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For all things relative to politics.

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by Ethan, Nov 7, 2008.

  1. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    Perhaps this thread will best serve us in covering any and all political events inside and around the United States, generally speaking. President Barack Obama commands an army that practically dominates North America and a navy that can easily access the Pacific and Atlantic Oceans at once, and our two national neighbors seem quite friendly. In fact, one of them is so friendly that its people seem eager to move in with us. Both neighbors may be paying attention to the political currents coursing through Washington, D.C., at this moment, trying to determine where Obama and his advisors will drift next. A couple of Fox News Channel health care headlines may give us a few clues about this latest direction.:

    Fox News Channel: Battle Lines Drawn Over Government Health Plan
    Fox News Channel: Dodd Resists Tax on Health Care Benefits, Calls Proposal 'Unnecessary'

    While Robert Reischauer of the Urban Institute proposes allowing the private sector to bend the cost curve and then unlocking some sort of authority for a public health care plan if that private option fails, Lee Nichols of the New America Foundation notes the basic function of keeping premiums reasonable. However, whereas Iowa Senator Tom Harkin believes that a public plan is vitally important in this matter, Utah Senator Orrin Hatch believes that a governmental takeover of health care will be certain once said public plan is implemented. Meanwhile, Connecticut Senator Chris Dodd has advised against taxing employer-provided health benefits, despite Montana Senator Max Baucus’ argument for it. Add in Vice-President Joe Biden’s support for this public plan, and one might guess that the Democrats are attempting to tackle multiple viewpoints and courses of action at once. Yet, the American Medical Association may have a problem about this public plan, and they’re not staying quiet about their objections.:

    Hot Air: Ed Morrissey: Doctors oppose “public plan” in ObamaCare

    The AMA would prefer legislation that leverages private insurance, citing many doctors’ explicit rejection of Medicare, but to explain their basic argument, if Obama’s public plan goes through, then private insurers will end up forced out of health care completely, leaving a single-payer plan as the only option “by default”, to quote Ed Morrissey. One might sense that this political junkie is simply endeavoring to explain the various sides to health care as a political issue inside the United States, and I will certainly welcome the freedom to do so. However, should my favorite early 21st century villain’s current electoral coup accelerate, Obama might have greater trouble in even explaining his position. I can only wonder how far this health care debate will progress this week.
  2. Carlisle

    Carlisle BAM

    You know who I think should run and get the Democratic Nomination in 2012? Well, Hillary Clinton, but a more probable candidate would be Kirsten Gillibrand.

    I think what drew away from Huckabee was his extreme social conservatism. He's against marriage for same sex couples, he is even against civil unions, he is against abortion, women in combat.
    "In 1992, Huckabee said that "homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk" In 1992 he advocated AIDs inflicted people to be isolated and of course he wants to strongly force in religion. BUT, we have nothing to worry about, as we know he won't make it far.

    I disagree entirely. Abortion on all terms is a medical procedure. If we're going to vote on one medical procedure, we might as well vote on all of them. The Catholic church is against birth control, so should we vote on whether a man should be allowed to have a vasetomy?

    I do agree voters should have more stands on some issue, like marijuana. It's a gray area and it's been proven to be less harmful than alcohol. But many times people are largerly misinformed and easily persuaded. So lets say we have this drug, and it cures weight problems. However, it can cause very dangerous side effects such as massive bleeding and liver failure. It is legal in ...Pakistan lets say, but the FDA declares it illegal in the US, as they are the experts. Should we have a vote if this medication should be allowed or not?

    I say this: Legalize civil unions, and at the very least, let the states decide on the title.

    Well, it's not even an issue now a week later. People are dropping it and moving on to more important things.

    Sounds fair enough.

    I see what you mean. In my neck of the woods, racism isn't a common daily thing to see as most of the community is white. Minorities are uncommon. So I haven't been exposed to it as much, so I have different feelings and a perspective of it from the outside.

    Since when did Bush have a 90% approval rating? It was higher than Obama's, but not that high.

    I actually hope that the Universal Health Care Bill does not make it through. I believe it will not be done properly.

