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gen 5 = pure failure?
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Failure? No, the Dream World concept was great plus the sequels filled to the brim with side-quests like traditional RPGs were outstanding additions. The real disappointment is how long it lasted. Oh well, we live the present so might as well adapt to it.
My only fear is how out of hand the competitive section is going to get as it already annoys me to no ends.
My only fear is how out of hand the competitive section is going to get as it already annoys me to no ends.
Flame Mistress
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We had four great main series games, four decent spin-offs, two (three, technically) 3DS apps, and the Dream World. I'd hardly call that "pathetic".
The Thunderbird
Dreams come true
Generation V is one of the best generations IMO. It has a less tedious exp. system, infinite use tms, and interesting Pokemon like Reuniclus, Cofagrigus, and Braviary.
gliscor&yanmega
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Amount of days for each generation(Based on bublapedia):
Generation 1:
En October 14, 2000 (774 days)
Jp November 21, 1999 (1363 days)
Generation 2:
En March 19, 2003 (885 days)
Jp November 21, 2002 (1096 days)
Generation 3:
En April 22, 2007 (1495 days)
Jp September 28, 2006 (1407 days)
Generation 4:
En March 4, 2011 (1412 days)
Jp September 18, 2010 (1451 days)
Generation 5:
En 676 days and still counting until the next games come out.
Jp 843 days and still counting until the next games come out.
As Generation 6 will be out October, if it's on the 1st then that's still around at least 265 bring it to 941 for English games and 1108 for Japanese games. English wise, it would be longer then the first two, Japanese wise it was longer then Generation 2. Generation 5 also only had two set of games where as Generation 3 and 4 had three(First two, remake duo, and third installment).
So the length means absolutely nothing.
I guess you aren't aware people like different things. Every Pokemon has a lot of people who like them, and a lot who don't. Nothing is wrong with any of the Pokemon designs, none are problematic(Besides Jynx). Personal disinterest means nothing.
Generation 1:
En October 14, 2000 (774 days)
Jp November 21, 1999 (1363 days)
Generation 2:
En March 19, 2003 (885 days)
Jp November 21, 2002 (1096 days)
Generation 3:
En April 22, 2007 (1495 days)
Jp September 28, 2006 (1407 days)
Generation 4:
En March 4, 2011 (1412 days)
Jp September 18, 2010 (1451 days)
Generation 5:
En 676 days and still counting until the next games come out.
Jp 843 days and still counting until the next games come out.
As Generation 6 will be out October, if it's on the 1st then that's still around at least 265 bring it to 941 for English games and 1108 for Japanese games. English wise, it would be longer then the first two, Japanese wise it was longer then Generation 2. Generation 5 also only had two set of games where as Generation 3 and 4 had three(First two, remake duo, and third installment).
So the length means absolutely nothing.
I guess you aren't aware people like different things. Every Pokemon has a lot of people who like them, and a lot who don't. Nothing is wrong with any of the Pokemon designs, none are problematic(Besides Jynx). Personal disinterest means nothing.
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Fangking Omega
Boulder Trainer
Dismissing Gen V designs like Vanillite for being "unoriginal" really irritates me. As a standalone evolution chain based off an ice cream cone it is original in the pantheon of Pokémon we have... and also how is it any less interesting than the flurry of "add a head to make it evolve" Gen I Pokémon, or ones that were purely spheres? I admit there were some Gen III, IV and V Pokémon that I wasn't sold on at first but as soon as I get into the games I realise how well they fit their environments and the Pokémon around them.
So, Gen V is over quickly - not due to any failure (certainly not in sales or critical reception!) but, as stated, due to the hardware cycle. Personally I think Gen IV, as great as it was, outstayed its welcome. Releasing Gen V on DS was a masterstroke - it maximised units sold due to the number of people with a DS that were able to play it, and it got the absolute best out of the hardware. Releasing Gen V on 3DS would have meant a lack of familiarity with the hardware and dev kit and FAR too much time between new generations. The Fifth Generation got the gameplay mechanics spot on resulting in a slick game that looked and played great, along with a good story (especially by Pokémon standards!) and a genuine sequel packed with features during and after the quest. Not to mention a fresh roster of Pokémon that are so much better than they're given credit for.
If Pokémon X and Y weren't getting a simultaneous worldwide release and we were waiting until, say, March 2014 for the English translation then I don't think anyone say that Gen V was rushed out of the door. There is nowhere else to go with Gen V. Gen III remakes were pointless since GBA games are playable on (older) DS hardware, releasing a remake for 3DS would have been a cop-out for the first main series title on the handheld, and it could have presented compatibility issues. Releasing on DS would have been a foolish move. Nintendo will be keen for a flagship Pokémon title to sell systems and software. I think the timing for Gen VI is perfect from every perspective, just as releasing Gen V for DS was the correct move at the time.
