Gen 9 Pokedex - Discussion/Speculation Thread

[Pokemon Power]

Title says it all. So far, we've seen 23 Pokemon. In addition to the new starters, we have Pikachu, Meowth, Psyduck, Magnemite, Hoppip, Blissey, Larvitar, Pelipper, Swablu, Seviper, Starly, Combee, Drifloon, Lucario, Petilil, Red Flower Flabebe, Clauncher, Bounsweet and Stonjourner. Also, you can bring Hisuian Zoroark over from Legends via Pokemon Home. It's entirely possible that other forms of these Pokemon are usable, and their evolutionary relatives will probably pop up too.
EDIT: Here are the lists of confirmed and semi-confirmed Pokemon so far. Will be updated as time progresses.
EDIT 2: Games are out, changing the lists to Palda Dex Pokemon and other available Pokemon. First list will be in Paldea Dex order, second will be in National Dex order. Also have links to the Serebii pages if you want.
Paldea Dex:

Paldea Pokédex - Pokémon Scarlet & Violet

The Paldea Pokédex listing all Pokémon found within the regional Pokédex and available in Pokémon Scarlet & Violet on Nintendo Switch

www.serebii.net

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Sprigatito family
Fuecoco family
Quaxly family
Lechonk family
Tarountula family
Nymble family
Hoppip family
Fletchling family
Pawmi family
Houndour family
Yungoos family
Skwovet family
Sunkern family
Kricketot family
Scatterbug family (Fancy Pattern Vivillon available, other forms obtainable through transfer)
Combee family
Rookidee family
Chansey family
Marill family
Surskit family
Buizel family
Wooper (Paldean, regular form available through in-game trade)
Clodsire (evolution of Paldean Wooper)
Psyduck family
Chewtle family
Jigglypuff family
Ralts family
Drowzee family
Gastly family
Tandemaus family
Pikachu family (Ash-Pikachu and Alolan Raichu available through transfer)
Fidough family
Slakoth family
Bounsweet family
Smoliv family
Sudowoodo family
Rockruff family (all Lycanroc forms available)
Rolycoly family
Shinx family
Starly family
Oricorio (all forms obtainable)
Mareep family
Petilil family (Hisuian Lilligant available through transfer)
Shroomish family
Applin family
Spoink family
Squawkabilly
Misdreavus family
Makuhita family
Crabrawler family
Salandit family
Phanpy family
Cufant family
Gible family
Nacli family
Wingull family
Magikarp family
Arrokuda family
Basculin (Red and Blue Stripe available, White Stripe can be transferred)
Gulpin family
Meowth and Persian (Galarian Meowth available as in-game gift, Alolan forms can be transferred)
Drifloon family
Flabebe family (all colors available)
Diglett family (Alolan forms are available through transfer)
Torkoal
Numel family
Bronzor family
Axew family
Mankey family (includes new member Annihilape)
Meditite family
Riolu family
Charcadet family
Barboach family
Tadbulb family
Goomy family (Hisuian Sliggoo and Goodra available through transfer)
Croagunk family
Wattrel family
Eevee family
Dunsparce and new evolution Dudunsparce
Deerling family (all forms available)
Girafarig and new evolution Farigiraf
Grimer family (Alolan forms available through transfer)
Maschiff family
Toxel family (Both Toxtricity forms available)
Dedenne
Pachirisu
Shroodle family
Stantler
Foongus family
Voltorb family (Hisuian forms available through transfer)
Magnemite family
Ditto
Growlithe family (Hisuian forms available through transfer)
Teddiursa and Ursaring
Zangoose
Seviper
Swablu family
Skiddo family
Tauros (Paldean, three different forms, regular form available through transfer)
Litleo family
Stunky family
Zorua family (Hisuian forms available through transfer)
Sneasel and Weavile (Hisuian Sneasel available through transfer)
Murkrow family
Gothita family
Sinistea family
Mimikyu
Klefki
Indeedee
Bramblin family
Toedscool family
Tropius
Fomantis family
Klawf
Capsakid family
Cacnea family
Rellor family
Venonat family
Pineco family
Scyther and Scizor
Heracross
Flittle family
Hippopotas family
Sandile family
Silicobra family
Mudbray family
Larvesta family
Bagon family
Tinkatink family
Hatenna family
Impidimp family
Wiglett family
Bombirdier
Finizen family
Varoom family
Cyclizar
Orthworm
Sableye
Shuppet family
Falinks
Hawlucha
Spiritomb
Noibat family
Dreepy family
Glimmet family
Rotom (all forms available)
Greavard family
Oranguru
Passimian
Komala
Larvitar family
Stonjourner
Eiscue
Pincurchin
Sandygast family
Slowpoke family (Galarian forms available through transfer)
Shellos family (Both West and East Sea available)
Shellder family
Qwilfish (Hisuian form available through transfer)
Luvdisc
Finneon family
Bruxish
Alomomola
Skrelp family
Clauncher family
Tynamo family
Mareanie family
Flamigo
Dratini family
Snom family
Snover family
Delibird
Cubchoo family
Snorunt family
Cryogonal
Cetoddle family
Bergmite family (Hisuian Avalugg available through transfer)
Rufflet family (Hisuian Braviary available through transfer)
Pawniard family (including new member Kingambit)
Deino family
Veluza
Dondozo
Tatsugiri
Great Tusk (Past Donphan)
Scream Tail (Past Jigglypuff)
Brute Bonnet (Past Amoonguss)
Flutter Mane (Past Misdreavus)
Slither Wing (Past Volcarona)
Sandy Shocks (Past Magneton)
Iron Treads (Future Donphan)
Iron Bundle (Future Delibird)
Iron Hands (Future Hariyama)
Iron Jugulis (Future Hydreigon)
Iron Moth (Future Volcarona)
Iron Thorns (Future Tyranitar)
Frigibax family
Gimmighoul family
Treasures of Ruin (new legendary quartet consisting of Wo-Chien, Chien-Pao, Ting-Lu and Chi-Yu)
Roaring Moon (Past Salamence)
Iron Valiant (Future Gardevoir/Gallade hybrid)
Koraidon
Miraidon

