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^^^ ....HOLY s**t you're right. I saw that she was a kinda tragic character, but so much more I didn't realise was mentioned. Lusamine is defo the most tragic character, and I never thought I'd say that anyone other than N was the most tragic character. They went full-on with the Sun/Moon plot, and it all paid off with the emotional rollercoaster ride of Lusamine's life, which might just actually make my sister notice that hey, Pokemon can be pretty cool after all.

I said that this plot looked deeper and darker than the unexplored ocean, and not only was I right, but Ultra Space literally looks like the bottom of an ocean, and it was previously unexplored... lol.
 

Kingudora

My favourite
I'm very interested how her recovery will go. And her reflections of the whole situation.

N will probably will not be beat when it comes to the most messed-up backstory, but I feel that what Lusamine became reduced down to is more horrifying.

I would be surprised if Lusamine won't suffer through severe depressions after this. If it weren't for it being Pokémon, I could definitely see Lusamine tackling with suicidal thoughts.

I can imagine that after getting the toxins out of her body it was like waking up from a long nightmare. Mostly likely has it been a few years that has gone by, with her only vaguely aware of her actions while intoxicated. But she now has to deal with the aftermath caused by what presumably feels like an entirely different person.

Drawing parallells to drug abuse seem very fitting.
 
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Sαpphire

Johto Champion
The previous three posts pretty much sum up why Lusamine has become my favorite character in the games, and one of my favorites in the series so far. I loved having a woman as the main villain, finally - since we've so far had Giovanni, Archer, Maxie, Archie, Cyrus, Ghetsis, and Lysandre as the "big bads" - but there was so much more to her character than just being evil for the sake of it. She was clearly a highly intelligent, successful woman capable of running the Aether Foundation that was left to her; she was a mother who lost a husband, and was as such a character with whom it is incredibly easy to empathize. She's a skilled trainer in her own right (she beat me!), she took up the likely incredibly complex research of her husband after his disappearance, and had an incredibly noble passion for protecting weaker Pokemon before everything happened.

She's one of those characters for whom I just can't help but wish we had an entire movie, or something, to explore her persona and her history in more depth. Much like N from Unova, her motivations can't be boiled down to one simple mantra or concise ideology, and that's not something that Pokemon as a series has always been able to successfully incorporate while aiming for a dual audience of adult gamers and younger children.
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
how did everyone feel about hau. He didn't feel like a rival to me

As far as Hau as a rival goes, he just wasn't. The only reason I even call him a rival is because he fills the niche. A rival is supposed to be someone who drives you to defeat them and get better in the process. Hau completely failed on that front.

As a character, he was alright. He started the game with a promising story arc of putting up this goofy and happy facade in order to cope with his inabilities as a trainer, which have only been encouraged by the fact that his grandpa is overly soft on him. However, he story never felt resolved to me. Hau never realized what his problem was, or even tried to overcome it.
 

Taodragon

Training Anaylst
As a character, he was alright. He started the game with a promising story arc of putting up this goofy and happy facade in order to cope with his inabilities as a trainer, which have only been encouraged by the fact that his grandpa is overly soft on him. However, he story never felt resolved to me. Hau never realized what his problem was, or even tried to overcome it.

I think that's my biggest issue with Hau as well, the story does highlight that he has some insecurities revolving around his abilities as a trainer and his relationship with his grandfather, but they never really tackle that for him. He still remains the same happy guy that we met at the beginning, and while he doesn't have to undergo a big change like Lillie, there still could've been some sort of recognition of those insecurities. Like Plumeria, I think he could've used more time that focused on him exclusively as while he does pop up as the 'rival' character, he mostly is there to bounce off of you and others around him rather then build upon himself. While he does fill that role OK, I think he had potential to be a bit more as a character, and there are some missed opportunities in not exploring some of those aspects of him.
 

goodpeople25

Well-Known Member
I thought Hau was a fine character/rival and developed fine. But then interpretations differ, for one I think the insecurities are not really supposed to be the main point. His attitude is not a facade but there is stuff behind it and he has some issues with going a bit too far but I think they resolved that by the end and I don't think it required that much focus because I didn't se eit as the main point.

