racism is brought up, however its a perfect example: in the mid-1900s, there were "White Drinking Fountains" and "Colored Drinking Fountains." In the modern age, there is "Marriage" and, in some places, "Civil Unions." It's the case of separate but equal which we all know aren't actually considered equal.

Though to be honest Fused makes a very good point...

But at the same time I understand that people think of marriage as a union based in religion, a union between a man and a woman. I guess I can understand people getting all moody about that but I think that there should be a union which gives the exact same legal rights and that should be what all couples outside of religion have.

If your in a religion which marriage is an option, thats what you do. If you arent religious then you have some other form of union, that sounds fair to me, however complicated it sounds lol

 

[Jb]

Theres a Blood Drive at my school next week and I think its messed up how gays arent allowed to give blood.

 

[Jay star]

Theres a Blood Drive at my school next week and I think its messed up how gays arent allowed to give blood.

lol you mean the way it has a section in the form you sign that says "if your a man fill in the section below" and in that bit it has alot of things saying about if you have done ... well things with another man and how if you tick them you cant give blood, in the womans bit it says if you've done thing's with a man who has done thing's with another man they cant give blood either. I dont get why since they take a small piece of blood to test for infections and sti's and the like.

 

[7 tyranitars]

Theres a Blood Drive at my school next week and I think its messed up how gays arent allowed to give blood

and that makes sence why? since HIV and other STD are not only for gay people

 

[interstellas]

Theres a Blood Drive at my school next week and I think its messed up how gays arent allowed to give blood.

What makes them think that only gays aren't allowed to donate blood?
Homosexual or not, someone is bound to have STD, HIV, etc. in them. ;/

 

[houndourm]

I think 'tis someones life decision if they choose to be gay they can't help who they fall in love with, I think it's ALMOST like the rights for black people they should get it and have every right to the same rights as eveyone else. But they will never be entirely free of descrimination vut I think everyone should be treated equally

 

[Trainmaster718]

I'm straight myself, and I have no problem whatsoever with gay people. Sure, I spot them out easily in crouds and wonder what led them to make such a life-changing decision, but I never treat them badly.

And as my own little rant, I hate it so much that people stereotype all gays as sex-crazed weirdos. Being gay seems to me like a whole lot more than sex, and you shouldn't imagine that just because they are homosexual, doesn't mean they've had gay sex.

/rant

 

[Fused]

wonder what led them to make such a life-changing decision, but I never treat them badly.

You can stop wondering. It's not a choice.

 

[7 tyranitars]

^perhaps he ment how did they found out/discover did it just happend that they found out
was it in a instant etc.. <-- don't get this wrong I KNOW it's NOT a choice
although I'm straight I can imagine it to be hard to accept for some people.

 

[Glaziola]

Whether homosexuality is wrong or not it should not always be the case. But even so, I find it hard to not accept a person for who they are. I just think it's inhuman to shun or shame a human because of their sexuality. LIFE style is an exception. Rapists, Child molesters, etc., are shameful additions to any society.

Unless if you're homosexual or bi, you're never going to know how they feel about Gay rights issues. I'm 100% for Gay rights and I'm heterosexual. As for any situation involving humans being treated unfairly, the saying "take a walk in their shoes", really takes it's toll. People need to grow up and look past the gender and sex of a person, so they can see the one thing that matters: Love.

On a side note, my diabetic friend cannot donate blood. I never have given blood, but I have signed up. They do ask if you have had sex and what not. I still think asking any sexual questions is wrong. They can merely check your blood for disease whether you tell them you've had sex or not.

 

[Alkaide]

From what I've heard, a lot of homosexuals tend to dislike bisexuals.

Why is that? Since hearing about that, I've always wondered why.

Well I think it's because some gay people think that bisexuals just aren't willing to admit that they're fully gay. I still haven't decided what I am. I refer to myself as gay when in conversation, but if I'm telling someone for the first time, I'll specify that I'm bisexual. I think I'm way more interested in men than women, and I hardly feel anything for women at all. But every once in a while I'll get this sudden, annoying urge for a girl. It's so annoying, I wish I could just say I was gay, it would be so much easier to explain.

I realize that for most it's homophobia, but personally, I think it's annoying that gay people have to act like the media classically portrays the stereotypical gay--with a specific voice and stance and personality. I haven't ever understood why some gay people act like that.

Well, for some gay people, it's just natural. Some people do act like that on purpose, but for others, it's natural. I stand in "girly" ways, but I don't even know I'm doing it until someone points it out. I stand how I stand. And with the talking, I try to keep my "gay-sounding voice" under control, but I really just can't do anything about it. I just naturally speak like that.

