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Fossil pokemon

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Paralititan

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I was wondering, why are all the fossil pokemon made so weak compared to much others? They are always UU, exept for Aerodactyl. I think it's a shame, cause dinosaurs were in fact much stronger then most of the animal alive today. Exept for the very small dinosaurus of course. No land predator today can match with dinosaurs like Allosaurus or T.rex (who's bite force was strong enough to kill anything in one hit, and could outrun some other dinosaurs like Ceratocians. He still wasn't realy fast at 27 km/h though).

So my point is, why are much dinosaur based pokemon much weaker then other pokemon based on living animals, while in real life in a fight they wouldn't even stand a small change. A bear, gorilla or bull could not kill a T.rex or any other large predatory dinosaur, even if it could walk faster.
What's you opinion on this. (this is NOT a 5th gen thread.)
I just think its a shame that fossil pokemon are so weak.
 
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Yonowaru in Chaos

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Actually, most (if not all) fossil Pokemon are actually quite good. Cradily is one of the better Special walls, Omastar and Kabutops as one of the better Special and Physical sweepers respectively (especially after a Swift Swim boost) and Armaldo as a defensive sweeper. Rampardos has godly strength while Bastiodon's...not that redeemable.

You can actually use them quite well in OU if you have a proper strategy (even Bastiodon, though I really can't see why you'd want to >.>) and they're certainly not to be underestimated.
 
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Paralititan

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Rampardos has imense attack strenght, but very low speed, and HP. He can be used in OU, and some other fossils to, but there are much better pokemon available in OU. Fossils can't be compared to the likes of Salamence, Heracross or Tyranitar. They aren't realy outstanding good. So even though they can be used in OU, there are much better choices, and making them still less used.
 
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ChuklaeAquos

Glalie fan!
it is the way u play the pokemon that makes all the difference. take shuckle for example: it isnt a very good fighter but it can stall your opponents for a long while. it also depends on how it is raised...
 
Drake Pokétrainer

Drake Pokétrainer

Hell God
They aren't that good, but they aren't weak either.
You can use them fairly well if you know how to handle them.

(P.S. The Tyrannosaurus' bite wasn't really strong, it bit itself stuck in its prey and ripped the meat off by shaking its head. It could probably also kill its prey by infection like the komodo dragon.)
 
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ChuklaeAquos

Glalie fan!
it is the way u play the pokemon that makes all the difference. take shuckle for example: it isnt a very good fighter but it can stall your opponents for a long while. it also depends on how it is raised...
 
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Ri-Chan

♚ get s l e a z y
They are most likely weak because of their evolved formes. Kabuto evolves into Kabutops, and Omytar evolves into Omastar, so it goes by the reward. If you take your time with them, you get a nice reward (your evolved pokemon)
 
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Yonowaru in Chaos

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Well...yes. But you know, there are some reasons why you would use some fossil Pokemon over others. They just need to have support from the team being used in general.

Take Rampardos and Armaldo as examples. They both possess a veritable Attack stat, but both are incredibly slow. How to solve the problem? Simple. Both have access to Rock Polish, so we can use that to compensate. Too fragile? Simple. Use a Baton Passer. Too unreliable? Just go Trick Room altogether.

It's not hard, but sometimes, you'd find you'd have to tone down the team a bit so it'd easier to bring in said Pokemon and sweep.

Omastar and Kabutops are even simpler. All you have to do is put them on a Rain Dance team (Omastar if you're lacking a Special sweeper and Kabutops if you're lacking a physical one). Swift Swim will bring their low Speed stats to astonishing levels and coupled with their already high attacking stats, can be very effective sweepers.

In fact, in most cases, some fossil Pokemon are doing their own thing without being outclassed. Cradily is awesome in Sandstorm, but so is Tyranitar. To compensate, Cradily has access to Recover, Stockpile, Suction Cups and an overall better defensive typing. While Tyranitar is designed to sweep (and Special wall to an extent), Cradily is purely a defensive tank designed to stay.