But then pokemon has always had a pacing issue (how much is the series and individual games and how much is the medium of video game and type of video game is the question I guess) that makes picking up smaller stuff more difficult imo. For example he mentions finally beating Hala going all out in his title defence dialogue but I don't know if that's his initial text or the ones that replace it afterwards (both of which I can see being overlooked) same with his "hard to be strong enough to admit your weak" statement being his lose quote. So I can see them being missed especially if Hau didn't give you a good impression prior. But then I appreciate attempts at subtlety and not just doing arcs that more easily stick out. (I think jerk rivals were a great choice to start with because of those issues but it shouldn't define the postion)
 

Aetius

Well-Known Member
Lusamine is easily one of the most tragic, if not the most tragic pokemon character. Make no mistake, the things she did were horrible and she will have to take responsibility to make amends. The verbal abuse she directed towards Lillie I never thought I would see in a pokémon game.

But wow, Lusamine's circumstances were really horrible.

In the past

She inherited a large science foundation from her father, sharing his love and desire to protect weak and otherwise endangered pokemon.

Mohn, who was Lusamine's husband, worked on a side project about Ultra Wormholes. Very different from their typical ecological research, but necessary to learn about the Ultra Beasts, which continued to threathen both humans and pokemon.

Disaster strikes

However, one day one of Mohn's experiments went wrong and he was sucked into a wormhole. He left nothing behind except his research notes and a Cosmog.

Lusamine was devastated. Upset with grief, she took over his research, determined to found out what happened to her husband. She would never be the same after this, but at this point she was a far cry from what she would turn into. It was presumably at the same time as Aether started working on creating Type: Null, for her to take "revenge" on the Ultra Beasts.

However, as her research continued, she came in contact more and more times with Nihilego. This was where the downward spiral really started to happen.

Nihilego, not even once

Before we continue, we have to talk about Nihilego. From what we know about Nihilego and its neurotoxin;

1. It makes you feel amazing and like you can do anything.

2. It is probably highly addictive, largely because of point 1.

3. It removes your inhibitions and affects your behaviour and personality.

Point 3 is very dangerous, because removing your inhibitions means that you are removing your rationality.

Someone had this as an example: what would happen to a stereotypical office worker whose greatest desire is to get promoted, if influenced by Nihilego?
First he would get highly productive, at an unnatural level. His body probably would get burned out but the toxin makes him feel fine. Due to the parasitic nature of Nihilego, the reason why he wanted the promotion in the first place will become warped and turn into something that would benefit Nihilego instead. But what would happen if he doesn't get promoted anyway? His dampened inhibitions would lead to him to act upon the irrational thoughts that would "help" him to get promoted. Such as sabotaging for his co-workers or boss, possibly even going so far to outright killing them. Because at that point, any action that will get him promoted somehow will seem sound.

Lusamine's down-ward spiral

And this is what happened to Lusamine. Her research focused less and less on finding her husband, and more on the Ultra Beasts themselves. I wonder if she maybe at some point thought that they might help her?

Her ideals of beauty and ambition to protect and preserve pokemon became warped. She started to cryonically freeze the pokemon she loved and cared about so much. That way their "beauty" would never be tarnished and be "safe" forever! Clearly!

Similarly, her kids started to become a nuisance to her. They were a distraction in her attempts to connect with the Ultra Beasts. They couldn't help her, thus were not important and "ugly". Lusamine presumably even ordered Lillie to dress up to look like the likeness of Nihilego, to be able to stand her.
This eventually turn into an outright rejection of her kids, feeling betrayed when they run away with Cosmog and Type: Null respectively.

When you meet her first time in-game, she is just a shell of her old self. She still loves all pokemon (but *just more so* if they're ultra beasts). But it doesn't take long until you notice the cracks in the facade.

When you meet her in the Ultra Space, she is at the end of the disaster spiral. At this point, the toxins have clouded her mind so much that only thing she cares about is Nihilego. She has finally entered Ultra Space, but the reason she wanted reach it in the first place is all gone. Mohn, her kids, Pokémon, even the world she came from.. none of that matter anymore to her, only Nihilego. When you and Lillie confront her the final time, she hits rock-bottom by merging with Nihilego. At this point, she is not even a person anymore, she is more or less a part of Nihilego.

This would probably been the end for Lusamine, if she had not been saved by Nebby (and suffer through probably the most rough start of a de-tox treatment ever).

The aftermath

After this point, what awaits her is the long and painful recovery from the toxins along with slowly realizing all the things she has done (involuntarily) the last couple years of her life. All things she cared about before, along with her own self, suffered because of her own actions. She had turned the Aether Foundation into something she and her father would never have allowed to, hired Team Skull to actively hurt and abuse Pokémon, she disowned and abused her beloved kids, forcibly froze her pokémon, tortured Cosmog for her own end.

