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Free will

meteor64

Show Me Ya Noobs
That's only if you believe that theory Meteor. I for one don't give chemicals that much credit.

We are going in circles. I (or we) can explain all over again, you can refute, then say "well actually it makes sense but I don't like it", I can explain why its not that bad, and then we get back to here.

You have already said you'd rather not accept it, even though it makes perfect sense. I can sort of understand that, but why is it all that bad?
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
Frankly it comes down to an emotional reason. Being self aware I don't wish to be regulated to the status of a robot. Having a sense of my own individuality, I refuse to hand it back to any... thing. The theory only makes perfect sense if we were merely computers or machines. Which we obviously are not because to date... they don't have true emotions & I'm obviously a bit passionate about this topic. So there is my reason, I have emotions and a tree, a rock, a mountain even a solar system do not show any sign of having emotions. Those emotions make us more than the simple "Star Stuff" we are created from.
 

meteor64

Show Me Ya Noobs
I can understand where you're coming from, but... I think the height of humanity is surpassing your initial emotions and looking at the greater scope. I mean, that's why we don't approve of homophobia and xenophobia anymore. Of course, I'm not insinuating you'll become evil and terrorist and what-not ("random death to the determinist, haha!"), but I think it'll lead to an enlightenment, of sorts.


The theory only makes perfect sense if we were merely computers or machines. Which we obviously are not because to date... they don't have true emotions & I'm obviously a bit passionate about this topic.
Just a question, but what are emotions to you? What does it mean to feel an emotion?
Those emotions make us more than the simple "Star Stuff" we are created from.
That's what I've been saying the ENTIRE TIME >.<
 

Diz~

Combat Specialist
Everyone got free will. Just remember to accept the consequence for those free will no matter whether or not you are right.
 

I-am-the-peel

Justice Forever
No ever does have the true right to 'Free Will'. Corruption still happens; murderers become murderers and drive others to retaliate with this, people are robbed and descend into poverty and resort to steal, people want to find out something as a child but don't know what it is because they are naive children and then discover something, wrong.

With things like SOPA and hard laws in some countries and pretty soon the entire world, nobody has the right to free will. It is restricted massively by the law. There are some bad aspects to free will, like racism which are banned and against the law, which I am very happy with, but disagree with the human right. Power and influence seems to lead to corruption which seems to be happening now: many 'bad people' are being stopped like terrorists across the entire world which amazed us all. Now this power is leading into more directions such as the internet to prove how powerful the countries surrounding the world, like Britain America and Asia, is and that restrictions are constantly being furthered and furthered. It is like communism, it would be a great idea but it would never work. Sometimes these laws help the bad aspects of free will which is great but some parts of free will, like privacy and choosing what school you want to go to, what job you want when your older and future plans like this, are being restricted and stopped by the leaders. Taxes are raised, numbers of colleges and universities decrease, and pretty soon many good strong jobs like being a lawyer or a doctor are gone. So overall, free will isn't fully available, but this is equally for good and bad reasons, even though more restrictions and cut backs are being made to the laws and taxes to destroy our 'Free Will'.
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
I can understand where you're coming from, but... I think the height of humanity is surpassing your initial emotions and looking at the greater scope. I mean, that's why we don't approve of homophobia and xenophobia anymore. Of course, I'm not insinuating you'll become evil and terrorist and what-not ("random death to the determinist, haha!"), but I think it'll lead to an enlightenment, of sorts.
Yes but it is those emotions that separate us from being a rock. To reach a level of tranquility does not require us to accept the lie that we are not possessing free will.

Just a question, but what are emotions to you? What does it mean to feel an emotion?
Our emotions are what give us our definition of being alive. A tree is a living thing but is it "alive".

That's what I've been saying the ENTIRE TIME >.<
Is it? I was under the impression you were saying we were nothing more than the star stuff & therefore incapable of free will.
 

meteor64

Show Me Ya Noobs
Yes but it is those emotions that separate us from being a rock. To reach a level of tranquility does not require us to accept the lie that we are not possessing free will.
You still haven't shown any solid reason to disprove it, so until then, calling it a straight up lie is about as accurate as telling me I am definitely going to hell.

Our emotions are what give us our definition of being alive. A tree is a living thing but is it "alive".
Erm, trees are alive. They follow the 7 life processes, which defines them as alive. Whether or not they are emotionally capable is a different story (though to say they are unresponsive to their environment would be undeniably wrong).
However, what I was really trying to ask is- what makes an emotion an emotion?

Is it? I was under the impression you were saying we were nothing more than the star stuff & therefore incapable of free will.
I was also saying our emotions are what make us human, and therefore, significant.
 

Malanu

Est sularus oth mith
You still haven't shown any solid reason to disprove it, so until then, calling it a straight up lie is about as accurate as telling me I am definitely going to hell.
Considering I don't believe in heaven or hell I wouldn't do that. I haven't seen any proof that free will doesn't exist. I have heard a theory, but that isn't really proof.


Erm, trees are alive. They follow the 7 life processes, which defines them as alive. Whether or not they are emotionally capable is a different story (though to say they are unresponsive to their environment would be undeniably wrong).
However, what I was really trying to ask is- what makes an emotion an emotion?
Well the day a tree talks to me, I'll continue to define them as living but not alive ;)

I was also saying our emotions are what make us human, and therefore, significant.
Oh... Ok cool.
 

meteor64

Show Me Ya Noobs
Considering I don't believe in heaven or hell I wouldn't do that. I haven't seen any proof that free will doesn't exist. I have heard a theory, but that isn't really proof.
Then why say it is a lie?


Well the day a tree talks to me, I'll continue to define them as living but not alive ;)
So I guess squirrels aren't alive either...

Oh... Ok cool.

Erm, not sure what this is supposed to mean...
 

meteor64

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