    Ha, show me some of Obama's gaffs. :D

    Karen Bass: Don't Blame Blacks on Prop 8
    There IS a generation gap between the black community on this issue.
  3. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    Hot Air: Ed Morrissey: Lieberman opposes public plan in ObamaCare

    Add Connecticut Senator Joe Lieberman to the voices of skepticism about Obama’s health care initiative. He sees plenty of competition in the insurance market already, and he argues that a public (a.k.a. government-sponsored) insurance plan would only open the door for a single-payer system, and perhaps he’ll get some help from the American Medical Association in developing his overall argument… if not from four of the five most-widely-circulated newspapers in America. Such a lack of focus on this public plan as a front-page candidate might be odd, and that may be putting it mildly.:

    Cybercast News Service: Four of Top Five U.S. Newspapers Buried Story on Obama’s Call for Government-Owned Health Insurance Company

    Of these story burials, the biggest one belongs to -- you guessed it -- The New York Times, placing the story on its 16th page. Meanwhile, The Washington Post mentioned granting exemptions to small businesses in order to let them provide health care themselves and seemed to lean toward a national health care requirement that Obama could muster by October, perhaps giving an impression of speed for this public plan. If health care seems to be the domestic political issue of this week, then I might be able to guess how far the Democrats wish to go in supporting this public option as opposed to a private one.
  4. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    I doubt she will run though, other than being too connected to the Obama Administration, she is going to be taking the fall for North Korea, even though she wasn't the one handling it.

    She does however deserves blame for the whole Uighur situation and pissing off Britain.

    After McCain, if Huckabee gets nominated, I will set out of the election. I am sooo tired of Republicans who are either RINO Republicans or Extreme Conservatives and Fiscally Liberal.

    Well technically we can vote on them all, but you are comparing apples and oranges since abortion deals with a human life already growing, while vasectomy doesn't. That being said put it up to vote, if it becomes illegal I will just go to a state where it is legalized if I were to ever want one.

    Sure why not, not only is there precident for it, ( I believe that only now Tobacco is being monitored by the FDA ) but it follows the constitution.

    Well I have no problem legalizing civil unions, but lets do it the proper way, either through the legislative branch in state government, or through a vote like Prop 8.

    People are dropping it because we run on a 24 hour news cycle and different events have been happening. From Iran to North Korean Nukes to Universal Health Care. It most likely will be brought up again when we get closer to the hearing as the Democrats do not have any defense for it.

    Yeah its just a matter of perspective, I'm sorry if it seemed like I was being harsh on her. But I have grown up seeing the KKK marching in Dallas on the news, seeing a black man get hooked up to a pick up truck and dragged until his limbs fell off. I really just tend to take a negative view on racism.

    That would be the months after 9/11

    That bill actually scares me, Canada has a horrible system, and the last thing we need is it down here

    There is one, but that doesn't mean that Blacks did not vote overwhelmingly for Prop 8, and that their high turn out for the election didn't help push it over.

    70 percent of African Americans also voted for Proposition 8, as did 53 percent of Latino voters.

    I'm sure Black Politicians are running for cover on this, its easier to scapegoat mormons as Gay haters than it is the Black Population.
    Last edited: Jun 15, 2009
  5. Kazekage


    Late but no body mentioned this.

    India completed the largest democratic exercise conducted in human history.

    I guess I'm going to give you guys a lesson on Indian politics.

    The central government exercises its broad administrative powers in the name of the President, whose duties are largely ceremonial. The president and vice president are elected indirectly for 5-year terms by a special electoral college. The vice president assumes the office of president in case of the death or resignation of the incumbent president.
    The constitution designates the governance of India under two branches namely the executive branch and Real national executive power is centered in the Council of Ministers, led by the Prime Minister of India. The President appoints the Prime Minister, who is designated by legislators of the political party or coalition commanding a parliamentary majority. The President then appoints subordinate ministers on the advice of the Prime Minister. In reality, the President has no discretion on the question of whom to appoint as Prime Minister except when no political party or coalition of parties gains a majority in the Lok Sabha. Once the Prime Minister has been appointed, the President has no discretion on any other matter whatsoever, including the appointment of ministers. But all Central Government decisions are nominally taken in his name.

    The constitution designates the Parliament of India as the legislative branch to oversee the operation of the government. India's bicameral parliament consists of the Rajya Sabha (Council of States) and the Lok Sabha (House of the People). The Council of Ministers is held responsible to the Lok Sabha.

    Here are all the political parties in India.
    I'm only listing the national parties because there are way to many to count.

    Indian National Congress (INC, led by Party President:Sonia Gandhi)-Social policy
    Social policy of the INC is based on Gandhian concept of Sarvodaya (upliftment of all sections of the society.) In particular INC gives special emphasis on the welfare of the economically and socially disadvantaged sections of the society. This includes "affirmative action" reservations for weaker sections of the society in education and employment, emphasis on employment generation for rural population (through schemes such as National Rural Employment Generation Scheme) etc.

    Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP, led by Party President:Rajnath Singh)-Far right part, basically the opposite of everything listed above. Pro-Hindu, basically toes the line of the whole seperation of church and state. The rest of the parties are small and unimportant .

    The elections which took place in May 2009. Ended with the Congress Party (the liberal party) holding the most seats in parliament and such and such. The Prime Minister was the first one to be reelected since the first one.
  6. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    American Thinker: Richard Baehr: Obama starts to get radioactive among Jewish voters

    Perhaps the headline chosen by Richard Baehr will summarize his essential point rather neatly. Representative Robert Wexler is seeing Jewish voters in his district complain about Obama’s demand, for practical purposes, for a total freeze on all Jewish settlements for Israel as part of the continued “peace process” between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs. One might conclude that toppling the Islamic Revolutionary Guards and the ayatollahs may get the Palestinian Arabs to cease and desist with their annihilatory agenda against that country, but on a different level, these Jewish voters may be among many more expressing doubts about their support for Obama this past November. Unfortunately, Dennis Ross may have turned out to be one more voice of opposition to Barack Obama’s agenda, so he, namely Ross, is under the bus, so to speak. Obama and his advisors would’ve done better in hearing Ross out, including an argument that “there is no linkage between Iran's nuclear program and progress on the Israeli-Palestinian track”. One can only suspect that growing discontent among the American general public is consistent with growing panic among certain segments of the American left as Obama’s agenda increasingly falters, whether at home or abroad… and who should most successfully counter him, at least to the collective mindset of the left, when the time is right?:

    American Thinker: Jay Valentine: Sarah Palin, the 21st Century 'It' Girl

    Would the American left attack Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, or Newt Gingrich as extensively as they’ve been attacking Sarah Palin? Evidently, charisma has replaced money as the lifeblood of politics, and the good governor has a lot of it. To see David Letterman’s attacks against her family and those grievances filed against her day after day after day in Alaska, one might conclude that the left must destroy her in order to continue their agenda, for if she, not Romney, not Huckabee, not Gingrich, not Tim Pawlenty, is the Republican presidential nominee in 2012, then the result will be humiliating… maybe more likely for them than for the rest of us. While millions of McCain-Palin supporters are telling their friends, “Don’t blame me.”, a growing number of Obama-Biden supporters will be saying, “This isn’t the hope/change I had in mind.” In my case, if Sarah Palin can successfully articulate America’s founding mission and defend freedom as painting the way to a future of sincere peace and truth, then she will have my support. Barack Obama’s preference for governmental interventionism in private enterprise can’t fit such a purpose, so his political popularity, if we can call it that, can only decline as the next four years progress should he continue that preference.
  7. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    So did anyone watch Obama's Infomercial last night? Brought by ABC whoring itself out to the White House? From what I am hearing today, not only did the rating tank on it ( ABC was the lowest rated of the three ). But Obama came across as a evil ******* at some parts, sounding more like a Evil Insurance Company that he tends to decry than a President. And even was caught in a corner on admitting he wouldn't use his own Healthcare plan to save his family.

    So really this event has something for both sides to be happy for. Republicans can be happy that it was pretty much a horrible event for Obama and showed the patheticness of his healthcare plan. And Democrats can be happy that no one watched it!
  8. pocketmunster

    pocketmunster munster in my pocket

    Its sad that politics are as trivial as this now a days.
  9. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    Hey out of the list of things Obama wants to impose, Universal Health Care is one that scares the hell out of many Republicans and Independents. The biggest cheerleader for it having his biggest push end up as a flop is something those against it should celebrate.
  10. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    I’m afraid that’s a negative on my part. I recall either listening to “High Touch” or pondering any intersections or parallel courses between George Walker Bush’s legacy and the Iranian Revolution of 2009. I find President Barack Obama’s position unenviable already, and I suppose that this “epic failure” of a health care special event can only make said position even more so.:

    Hot Air: Ed Morrissey: Obama’s Michael Dukakis moment

    Dr. Orrin Devinsky may have just halted ObamaCare in its tracks, at least for now, and Obama himself appealed to emotional arguments rather than egalitarianism and reason… apparently the opposite of what Michael Dukakis. Allow me to ask for the actual numbers for this ABC special event, if to attain a level of certainty about it. Then again, if we are to assume that certain Obama supporters don’t want any criticism of his initiatives, then we can see a similar response targeting those who favor private health insurance, similar to what’s been going on with this American Independence Day tea party in Atlanta.:

    Pajamas Media: Bob Owens: Large Democratic Donors Help Shut Down July 4 Atlanta Tea Party

    Some visitors associated with a website known as Simon.com took a rather large interest in the blogging activities of one Andrea Shea King, who had a link in one of her posts to an analysis by Bob Owens that certain firearms and forms of ammunition were in short supply in the wake of the 2008 American presidential election because people who haven’t taken an interest in politics until now are beginning to feel abused by… the federal government. In response, the Simon Property Group ordered one of the malls it owned to shut down an event intended to protest Obama’s spending initiatives, perhaps including this ObamaCare, and this real estate company’s owner, one Melvin Simon, has donated money to the Democratic National Committee, John Edwards, Hillary Clinton, and yes, Barack Obama. This leads me to ponder taking a look at those Chrysler dealerships’ political donations to compare and contrast these political stories in the corporate world. Anyone got those numbers... in addition to the viewership for that ABC health care special event?
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2009
  11. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    Congrats Dems, you just passed one of the largest tax on the American People ever seen, through the House. A estimated 1,000 to 4,000 of extra payment on a Middle Class Family of 4 each year, and best of all a weakening of the American Industry, with millions of jobs lost. Great idea to do during a Recession with Gas Prices shooting up!
  12. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    Hot Air: Allahpundit: Video: Boehner slaps down Waxman, filibusters cap and trade
    Michelle Malkin: Cap and trade liveblog, part 3: (Mini)-Filibuster

    According to Michelle Malkin, eight Republicans voted with the Democrats on this “cap-and-trade” bill (in the House): Mary Bono Mack; Michael Castle; Mark Kirk; Leonard Lance; Frank LoBiondo; John McHugh; Dave Reichert; and Chris Smith. John Boehner tried filibustering the thing, but I suppose the result is history from there at this point. Allahpundit hopes that these turncoats, as Malkin calls them, “got a sweet deal from Pelosi because talk radio is about to make their lives very, very difficult”, and certain analyses of this bill strike me already.:

    American Thinker: Marc Sheppard: A Desperate Obama Tries to Sell Cap-And-Tax as a Jobs Bill
    Investor’s Business Daily: Waxman-Markey: Man-Made Disaster

    There were some legislators in so-called “farm states” who expressed concern about even the likes of bovine flatulence, and the Environmental Protection Agency is seeking to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from lawn mowers, barnyard animals, and even nostrils. Meanwhile, “the American Farm Bureau warns that cap and trade would cost the average farmer $175 on every dairy cow and $80 for beef cattle”, and if that wasn’t enough, the aggregate gross domestic product would head south to the tune of $7.4 trillion by 2035. Meanwhile, Spain has 18% unemployment, and most of its green jobs were only temporary, ending up decimating its workforce. These efforts lead up to a global temperature reduction in 2050 of 0.05ºC, which can point to a conclusion that the Democrats want to only transfer wealth rather than create it. I can only wonder what other countries would be willing to accept such a bargain…
  13. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    Took a while to find this topic, anyway big news today on Judge Sotomayor, as the Supreme Court over ruled, her I believe the count is now 7 times she has been heard by the Supreme Court, with 6 times being over turned by them. I have no doubt this ruling will be used by Republicans in the next month, not only was it pretty racist to rule against the White Firefighters because not enough blacks and mexicans got in, but writing only a 3 page brief on it, when the Supreme Court put out over a 100 page one shows a lack of judicial quality. Either way, not a good day for Sotomayor.
  14. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    Hot Air: Ed Morrissey: SCOTUS overrides Sotomayor on Ricci
    Investor’s Business Daily: A Supreme Case Against Sotomayor

    Hmm… Between The Stoning of Soraya M over the weekend, the 59th anniversary of the Korean War this past Thursday, and American Independence Day this upcoming Saturday, my political observations may have… drifted a bit, but I’ll be content with continuing to keep myself up to speed on President Barack Obama’s domestic decisions. The Supreme Court may be more up to speed regarding Sonia Sotomayor’s “racial favoritism”, stating that an employer can’t rely on race to exclude individuals who’ve passed the qualifying exams to be promoted out of a fear of lawsuits alone… or so says Justice Anthony Kennedy. Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s dissent, on the other hand, reads more like a demand for racial equivalence than a discourse on appropriate legal precedents. The American people in general may be closer to finding out how far Sotomayor is willing to go on this issue, depending on whether the confirmation hearings for Sotomayor get held within the next few weeks… or in September. Of course, news headlines have a strange way of shifting dramatically in the course of a day, so one might very well wonder how much attention these hearings will really get should those aforementioned events begin culminating later this summer.
  15. Carlisle