What I find extra tragic is the fact is that the Nihilego didn't affect Lusamine out of any malicious intent. In fact, they seem mostly unaware of their neurotoxin and what it does. Unlike many other parasites, it doesn't infect hosts because of personal gain (like sustenance) but as a self-defense mechanism. It is just content to gain extra protection and care from something or someone.

So all this happened in Sun/Moon not because of some evil being. It was just a desperate and hurt Lusamine encountering confused and afraid Nihilego, acting on self-defense instinct. And neither of them were aware what the effects would be.

Tl;dr

Lusamine was once a happy and loving woman, loses her husband in freak wormhole accident. Desperate, she takes over his research. During this she encounters Nihilego, gets intoxicated with its highly dangerous neurotoxin and begins to change in personality. Becomes increasingly obsessed with Ultra beasts and in the process everything she cared for suffers because of her actions. Eventually, after entering Ultra Space and losing so much of her own self, she only cares about Nihilego and decides to merge with one.

Lillie, Main Character and Nebby intervene, with Nebby forcibly blasting Lusamine loose. After having most of the neurotoxins removed, she has to deal with the slow realiazations of all the horrible she thing has done while still trying to recover from the toxins.

And she doesn't even know that Mohn is still alive.

You and I dear sir (or miss XD) seem to share the same opinion. LOL
Just posted something similiar in the General Discussion section, albeit a bit more focused on the UB's appearances in Alola. :D
However, you were more succesful in capturing Lusamine's tragedy with your post.
I thank you for sharing your two cents on such a beautiful character. :D
 

YonaNoveau

Well-Known Member
I absolutely loved Lusamine as a villiain as well, especially how she was a change from evil conqueror or "visionary" to simply someone operating for more personal reasons. And well, I have a soft spot for psychopathic villiains especially when they pull out their crazy smiles, and Lusamine has an absolutely magnificent one. XD

Speaking of... I am aware that it was Lusamine herself making all the horrible actions, but it's pretty much stated that the reason Lusamine went insane was due to Nihilego's influence. What I am going about is... I wonder why some fans have such hard time accepting Lusamine turning a new leaf. I mean, the game openly says the origins of her worsts actions weren't really her fault to call her a monster like Ghetsis. Don't get me wrong, she did many horrible things and while Nihilego did give the push, Lusamine's motivations were already budding there, what I am saying is that she wasn't evil per se and what drove her there is being healed allowing her to go back to her better days and more importantly make up for it.

I do wonder about one thing: Does the Player Character know that Mohn is Lusamine's husband/Lillie and Gladion's dad? I mean, does the encounter with the guy at the Poke Pelago count as canon to the story or the hints to piece together the whole connection do? Perhaps not, but still.

On a more random thought: What do you guys think was Lusamine's personality before being driven insane by Nihilego? We know from Lillie's comments that she was a loving and understanding mother, perhaps strict and a bit controlling given that was what pretty much exploded with Nihilego, but other aspects? I dunno why I can't help but picture her as rather eccentric and a bit "childish" when around her kids and veeery affectionate, contrasting with the professional and dignified image he would project as the head of the Aether Foundation to strangers and coworkers.
 

Aetius

Well-Known Member
I absolutely loved Lusamine as a villiain as well, especially how she was a change from evil conqueror or "visionary" to simply someone operating for more personal reasons. And well, I have a soft spot for psychopathic villiains especially when they pull out their crazy smiles, and Lusamine has an absolutely magnificent one. XD

Speaking of... I am aware that it was Lusamine herself making all the horrible actions, but it's pretty much stated that the reason Lusamine went insane was due to Nihilego's influence. What I am going about is... I wonder why some fans have such hard time accepting Lusamine turning a new leaf. I mean, the game openly says the origins of her worsts actions weren't really her fault to call her a monster like Ghetsis. Don't get me wrong, she did many horrible things and while Nihilego did give the push, Lusamine's motivations were already budding there, what I am saying is that she wasn't evil per se and what drove her there is being healed allowing her to go back to her better days and more importantly make up for it.

I do wonder about one thing: Does the Player Character know that Mohn is Lusamine's husband/Lillie and Gladion's dad? I mean, does the encounter with the guy at the Poke Pelago count as canon to the story or the hints to piece together the whole connection do? Perhaps not, but still.

