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[Moonlight.]

Groudon is said to be the best of all Pokemon and to be honest, I think it very well may be. There are 4 ways of beating Kyogre with Groudon. I uber battle on Netbattle so I know how these work obviously.
1)Use 2 earthquakes. This method only really works if you get the Kyogre on the switch, and then it misses.
2)Baton pass attack and speed to a Groudon to 1HKO a Kyogre (or use Swords Dance or Bulk UP)
3)Use Solarbeam if it is sunny
4)Use thunder.

You may think method 4 is silly. Thunder on Groudon has 50% accuracy. BUT, when a Groudon is out in an uber battle, the opponent will switch into their Kyogre. On the turn the opponent switches, you can use Thunder. Kyogre's ability will give Thunder 100% accuracy. Thunder will take of about 60% of Kyogre's health on the switch and it has a 30% chance of paralyzing it, thus, giving the Kyogre a 25% chance of missing it's next turn and reducing it's speed stat by 50%. The Groudon has about 10% chace of 1HKOing the Kyogre with a CHThunder and if the Groudon is faster, then you will have no problem beating a switched in Kyogre with Thunder.

So, Kyogre will most likely win, but there are a few ways on beating a Kyogre with groudon and groudon is better overall.

Again, as Ethereal said, Groudon needs to be set up. Plus, no-one uses Solar Beam or Thunder on Groudon. And 2 EQs leaves Groudon at risk of being hit by Surf.

 

[≈*Virulent Tsunami*≈]

I lol at how people complain about setting up Groudon when Kyogre needs it as well. FYI, Groudon has decent enough Special Defense to survive an Ice Beam. Yeah, a CMBeam would kill Groudon, but that's just blatant hypocrisy, because Groudon kills with a Swords Dance anyhow.

If you need further insight on this, look to Smogon's page on Groudon. It's just superior to Kyogre in every way =/

~*CB*~
The 8th Champion​

 

[i dont know 2 A.K.A. quilava lover]

i would say whoever attacks first because they have the same speed and they could use sheer cold or fissure

 

[Fluorescent Adolescent]

Groudon is said to be the best of all Pokemon and to be honest, I think it very well may be. There are 4 ways of beating Kyogre with Groudon. I uber battle on Netbattle so I know how these work obviously.
1)Use 2 earthquakes. This method only really works if you get the Kyogre on the switch, and then it misses.
2)Baton pass attack and speed to a Groudon to 1HKO a Kyogre (or use Swords Dance or Bulk UP)
3)Use Solarbeam if it is sunny
4)Use thunder.

You may think method 4 is silly. Thunder on Groudon has 50% accuracy. BUT, when a Groudon is out in an uber battle, the opponent will switch into their Kyogre. On the turn the opponent switches, you can use Thunder. Kyogre's ability will give Thunder 100% accuracy. Thunder will take of about 60% of Kyogre's health on the switch and it has a 30% chance of paralyzing it, thus, giving the Kyogre a 25% chance of missing it's next turn and reducing it's speed stat by 50%. The Groudon has about 10% chace of 1HKOing the Kyogre with a CHThunder and if the Groudon is faster, then you will have no problem beating a switched in Kyogre with Thunder.

So, Kyogre will most likely win, but there are a few ways on beating a Kyogre with groudon and groudon is better overall.

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Or just be normal and use Swords dance and then EQ ;/

There seriously is no question here. Groudon beats it. End of discussion.

 

[mrmimeykai]

oh for gosh sake, start a groudon fan-club and stop b*cthing about how much you like it

 

[Moonlight.]

X_X I just tried calculating this with a damage calculator., with both of them, max stats and level 100. According to the calculator:

Groudon's Earthquake after SD should do 310-364 damage. This means Kyogre has a chance of surviving, but since Kyogre's defence is rarely maxed and Groudon's attack is always maxed, it'll probably do a little more, so Kyogre will be KO'ed.

Kyogre's Ice Beam should do 198-215 damage, so 2 Ice Beams would do 396-430 damage, enough to KO Groudon.

So, BOTH can KO eachother in 2 turns, so it really depends on who's fastest. Also, just for fun, I calculated how much damage Kyogre's Surf would do if it was raining

445-484 damage.

So, basically:

In rain: Kyogre will probably win
In sun and other weather: Whoever's faster will win.

Of course, that is using their standard movesets, and it's most likely that those moves will be used. Also, this isn't 100% accurate, but it gives us an idea of what will happen. Both Kyogre and Groudon SHOULD be able to KO eachother in 2-3 turns.

 

[SHUCKLE MAN]

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Or just be normal and use Swords dance and then EQ ;/

There seriously is no question here. Groudon beats it. End of discussion.

lol, I forgot that option...the most obvious and commonly used one too.

Anyways, Kyogre would probably beat a Groudon but Groudon is way better for everyday siuations.

 

[Fluorescent Adolescent]

oh for gosh sake, start a groudon fan-club and stop b*cthing about how much you like it

I was merely arguing why it's better. Better in battle in the games anyway so shut up thanks!

 

[Moonlight.]

Don't forget Kyogre wins mainly due to type advantage...

If Kyogre had no Water or Ice moves, Groudon would probably win.