So, Gen V is over quickly - not due to any failure (certainly not in sales or critical reception!) but, as stated, due to the hardware cycle. Personally I think Gen IV, as great as it was, outstayed its welcome. Releasing Gen V on DS was a masterstroke - it maximised units sold due to the number of people with a DS that were able to play it, and it got the absolute best out of the hardware. Releasing Gen V on 3DS would have meant a lack of familiarity with the hardware and dev kit and FAR too much time between new generations. The Fifth Generation got the gameplay mechanics spot on resulting in a slick game that looked and played great, along with a good story (especially by Pokémon standards!) and a genuine sequel packed with features during and after the quest. Not to mention a fresh roster of Pokémon that are so much better than they're given credit for.
If Pokémon X and Y weren't getting a simultaneous worldwide release and we were waiting until, say, March 2014 for the English translation then I don't think anyone say that Gen V was rushed out of the door. There is nowhere else to go with Gen V. Gen III remakes were pointless since GBA games are playable on (older) DS hardware, releasing a remake for 3DS would have been a cop-out for the first main series title on the handheld, and it could have presented compatibility issues. Releasing on DS would have been a foolish move. Nintendo will be keen for a flagship Pokémon title to sell systems and software. I think the timing for Gen VI is perfect from every perspective, just as releasing Gen V for DS was the correct move at the time.
Generation 1 and 2 lasted for 3 years, oh I guess they were
Pokémon Black and White sold 4.3 million copies in Japan, took the #1 and #2 spots respectively in the UK overall sales charts and in the US, Black and White sold more than 1.08 million copies on day one, breaking the previous day-one record held by predecessors Diamond and Pearl of 780,000 copies.
Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 have combined sales of 4.26 million copies worldwide.
Next time do your research before made up nonsense and you would avoid looking stupid.
A poorly formed opinion that is trying to be passed as fact.
Again a poorly formed opinion that is trying to be passed as fact.
TheSirPeras
The end of an era
You do know Gen 5 was going to be shorter right? They announced it...
A poorly formed opinion that is trying to be passed as fact.
Folks if you are going to say that you didn't like generation X at least provide a reasonable statement why you didn't like it. Rather than saying "generation X is crap" and then running off, it's a childish thing to do and frankly it's really pathetic.
Shayminslicker
Comes out of Nowhere
I disagree. The pokemon looked very cool to me and the games were great too (the games were great sellersthem selves). So I don't think the 5th gen failed at all.
Arcamenel
Shiny Hunter
Generation 5 gave us
Triple Battles
Rotation Battles
Re-usable TM's
Dream World
Dream World Abilities
Combination move (pledges)
New Breeding Mechanics
New Shiny Mechanics
Battle Subway/Pokemon World Tournament
A deep engaging storyline( that actually warranted a true sequel and not a rehash with a few frills)
A lot of unique Pokemon(imo)
If all that constitutes a failure then I give up on life.
Triple Battles
Rotation Battles
Re-usable TM's
Dream World
Dream World Abilities
Combination move (pledges)
New Breeding Mechanics
New Shiny Mechanics
Battle Subway/Pokemon World Tournament
A deep engaging storyline( that actually warranted a true sequel and not a rehash with a few frills)
A lot of unique Pokemon(imo)
If all that constitutes a failure then I give up on life.
VS
they/she
I agree with this guy.
Akwakwak
I'm hungry
The gen V games rival gen II and HG/SS as my favorite Pokemon games of all time. Gen V was not a failure, it was just a shame that it didn't last as long and that it was released at an awkward moment. I really loved gen five, the story, music, and yes even the Pokemon grew on me. People are entitled to opinions but please respect other peoples opinions as well. I really dislike Diamond/Pearl but you don't see me bashing those games, because while they were my least favorites something good came from them, that that something was a Piplup 
I can't wait for gen VI, I'm really loving that Deer legendary Pokemon.
I can't wait for gen VI, I'm really loving that Deer legendary Pokemon.
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iGotNoiPad
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Lasting short =/= it sucked
Just saying.
Just saying.
The only thing wrong with Gen 5 was that the games were nothing but more of the same, unlike Gen 3 and 4 which offered a bunch of new things. Well, that and I really dislike Team Plasma. But other than that, it most certainly did not fail.
You actually do have a good point. While Black and White gave you almost nothing but more of the same in terms of gameplay, it STILL noticably improved upon the formula.
You actually do have a good point. While Black and White gave you almost nothing but more of the same in terms of gameplay, it STILL noticably improved upon the formula.
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