On a more random thought: What do you guys think was Lusamine's personality before being driven insane by Nihilego? We know from Lillie's comments that she was a loving and understanding mother, perhaps strict and a bit controlling given that was what pretty much exploded with Nihilego, but other aspects? I dunno why I can't help but picture her as rather eccentric and a bit "childish" when around her kids and veeery affectionate, contrasting with the professional and dignified image he would project as the head of the Aether Foundation to strangers and coworkers.

Are there people who are even thinking that about Lusamine? O_O
Anyway, Gladion clearly states that his father's name is Mohn and I doubt that we're talking about Homonims here. XD
Going back to Lusamine, from the episode that Lillie told us about her infancy, we can tell that Lusamine was an affectionate mother.
Probably the "loss" of her husband and the contacts with Nihilego created a dangerous mix that exploded soon after that event.
 

shadowF

Well-Known Member
Does Anyone consider Gladion as an official rival? because I do.
 

Ophie

Salingerian Phony
I thought Hau was a fine character/rival and developed fine. But then interpretations differ, for one I think the insecurities are not really supposed to be the main point. His attitude is not a facade but there is stuff behind it and he has some issues with going a bit too far but I think they resolved that by the end and I don't think it required that much focus because I didn't se eit as the main point.

But then pokemon has always had a pacing issue (how much is the series and individual games and how much is the medium of video game and type of video game is the question I guess) that makes picking up smaller stuff more difficult imo. For example he mentions finally beating Hala going all out in his title defence dialogue but I don't know if that's his initial text or the ones that replace it afterwards (both of which I can see being overlooked) same with his "hard to be strong enough to admit your weak" statement being his lose quote. So I can see them being missed especially if Hau didn't give you a good impression prior. But then I appreciate attempts at subtlety and not just doing arcs that more easily stick out. (I think jerk rivals were a great choice to start with because of those issues but it shouldn't define the postion)

I did see some character development in him, though until the raid on Aether Foundation with Gladion, it's subtle. Namely, at the beginning of the game, he is not very confident as a trainer but tries to hide it beneath a cheery veneer. By the end of the game, he has gained the confidence he wanted. It's just that he has the same cheery disposition he had at the start (only now it's genuine), so it can look like he never changed at all.

Speaking of... I am aware that it was Lusamine herself making all the horrible actions, but it's pretty much stated that the reason Lusamine went insane was due to Nihilego's influence. What I am going about is... I wonder why some fans have such hard time accepting Lusamine turning a new leaf. I mean, the game openly says the origins of her worsts actions weren't really her fault to call her a monster like Ghetsis. Don't get me wrong, she did many horrible things and while Nihilego did give the push, Lusamine's motivations were already budding there, what I am saying is that she wasn't evil per se and what drove her there is being healed allowing her to go back to her better days and more importantly make up for it.

Fans of any particular thing, especially the speculative type, like to project how they feel about a particular character beyond how they're depicted in the story. If such a fan does not really like Lusamine, he or she will be less forgiving to that character than the writers intended. The inverse is true too: If a fan really connects with a character, he or she will feel protective towards that character.

For an example outside of Pokémon, look no further than Shadow the Hedgehog. There are some people who sympathize with him and see him as a tortured soul, created for evil means without an evil heart, and confused about what he wants to be. Then there are some people who don't like him very much, seeing him as whiny, self-centered, and too caught up in the past, and they just want to see misfortune fall on him.

The people you speak of see Lusamine as smeone unlikable, for one reason or another. There are probably many possibilities (that they might believe the Nihilego venom is not curable, that they might not believe the Nihilego venom completely controlled her, that they cannot forgive any parent character who treats their children in the way Lusamine did even under the influence, that they have parents themselves who behave like venom-controlled Lusamine and never reformed and so they don't see how Lusamine can reform, that they just rushed through the story and missed important pieces of dialogue, or they just don't like the Heel-Face Turn narrative device), but which kind doesn't matter: What they all have in common is a dislike of Lusamine in one way or another and a good dose of cynicism.
 

clbgolden12

Alolan (and soon to be Galarian) trainer
I probably would've liked Gladion more if you battled him more than three times...
 

YonaNoveau

Well-Known Member
I did see some character development in him, though until the raid on Aether Foundation with Gladion, it's subtle. Namely, at the beginning of the game, he is not very confident as a trainer but tries to hide it beneath a cheery veneer. By the end of the game, he has gained the confidence he wanted. It's just that he has the same cheery disposition he had at the start (only now it's genuine), so it can look like he never changed at all.