    Carlisle BAM

    Last edited: Jun 30, 2009
  16. S.Suikun

    S.Suikun Thank you, SPPf! :)

    8 months late, but the Minnesota debacle finally ends. And though an eventual Franken victory had been forseeable for months, this now nets the Democrats a fillibuster-proof majority, which should scare the daylights out of anyone who wishes to see constructive, well-debated, and well-thought-out bills come out of our Senate (thank you, Arlen Specter, for your delightful "assistance").
  17. BigLutz

    BigLutz Banned

    Pretty sad day when it comes to diversity in Government, then again it's a sad day in American Government as a whole considering the trash that Franken is, and how he got "elected"

    * Looks at Source * * Shakes head *

    C'mon Carlisle, even you know to not post from such a pathetic source, what Daily Kos or Democrat Underground didn't have what you wanted?
  18. ccangelopearl1362

    ccangelopearl1362 Well-Known Member

    Hot Air: Kos warns Reid: With 60 votes, you have no more excuses

    Bill Press’ opinion may be astonishing enough: “Well, now there’s no excuse anymore. They got the 60 votes, and I think what they’ve got to do is forget the Republicans exist. Forget bipartisanship. Take the Democratic agenda and do it now. There’s never a better opportunity, and if they don’t now, they don’t deserve to lead. I hate to say it, but get out of the way, and get somebody in there who can lead. We got to 60 votes. Now’s the time to push the agenda.”. In other words, get all this governmental intervention done, no questions asked. The mention of 1979 might make this development seem… positively surreal, given what happened, say, on the other side of the planet that year. Yet, how much more surreal – and/or even surreally consistent – could Obama be in demanding that Manuel Zelaya return to his position in Honduras?:

    Fox News Channel: Support for Ousted Honduran President Raises Questions About 'Democratic' Leadership
    American Thinker: Obama’s True Colors Shine in Honduras

    I’ll have to congratulate Obama for coming out in support of submission, er, tyranny over liberty, and somehow, I can’t help getting the impression that he’s afraid, no, terrified of that latter idea. From bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia to imposing an energy tax, Barack Obama has made decisions almost explicitly geared toward the destruction of freedom, and only pressure from the American people can coerce him back to the very premise of the office that he holds. Even in Honduras, Zelaya fired Honduras’ top general for refusing to submit to his rule, which he attempted to override Honduras’ constitution in order to extend. Marxists and Islamists alike can only accelerate their efforts in aligning with Obama’s efforts to make this country equal to them, defying George Walker Bush’s freedom agenda in the process. Do we really want this type of virulent misery running full speed ahead in Washington, D.C., especially mere days before America’s 233rd birthday?
  19. Carlisle

    Carlisle BAM

    I think you need to calm down and stop buying into propoganda, and realize Obama nor anyone else in Washington is for destroying "freedom" or "liberty." Obama may be expanding the government, but he never has, and never will even attempt to start taking away personal freedom or our liberties. For god's sake, a president can't do that without Congress. You also need to realize that George Bush wasn't some angel from heaven preaching this message of freedom, every president from Clinton to Reagan to Truman has done that.

    I'm SO sure we're going to become a communist dictatorship where we are slaves and freedom around the world is destroyed because the world is in Obama's hands, and good ol' Dubya never did ANYTHING wrong. :rolleyes:

    Your life would be so much better and interesting if you'd calm down and not be so far into a political spectrum. After reading that article, I can't believe you can stand reading that stuff. It's right wing propoganda and bullsh*t to the extreme.

    Lol, okay, I'll dig up another source then. (;
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2009
  20. Tim the turtle

    Tim the turtle Happy Mudkip

    I think that Obama's support for Zelaya is far more in support of freedom than tyranny. Zelaya attempted nothing more than to offer a referendum (read: democratic process) of the constitution. The very idea that this would be illegal is laughable in the first place, all it does is point out the disastrous flaws in the Honduras constitution. The coup det ta was an unfortunate product of this as well as the constitution gives no legal means of ousting a current president, neither party is really in the wrong here. Whilst Zelaya is technically operating illegally from the perspective of the Honduras constitution his actions are democratically motivated which is essentially synonymous with political freedom these days, hence I reject your comment that Obama's support of Zelaya is an attempt to reject freedom.

    To quote a friend of mine on a different forum:

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