Total: 400
Other available Pokemon (most are transfer only):

Transfer Only Pokémon - Pokémon Scarlet & Violet

Transfer Only Pokémon introduced in Pokémon Scarlet & Violet for Nintendo Switch. Lists all the Pokémon that can only be found in the game through transfer or events

www.serebii.net

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Charmander family
Legendary birds (Articuno, Zapdos and Moltres, regular and Galarian forms available)
Mew duo (Mewtwo and Mew)
Cyndaquil family (regular and Hisuian Typhlosion available)
Quagsire
Weather trio (Kyogre, Groudon and Rayquaza)
Lake spirits (Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf)
Reality trio (Dialga, Palkia and Giratina, Altered and Origin formes of all three available)
Heatran
Cresselia
Arceus
Oshawott family (regular and Hisuian Samurott available)
Forces of Nature (Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus and Enamorus from Legends, Incarnate and Therian formes of all four available)
Meloetta (both Aria and Pirouette forms available)
Chespin family
Fennekin family
Froakie family (unsure about Ash-Greninja)
Carbink
Diancie
Hoopa (Confined and Unbound formes available)
Volcanion
Rowlet family (regular and Hisuian Decidueye available)
Magearna (regular and Original Color forms available)
Grookey family
Scorbunny family
Sobble family
Perrserker
Warrior trio (Zacian, Zamazenta and Eternatus, Hero of Many Battles and Crowned formes for former two available)
Kubfu family (Single and Rapid Strike Urshifu available)
Zarude (regular and Dada forms available)
Regieleki and Regidrago
Royalty trio (Glastrier, Spectrier and Calyrex, Absofused forms of Calyrex available)
Wyrdeer
Kleavor
Ursaluna
Basculegion
Sneasler
Overqwil

Grand Total: 476

 

[Litleonid]

My hopes
-95 new Pokemon to hit 1000 exactly. 18 variants.
-At least a regional dex of 450.
-Seeing Pokemon that didn't get to appear in SwSh, BDSP, and PLA like the Kalos starters.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

Well it's already been confirmed that Dexit is still in effect (not that this is much of a surprise). So the big question is how many Pokemon are in the game and which ones?