Fans of any particular thing, especially the speculative type, like to project how they feel about a particular character beyond how they're depicted in the story. If such a fan does not really like Lusamine, he or she will be less forgiving to that character than the writers intended. The inverse is true too: If a fan really connects with a character, he or she will feel protective towards that character.

For an example outside of Pokémon, look no further than Shadow the Hedgehog. There are some people who sympathize with him and see him as a tortured soul, created for evil means without an evil heart, and confused about what he wants to be. Then there are some people who don't like him very much, seeing him as whiny, self-centered, and too caught up in the past, and they just want to see misfortune fall on him.

The people you speak of see Lusamine as smeone unlikable, for one reason or another. There are probably many possibilities (that they might believe the Nihilego venom is not curable, that they might not believe the Nihilego venom completely controlled her, that they cannot forgive any parent character who treats their children in the way Lusamine did even under the influence, that they have parents themselves who behave like venom-controlled Lusamine and never reformed and so they don't see how Lusamine can reform, that they just rushed through the story and missed important pieces of dialogue, or they just don't like the Heel-Face Turn narrative device), but which kind doesn't matter: What they all have in common is a dislike of Lusamine in one way or another and a good dose of cynicism.

Hau also had a it of growth regarding him seeing pokemon training as just a perpetual game, which coincidentally was Gladion's issue with him at first. While he never really let go of his mindset that battles and trails as a trainer should be an exciting experience he also learned that there are moments where you have to take responsibilities. Really liked that of him, really, he was such a BFF.

So with Lusamine it comes just to how much you sympathyze with her. Kinda thought that as well. I am aware that many wouldn't feel "man, she makes such a good villiain" anytime she did something awful and would just feel "Dude, she's horrible!" and feel she got off easy given she didn't really get onscreen comeuppance as most of the consequences are still incoming even if they look pretty ugly in the future. Guess not everybody likes hating on a villiain.

I probably would've liked Gladion more if you battled him more than three times...

I really wish he had gotten more scenes and dialogue with Lillie. Despite the importance that was implied in their relatioship at least on Gladion's side, Lillie really didn't bring up his brother or his relationship with him outside the one comment he made to him (along the lines of "You left me when I needed you..."). I really felt this became noticeable on Lillie's departure, Gladion really should have been there as well to say goodbye. I know probably offscreen they said farewell and Gladion told his sis that he would cover both her and Lusamine by looking after Aether meanwhile they were in Kanto, but that was an pretty important event to not include directly.
 

Akashin

Well-Known Member
Gladion is the best rival we've had since Silver. The rival should be an antagonistic character. Blue and Silver fit that role.

I couldn't disagree more. A rival should be competitive and driven to defeat you (and this is why, much as I like Hugh overall, I wasn't all that fond of him as a rival; you were more sparring partners than anything), but I don't see them being outright antagonistic about it as a necessity. In that sense, Wally's scream of pure frustration after you beat him at Victory Road in ORAS is one of my favorite rival moments.
 
I couldn't disagree more. A rival should be competitive and driven to defeat you (and this is why, much as I like Hugh overall, I wasn't all that fond of him as a rival; you were more sparring partners than anything), but I don't see them being outright antagonistic about it as a necessity. In that sense, Wally's scream of pure frustration after you beat him at Victory Road in ORAS is one of my favorite rival moments.

I actually agree with both. I think there are many interpretations of the word "rival".

For example, if I battle my friend in Pokemon via wifi, I want to win against them because I want to see how strong my team is, and that makes me a rival in that sense. Another example is Cheren - he's your childhood friend, but he'll still battle you to make himself stronger, and sees you as a rival in that sense. One character who it's been disputed on as to whether they are a rival or not is N, but, looking from the point of view of rival, we can see that N wants to battle you to see which moral is right, and that can be seen as a rival too. The term "rival" can be used in so many different contexts that saying a rival should be like this or that isn't really that good.
 

MysticKnives

Well-Known Member
I actually agree with both. I think there are many interpretations of the word "rival".

