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Gender Equality in 2016 - What Is Still Unjust?

Discussion in 'Debate Forum' started by U.N. Owen, Aug 6, 2016.

  1. SlowPokeBroKing

    SlowPokeBroKing Future Gym Leader

    If you think feminism is sexist because it focuses on women's inequality, you don't get it. You may get it one day because I used to think like you, but as of right now, you don't get it.
     
  2. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Which isn't a gender issue. You choose your job.

    Which has more to do with the overarching patriarchal system that stereotypes mothers as caregivers.

    While I agree with you objectively, what this statement lacks is nuance. The amount of false accusations done pale in comparison to the amount of times rape happens, and that is even considering how under-reported it is.

    I'm curious: do you know how child custody actually works? I don't think you do.
     
  3. L. Lawliet

    L. Lawliet Black Ice Trainer

    dude(tte) i went through my parents divorce. i gaurantee you i know a hell of a lot about it
     
  4. SlowPokeBroKing

    SlowPokeBroKing Future Gym Leader

    Perhaps, but I think it has more to do with the fact that the woman deserves custody due to her carrying and giving birth to the child. Men deserve far less right to their children since all they physically invested in the child is a couple thrusts and some sperm. If men went through the same agonizing pain of child-bearing and -birthing, maybe then they should be provided with custody equality. But as of right now, that has happened literally zero times.
     
  5. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    However, your statement says otherwise. The judge picks based on a plethora of factors in what's best for the child. There is rarely such a thing as even custody. If they rule a parent is unfit or that a child would be happier with another parent whether it relate to abuse, drugs, alcohol, or finances, they will do that. It can almost never be "even". That doesn't mean the child isn't allowed to never, ever see the parent, but the only way both kids can evenly spend time with their family is.. *gasp* to not divorce in the first place.
     
  6. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Also when men actually try for custody they win majority of the time. It's just they never make the full effort.
     
  7. Auraninja

    Auraninja Gre-nin-ja!

    I have felt that way through my parents divorce. Living with my dad eventually became the roller coaster that drove into hell.

    It brings me up to this. Would a court be biased in favor of a man to a woman in divorce cases? What about a man suing a woman and vice versa?

    Actually, the city that gave my dad the case also jailed a woman over a crime she didn't commit, complete with Miranda Rights violations, and choppy examinations of witnesses.

    Edit: I feel that gender bias happens in the legal system. Take the athlete who got 6 months for a convicted rape.
     
    Last edited: Aug 16, 2016
  8. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...

    This just gave me flashbacks to several things people did in high school...
     
  9. GhostAnime

    GhostAnime Searching for her...

    Wait.. what do you mean by this?
     
  10. U.N. Owen

    U.N. Owen In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night ...

    I've testified to this drama in court or to the principal before. Let's just say both sides said some things that were utterly stupid. That's as far I am putting it.
     
  11. Who says this? I agree that having two parents is better than one, but not because one of them is masculine and one of them is feminine.
     
  12. Sadib

    Sadib Time Lord Victorious

    Perhaps you phrased your post incorrectly, but it sounds like you are going out of your way to claim that the rape victim said some stupid things.
     
  13. lemoncatpower

    lemoncatpower Cynical optimist

    Agreed. I think it's more psychologically damaging to pass on the idea that you have to grow up with a masculine and feminine person in your life. Single parents can do great although they usually face a lot more problems than co parents like problems with balancing time and money for the children. These problems I think should be brought up with the government and they should provide increased children benefits if they are a single parents. Or give them add health benefits to help, or decreased rent.

    Nothing at all to do with masculinity and femininity.
     
  14. T.W.I.

    T.W.I. Undercover Rocket

    I also agree that a parents masculine/feminine roles should not matter. However I do think it's healthier if a child lacks a parent with a matching sex, that they have a close relation to an older family member of the same sex.

    I say this as a gay married man. I in no way believe I would fail as a father if I had a daughter, but I would be concerned that she would/might want a more familiar confidant/mentor about the challenges of a girl growing up. I say this simply cause biologically men and women do go through different changes and pressures. ie. getting her first period and how to deal with it. I know only as much as health class and internet research can tell me. But I do not believe any of it amounts to advice from someone who went/goes through the challenges first hand.

    But honestly, this can go the same for single parents. As you said, It's not about masculines/feminines roles at all. It's all about giving the child a proper adviser with first hand experience.
     
  15. chess-z

    chess-z campy vampire

    The sad fact is that our (American) system is horribly skewed against woman and minorities. Asking the question "What is still unjust." implies that the OP doesn't know why we're still talking about this. Sexist statements will still be sexist even as we're fighting for equality.

    That being said the science is in on having masculine/feminine parents and it turns out that gay couples statiscally raise happier and socially healthier choldren than straight couples. Now the reasons behind this are varied but it is my personal belief is that the subversion of the nuclear family creates a stronger place to grow up (someone please correct or disagree with me I want to learn more on this subject).
     
  16. bobjr

    bobjr It's Fusion, I don't have to expalin it. Staff Member Moderator

    Well this is the point that Gay couples often have to put in a lot of time and money to even have a kid, where straight couples can have accidents all the time when they aren't prepared financially or emotionally.
     

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