I'm growing concerned because most of the Dexit era games have had smaller regional dexes with diversity issues, but those games were also based on old content which had smaller regional dexes to begin with while the only exception is a newer game (SwSh). Still, I'm worried that the jump to console and the shift towards more open areas might mean smaller regional dexes are here to stay.

Additionally, there are IIRC about 60 Pokemon that didn't make the cut to any Gen 8 game. I'd like to see all of them in this game. And out of the small selection we've seen, there hasn't been a lot of promise towards them addressing that. The only missing Pokemon from Gen 8 currently confirmed for SV is the Flabebe line and there's been a lot of common, recently shown Pokemon reappearing in this game (Pikachu, Psyduck, Magnemite, Combee, Drifloon). I don't want them to set a precedent of certain Pokemon being gone for multiple generations and having to wait potentially 5-10 years to see them again, so I'm going to be keeping an eye out to see if they bring some of these Pokemon back.

 

[Pokemon Power]

My hopes
-95 new Pokemon to hit 1000 exactly. 18 variants.
-At least a regional dex of 450.
-Seeing Pokemon that didn't get to appear in SwSh, BDSP, and PLA like the Kalos starters.

I think it would be more like 1,001, as a callback to how the first generation had 151.

 

[Kangaflora]

If the trend for new Regional Forms continue, I can see 20 Pokémon getting new Regional Forms. They could use the scrapped Gorochu as a brand new Regional Form for Raichu. I for one would like to see Alakazam have a new Regional Form alongside Dunsparce, Pinsir, Heracross and Shuckle. I would also love to see different forms for Sirfetch'd, Mr. Rime, Cursola, Obstagoon, Perrserker and Runerigus as Pokémon that evolve from the regular forms of Farfetch'd, Mr. Mime, Corsola, Linoone, Meowth and Yamask respectively via a new Evolution item.

 

[Satoshi & Touko]

Hopefully the regional dex includes Cubchoo, Lillipup, Starly, and Shinx.

 

[Pokemon Power]

Hopefully the regional dex includes Cubchoo, Lillipup, Starly, and Shinx.

Starly was the first Pokemon they showed in the trailer.

 

[Fairy Queen]

I saw that Flabebe was confirmed, but I didn't find it in the trailer? Where was it shown?

But I'm SO excited it is back, I missed it so much since it wasn't in any Gen 8 game.

 

[Bolt the Cat]

I saw that Flabebe was confirmed, but I didn't find it in the trailer? Where was it shown?

But I'm SO excited it is back, I missed it so much since it wasn't in any Gen 8 game.

There appear to be a few of them sitting in the grass by the player's house.

Check 2:14 in the trailer. They're really tiny (but that's accurate scaling, as the dex says they're only 4 in/0.1 m tall), but they seem to be there.

 

[greninjamaster]

Does anyone think any of the Pokemon in the trailer will have a regional evolution? I'm hoping Seviper since it got a whole shot. Would love for him to get an evolution finally.

 

[Wulava]

There appear to be a few of them sitting in the grass by the player's house.

Check 2:14 in the trailer. They're really tiny (but that's accurate scaling, as the dex says they're only 4 in/0.1 m tall), but they seem to be there.

Wow. That's really hard to spot since they easily blend in. Can't wait to find Joltik if it's in.

 

[Ultra Beast Lover]

I saw that Flabebe was confirmed, but I didn't find it in the trailer? Where was it shown?