 

[randomspot555]

I've never heard of gays or lesbians disliking or hating those that are bisexual. Cultural events are usually promoted as GLBT (Gays, Lesbians, Bisexual, and Transgendered) events. When talking about the culture, they're largely the same, regardless of if it's promoting the culture or deriding it.

Straight from the AP:

Lesbian teen in prom flap sues, returns to school

By SHELIA BYRD (AP) – 46 minutes ago

JACKSON, Miss. — Constance McMillen didn't believe her Mississippi school district would really call off her senior prom rather than allow her to show up with her girlfriend and wear a tuxedo. On Thursday, a day after the Itawamba County school board did just that, the 18-year-old lesbian high school senior reluctantly returned to campus to some unfriendly looks, she said.

"Somebody said, 'Thanks for ruining my senior year.'" McMillen said.

The district announced Wednesday it wouldn't host the April 2 prom. The decision came after the American Civil Liberties Union demanded that officials change a policy banning same-sex prom dates because it violated students' rights. And the ACLU said the district not letting McMillen wear a tuxedo violated her free expression rights.

The ACLU filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Oxford to force the school district to sponsor the prom and allow McMillen to bring whom she chooses and wear what she wants.

District officials didn't returned numerous calls left by The Associated Press seeking comment on Thursday.

McMillen said she never expected the district to respond the way it did.

"A lot of people said that was going to happen, but I said, they had already spent too much money on the prom" to cancel it, she said. "I'm just trying to get done what I originally wanted done. Now, we're having to fight just to have a prom."

McMillen said she didn't want to go back to Itawamba County Agricultural High School in Fulton the morning after the decision, but her father told her she needed to face her classmates, teachers and school officials.

"My daddy told me that I needed to show them that I'm still proud of who I am," McMillen told The Associated Press in a telephone interview. "The fact that this will help people later on, that's what's helping me to go on."

A school board statement said it wouldn't host the event in Fulton, "due to the distractions to the educational process caused by recent events" but never mentioned McMillen or her girlfriend, who also is a student at the school.

Same-sex prom dates and cross-dressing are new issues for many high schools around the country, said Daryl Presgraves, a spokesman for GLSEN: Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, a Washington-based advocacy group.

"A lot of schools actually react rather than do the research and find out what the rights of these students are," said Presgraves, who was preparing to facilitate a discussion about anti-gay bullying at a National Association of Secondary School Principals meeting.

U.S. Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., said a bill he's introduced in Congress would protect students such as McMillen. Polis said the measure would make it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian school students. He said his bill is modeled after similar laws in at least 10 states.

"This situation with the prom is a perfect example of why we need to protect students from discrimination. In this case it's a prom. It other cases, it's getting beaten up or killed," Polis said.

Polis said he was "dismayed" by the school board's action.

"They ruined the prom, not only for this young woman, but for all of the straight kids at the school," he said.

The school district had said it hoped a privately sponsored prom could be held. McMillen said if that happens, she's sure she'll be excluded.

"It's a small town in Mississippi, and it's run by an older generation with money. Most of them are more conservative and they don't agree with it," she said.

Fulton Mayor Paul Walker said he supports the school district's decision and knew of no private efforts to host the prom.

"I think the community as a whole is probably in support of the school district," Walker said of the town of about 4,000.

Southside Baptist Church Pastor Bobby Crenshaw said he's seen the South portrayed as "backwards" on Web sites discussing the issue, "but a lot more people here have biblically based values."

Itawamba County is a rural area of about 23,000 people in north Mississippi near the Alabama state line. It's near Pontotoc County, Miss., where more than a decade ago school officials were sued in federal court over their practice of student-led intercom prayer and Bible classes.

A couple of students had different reactions to the decision.

Anna Watson, a 17-year-old junior at the high school, was looking forward to the prom, especially since the town's only hotspot is the bowling alley, she said.

"I am a little bummed out about it. I guess it's a decision that had to be made. Either way someone was going to get disappointed — either Constance was or we were," Watson said. "I don't agree with homosexuality, but I can't change what another person thinks or does."

McKenzie Chaney, 16, said she wasn't planning to attend the prom, but "it's kind of ridiculous that they can't let her wear the tuxedo and it all be over with."

Presgraves said his organization hears about school districts that prohibit same-sex prom dates and gay-straight alliance clubs at schools. He said those kind of policies are detrimental to gay students.

"It sends a message that these students shouldn't be treated the same," Presgraves said.

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Well, this is disgusting. I think McMillen did everything by-the-book. She went to the school administration first so a prolonged legal battle wouldn't have to occur. They refused to budge and instead of dealing with the situation, the school district took the ball and went home.