For example, if I battle my friend in Pokemon via wifi, I want to win against them because I want to see how strong my team is, and that makes me a rival in that sense. Another example is Cheren - he's your childhood friend, but he'll still battle you to make himself stronger, and sees you as a rival in that sense. One character who it's been disputed on as to whether they are a rival or not is N, but, looking from the point of view of rival, we can see that N wants to battle you to see which moral is right, and that can be seen as a rival too. The term "rival" can be used in so many different contexts that saying a rival should be like this or that isn't really that good.
This. I've certainly talked with people who don't really view Hau as a rival, even though I do.
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
Anyway, Gladion clearly states that his father's name is Mohn and I doubt that we're talking about Homonims here. XD

Does he? When and where? I was under the assumption that Mohn being his father was a theory.

Does Anyone consider Gladion as an official rival? because I do.

Well, he does fit the antagonistic role much better, and was a better character all-in-all. His Silvally also had the type that that was strong against your starter, so there's that too. I don't know if I would call him the true rival, but he certainly fits the role better than Hau.
 

Aetius

Well-Known Member
Does he? When and where? I was under the assumption that Mohn being his father was a theory.

Go talk with him at Aether Paradise after finishing the main plot.
He will give you a Type: Null, ROMs for your Silvally and talk a little about his past, as well as his father. :D
 

Legendary Dreams

Well-Known Member
Here's my review on the (main) characters in the main story (haven't started the UB one mainly because I'm still figuring out the best Natures & stat distributions for all the UBs).

Kukui - Probably my favorite professor, because of how involved he is throughout the storyline. He's more of a Tour Guide than a professor because of that (I mean for a professor researching moves all I remember from him regarding attacks was his "My Body is Ready!" to Rockruff, and pretty much all the Z-Moves were demonstrated by the Captains/Kahunas instead), but I really liked the Tour Guide aspect of him so much I'll excuse that. You can tell he practically "lives" as opposed to the other professors, he reminisces about his Kanto days, but they really displayed his growth on Alola very well with people knowing him (in the close way, not the reputation way), especially from Guzma and Molayne. He's probably one of the better-supported characters, since he has supporting characters of his own (Burnet and Molayne mainly), while he has a double-support role with the likes of Guzma.

Hau - I can tell he was going to be polarizing from the get-go, he's either the purest sunshine cinnamon roll, or just annoyingly over-optimistic depending on the individual. I'll let that pass since it is Pokemon after all (although I mainly gave him the deadpan answers in the speech options), but I can really feel the awkwardness in his character development (if it can be called as such) - he had some issues being "known as Hala's Grandson" (while keeping his happy aura), but I couldn't feel it from any other character (Olivia was even on the other side, for starters), so his over-optimism masking that pretty much obliterated it as an issue. His other issue (of not being strong enough) when Lillie was taken to the Foundation was just plain generic and suffered along with the plot-rush we experienced from that point on. So, while I'm okay with Hau's character, his development was dismal to me at least.

Lillie - Well, if there was a budget for character development, no prizes for guessing where most of it went to. If anything, the whole story is more about her than us, making us the effective "Hands of Lillie" who do all the dirty work (Our atrocious facial expressions not helping the case). Designed to be cute and tragic, then determined (and still cute), Lillie was no doubt the lynchpin of the entire plot machine. Her dynamic with "Get in the Bag" Nebby was so good it created a meme of its own. I always feel bad for these "woobie" characters, so unlike with Hau I picked all the "comforting" answers, although I can see why some people prefer to "tease" her instead. Her character is great, but considering the effort put behind was so obvious, it had better be great.

Gladion - Lillie took all of her brother's budget (assuming Gladion didn't donate his). I'm okay with the antagonistic role, okay with the edginess... except there wasn't enough characterization (well I suppose there's a bit more post-game, but I'm judging main game) that his covering aspects pretty much defined him instead and he felt "shallow". It was redeemed for a bit during the Foundation Arc, but he suffered along with Hau because of the Plot-Rush then so... (well he got more relevance than Hau, at least). He had the best line though... "Get Out" (no Guzma does not beat that). Lillie really needed to spend more time interacting with him the same way she did with us.