But I'm SO excited it is back, I missed it so much since it wasn't in any Gen 8 game.

It's hidden in the grass, it's at the part where the player is running away from the mansion

 

[nickdt]

Perfect region to give Tauros (And by extension Miltank) a regional form.

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

I think this might be the region where we finally get a proper dolphin Pokémon judging by the coastline we saw in the trailer. Surprised there weren’t any regional forms shown though as there usually is a tiny glimpse of one in reveal trailers. Also Venonat and Venomoth deserve a spot in this Dex as they were only in the first 2 Gens’ Dexes while every other Gen 1 Pokémon have been in at least one more regional Dex since GSC.

 

[Pokemon Power]

Perfect region to give Tauros (And by extension Miltank) a regional form.

I think a shared pre-evolution would be more fitting for those two.

 

[MrJechgo]

Unpopular opinion: I want GameFreak to select every single missing typing in standard play, including typings that are exclusive to Legendaries and Mythicals, and make one design per typing. Once that's done, then focus on other returning typings.

Personal wishlist:

• First bird being Electric/Flying, based on bustards
• Second bird being Fairy/Flying, based on flamingos, and bonus points if it has a flaminco flair
• Third bird being Grass/Flying, based on grouses
• Rodent being Normal/Steel, based on porcupines
• Regional Tauros and Miltank being Normal/Rock... and Miltank still hated
• Pikachu clone being Electric/Fighting, based on hares
• Snake being Poison/Steel, based on snub-nosed vipers

 

[Kdude146]

I think this would be the perfect region to be the original region of Corphish & Crawdaunt since every region we have had since the introduction of regional forms there is always one of them that is said to be the original form of the species. My idea is they are Water/Rock type. The minerals in the water give Corphish and Crawdaunt a rocky shell. These minerals are only found in this region so when people took them to other regions they lost their rocky shell.

 

[masdog]

Well it's already been confirmed that Dexit is still in effect (not that this is much of a surprise). So the big question is how many Pokemon are in the game and which ones?

Where was this confirmed? I don't see it anywhere on the official English page in the text or as a footnote. I know there is a screenshot posted on the Serebii twitter account, but they don't link to the actual source. It's also not listed as a footnote in the announcement trailer. So...citation needed.

If this is true, then its kind of frustrating. I can understand not having a NatDex in the newer games or making every Pokemon catchable in the wild. But now that we have Pokemon Home, we should be able to carry forward our Pokemon from previous generations.

Or they need to move the VCG out of the mainline game and into a game dedicated to battling and competitive.

 

[Endless]

Where was this confirmed? I don't see it anywhere on the official English page in the text or as a footnote. I know there is a screenshot posted on the Serebii twitter account, but they don't link to the actual source. It's also not listed as a footnote in the announcement trailer. So...citation needed.

If this is true, then its kind of frustrating. I can understand not having a NatDex in the newer games or making every Pokemon catchable in the wild. But now that we have Pokemon Home, we should be able to carry forward our Pokemon from previous generations.

Or they need to move the VCG out of the mainline game and into a game dedicated to battling and competitive.

It's listed in a footnote in the press release: https://press.pokemon.com/en/releas...MES-POKEMON-SCARLET-AND-POKEMON-VIOLET-#_ftn1
[1]Each game that can receive Pokémon via Pokémon HOME can receive only Pokémon that can be obtained in that particular game. To find out what Pokémon appear in Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet, please look forward to the release of those games.

 

[PrinceOfFacade]

It's listed in a footnote in the press release: https://press.pokemon.com/en/releas...MES-POKEMON-SCARLET-AND-POKEMON-VIOLET-#_ftn1
[1]Each game that can receive Pokémon via Pokémon HOME can receive only Pokémon that can be obtained in that particular game. To find out what Pokémon appear in Pokémon Scarlet and Pokémon Violet, please look forward to the release of those games.

Good, I like it this way.

This makes regional dexes far more unique and worth investing in. I'm excited to see which 'mons make the cut!