Similarly, Omastar and Kabutops are unrivalled Swift Swimmer sweepers.

The Tyrannosaurus' bite wasn't really strong, it bit itself stuck in its prey and ripped the meat off by shaking its head.
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Then again, the Saltwater Crocodile has to do the same by twisting itself about, and its bite is beast.
 
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Paralititan

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@Drake Poketrainer. http://news.softpedia.com/news/Why-T-rex-Had-the-Strongest-Ever-Bite-of-a-Land-Animal-55140.shtml

According to newest research T.rex had a bite force between 18 and 23 tonnes of force:D. T.rex had the strongest bite of any dinosaur. The article explain why.

They can be good, but come on. Rampardos is used to attack, deal damage, but Salamence, Tyranitar, Heracross and several others are all better. So no fossil pokemon is realy that much used.

@pokemonmaster21, their evolved forms aren't realy that stong either. Rampardos or any other fully evolvod fossil can't realy be compared to the good OU pokemon like Salamence.

@ Yonuwaru, that kinda my point. They all need support to do good.
 
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Yonowaru in Chaos

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Even so, you can argue that even with support, they can do their role better than some of the aforementioned OU Pokemon. You have to keep in mind that nothing in the game except for Deoxys-A can inflict that much damage caused by Rampardos.
 
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Squaaah

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Also, most fossil pokemon arn't based off dinosaurs. Cranidos and Aerodactyle are, and Shieldon MIGHT be but the others are based off small creatures that simply lived around the same time. Omanyte for example is based off an Ammonite, a fairly common sea dwelling shellfish type animal. It is also one of the most common fossils, which is probably why it was one of the first fossil pokemon.

None of the stronger Dinosaurs have been made into fossil pokemon yet.
 
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Yonowaru in Chaos

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You can argue that the Ceratopsian family are the best when it comes to defensive prowess in Dinosauria...but we're left with this Bastio...thing.

Similarly, a blow from a Pachycephalosaurus will put a dent into something, considering it's skull is around 25-30 cm thick.

They're probably just a bit sceptical about the guys with sharp teeth.

Pokemon *must* remain blood free!! xD
 
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I like Pokemon (...)

New Member
Yonowaru in Chaos more or less pointed out the good points with the fossil Pokemon. You also have to remember that fossils can sometimes be regarded as gimmick Pokemon.

And if you kinda count in some of the Pokedex entries, one of Magikarp's entry says that it was stronger a long time ago, it kinda fits with the dinosaur-fossil thing.
 
Pyrax

Pyrax

The Ghost of Tsushima
Squaaah said:
Also, most fossil pokemon arn't based off dinosaurs. cranidos and Aerodactyle are
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Aerodactyl is based on a pterrasaur and they aren't dinosaurs.

some fossi pokémon are actually quite good depending on how they're raised.
 
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Squaaah

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Ahhh ok, I thought it might still be classed as one. Cheers for clarifying. What dinosaur is Shieldon based off?
 
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Ri-Chan

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Most likely a stegosaurus...

Shieldon would be a Pachycephalosaurus, as would rampardos

Kabuto would be a... hmmm...similar to a shellfish with a tan shell.
 
Drake Pokétrainer

Drake Pokétrainer

Hell God
pokemonmaster21 said:
Most likely a stegosaurus...

Shieldon would be a Pachycephalosaurus, as would rampardos

Kabuto would be a... hmmm...similar to a shellfish with a tan shell.
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Shieldon is a Ceratops. Kabuto is a Trilobite

According to newest research T.rex had a bite force between 18 and 23 tonnes of force
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I didn't know that.
You learn something new everyday.
 
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Paralititan

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@ Squaaah, indeed, the realy strong dinosaurs (Tyrannosaurus rex, arguably the strongest predatory dinosaur, since Spino in fact had much weaker jaws and Triceratops etc.) aren't pokemon yet.
 
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