Trial Captains - I don't want this to be an entire academic paper on the game, so I'll blaze through them from least to most favorite with as little lines as possible.
Mina - Literally didn't exist due to the plot-rush at the end (pretty much like the Totem Kommo-o if you had a Fairy move).
Ilima - Well he's the first and the normal-type one and is as generic as Trial Captains go.
Mallow - Slightly more interesting than Ilima, but her story still felt somewhat generic.
Kiawe - I liked his story arc, he's the kind of "bro" that wouldn't let you down and really understanding (especially for a Fire-Type Captain).
Sophocles - Individually he would have fared less than Kiawe, but his interaction with Molayne was so adorable (and it's implied he was newly appointed, hence younger). Helps he's the only Trial Captain whose a Title Defense Challenger, so he's like a distant Wally.
Acerola - Capable of holding abovementioned adorableness on her own and adds a spice of attitude in there. E4 membership is no small feat either.
Lana - I'm biased here. She "tricks" you into entering her trial, talks about saving handsome swimmers, but underneath all those facades she's still the responsible oldest sister contributing to the family (and that must come with its burdens). It almost feels like she's being childish to redeem her "lost childhood" from being the oldest, giving her a woobie factor. Tries to be subtle, fails, but tries anyway. If Lillie was ship tease, "My House is Yours too" Lana is a direct proposal right there.

Kahunas - Good thing there's only 4 of them, shorter reviews. Same order.
Hapu - Suffers from the same case of "Missing character" like Mina. You could feel her presence on the other islands were sort of shoved in (her entire story felt like it, so the excuse of exploring other islands falls under that).
Olivia - Like Mallow (along with design attractiveness), Olivia just felt generic in the end.
Hala - I'm okay with friendly grandpa. Kukui snatched a lot of his "Tour Guide" roles (which he could have avoided with "Kahuna Duties" anyway), so he's just there. Hau's lack of development affected his presence somewhat, but it's okay.
Nanu - Kahuna of the Year award. Is only one because Bulu doesn't accept alternatives, doesn't bother with Captain appointments, but still keeps his island relatively safe (okay Team Skull were bumbling, but you need some level of competence to have confined them for so long). Even the plot-rushed induced battle fit his lazy but spontaneous attitude.

Team Skull - This one's talking about the grunts as a whole.... they're sort of like Gladion, but they have better external exposition that paints their tragic story better than Gladion ever recevied, so they're more empathetic than their enforcer by a couple miles. They subvert the "send kids out on adventure and succeed", showing what really happens when you fail and the world (or region) constantly ostracizes you for it. Sure, they aggravated the situation on their own past some point when they completely gave up and turned punk, but you could tell it was caused by both parties.

Plumeria - Sorry, but "Big Sister" is even more generic than Gladion, with pretty much no backstory of her own and no association to even Guzma on a more personal level. Her tidiness contrasts the Team interestingly, but that only served to make her feel like a hired secretary for the Team due to her relative distance from the rest.

Guzma -Your Boy Guzma has the backstory, the supporting characters (Kukui, Plumeria and Hala postgame) to paint the vulnerability that Lusamine took advantage of. I'm literally taking Guzma's position as "Admin" (since the Aether Foundation plot twist was thin as paper 3 seconds in the opening) rather than "Leader", but he was a great character regardless of position (especially so when he was relegated to "Admin"). Bugcatcher, the success story.

Aether Foundation - Wayyyyy blander than Team Skull, but I'll buy the whole "we'll true to our mission" reasoning behind, considering Lusamine wasn't the first President and she wasn't crazy all the way from the start, unlike with Ghetsis and Team Plasma. Wicke and Faba were pretty generic for the characterizations they had, so they're not getting much comments here.

Lusamine - Well, I assume you know the backstory as well, so I'll skip those parts. Tragic? Yes, but that makes her a weaker villain than say... Ghetsis as a result. It's nice to have a break from "World Domination" villains, but Lusamine as a mere "puppet victim" of the first Ultra Beasts just felt underwhelming in some aspects. Even her Pokemon Team reflects that, they're just generic Pokemon with no hint of kindness (even the classic Crobat or the likes of Togekiss in her case would have helped) or non-redemption (Frustration Hydreigon is the sole reason why Ghetsis is the best villain). Lusamine was a victim, but it would have helped if it was demonstrated that she was a "notable victim" than... "just another victim" in Nihilego's tuesday. The backstory presented to us via Lillie and Gladion wasn't sufficient and jarring game-differences when we access Poke Pelago further worsens that state. I understand they were trying to go for a more "personal" attachment, but while they did that well between the characters of the same generation, they didn't do so well for the "family" aspect of between generations. Pretty much Molayne & Sophocles were the closest examples and they aren't that far apart in age as literal cousins. (Hau and Hala are okay, but too far apart in age and every other parent-relationship is either strained or largely irrelevant such as the Akala Trial Captains).
 
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