This doesn't entirely surprise me though. A brief google search shows a stunning number of cases where schools ban service animals despite federal law saying service animals can go anywhere their owner can go.

And to the fiscal conservatives reading this, remember that the school district will be spending money on a prolonged legal battle (instead of education) on a situation they could've handled with a few minor changes to administrative policy.

 

[Fused]

"They aren't backwards, they're just religious."

Great message; let's throw all religious junkies under the bus...

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Well, this is disgusting. I think McMillen did everything by-the-book. She went to the school administration first so a prolonged legal battle wouldn't have to occur. They refused to budge and instead of dealing with the situation, the school district took the ball and went home.

This doesn't entirely surprise me though. A brief google search shows a stunning number of cases where schools ban service animals despite federal law saying service animals can go anywhere their owner can go.

And to the fiscal conservatives reading this, remember that the school district will be spending money on a prolonged legal battle (instead of education) on a situation they could've handled with a few minor changes to administrative policy.

i thought guys liked lesbians. I guess it's true - homophobes are gay.

Really not surprising. I mean, sorry South, but you really aren't ones to break the status quo.

I mean, the school district is extremely stupid about cancelling an entire high school prom because of two couples, which will probably increase the hateful climate towards the two lesbians, which could lead to violence and even more lawsuits than what is already being presented. I saw this over at Yahoo! - man, some people are real idiots; one even called these girls as "special individuals calling for special needs." They wanted to go to prom! How is that a special need?

It could be worse though; they could try to remove sexual orientation from the anti-discrimination list which of course would make gays exempt to more bullying in school or students could be expelled for sexual orientation, even if it isn't really their fault or you could have a religious nutjob use false studies to influence an entire country to imprison or execute gays.

But none of that could actually happen right?

 

[iColorfulEevee]

Well, for some gay people, it's just natural. Some people do act like that on purpose, but for others, it's natural. I stand in "girly" ways, but I don't even know I'm doing it until someone points it out. I stand how I stand. And with the talking, I try to keep my "gay-sounding voice" under control, but I really just can't do anything about it. I just naturally speak like that.

Same here, but I don't try to keep it under control, I feel soooo much better without trying to be someone I'm not ( not that you are~~ ;3 ), except for in front of my parents... Haven't told them yet...

I don't see what's wrong with men or women being gay/lesbian. If it doesn't hurt you, why stick your nose into it? Unless they're specifically hitting on a person who isn't gay/lesbian, then I don't see why anyone has any right to get angry. I understand that Gay/Lesbian Marriage isn't allowed and I understand that, actually. Marriage is something made by churches, so if they aren't for gay rights, why should they allow them to be married? However, I do think Gay/Lesbian couples should be able to get the equivalent of a marriage. I've heard a lot about domestic parternships and the like, and I think it's a good idea. Give them all the benefits of marriage with a different title. It's perfect. No one should be angry over that. Again, it goes back to 1) It doesn't affect you, so you have no reason to make it your business and 2) It's not going against your religion per se, so there's no specific reason to stop them from doing it other than hatred.

Now, I also understand why some people don't want gay/lesbian couples to adopt. It can be hard for the baby growing up with two mothers or fathers, and they'd more than likely be made fun of for it and even discriminated themselves for their parents' sexual orientation. However, if they love that baby like a parent would, why stop them from doing it? If children are made fun of for it, it says more about the children doing it than the child itself. As long as it's loved, that's all that matters.

Finally, discrimination always has been and always will be, especially against Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual people. I heard a rumor (I don't know if it's true or not) that in Virginia, people can actually fire employees if they're gay legally. That doesn't seem right to me. I think people need to learn more about treating others with kindness before Gay, Lesbian and Bisexual people can really hold their heads up high in society. It all comes back to if it doesn't hurt you, stay out of their business.

Ooh!! That's a good one! I never thought of that! xD Thus, I am proud to present you with the Nobel Peace Prize! Also, I don't understand why the government even brings religion into politics I mean its the GOVERNMENT not the CHURCH. If there were more *possibly* crazy religious activists out there we would all be back in the Middle Ages... Making paintings of God and spreading the hate and not the love for people that don't agree with you on everything about religion! Ok that's a bit of an exaggeration but y'know what I mean~~

Also I've recently read a story about some policemen who found out that a military sgt. was lesbian by searching in her house ( through windows ) and seeing a same-sex marriage documet. They then intentionally told the military and she was discharged. She was still following the ridiculous "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and she was discharged because some third-party member decided to ruin her life? Seriously, nobody deserves this crap and for the military to discharge her even though she was still following the rules, some messed up world we live in.... Hopefully it'll get better soon.