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Peter Quill

star-lord
The two that I recommend are Revolutionary Girl Utena and Neon Genesis Evangelion. They're really interesting thematically and have pretty engaging narratives (Well Utena has weird bizarre episodes but-) they're two I actually really enjoy.

I used to be such an anime nerd but I don't remember the last time I sat down and watched anime
 

MetalSonic

Orderan' Defendan'
Reminder to eat your vegetables.
 

Kutie Pie

"It is my destiny."
I dunno if I could even recommend like over a hundred anime, but I constantly go out of my way to recommend CLANNAD any chance I get 'cause I still haven't let go of that naïve belief that CLANNAD is the go-to anime to feeling like a human being with a soul. Now that I got into One Piece, however, that's probably the most "I feel like a human being with a soul" anime I've ever seen (in the most positive, energetic aspect, anyway--yeah, still gotta get to the manga). But CLANNAD's always going to be the best romance in my opinion.

For something underrated, I like to point to Ushio and Tora, particularly the manga. Read all of that in three days, and that was quite the roller coaster of emotions.
 

Zora

perpetually tired
Trying to think of anime I think is really good. Ones to come to mind:
- Most UC Gundam anime, esp.: original series (or equivalently movie trilogy), Zeta, Unicorn, and 8th MS Team.
- Ghost in the Shell. Unlike most dystopian anime, GitS feels chillingly realistic in its portrayal of a world with cyborgs.
- Last Exile is underappreciated steampunk. Didn't care for the sequel.
- Cowboy Bebop is always a safe option, especially if you prefer western (as opposed to eastern) animation.
- FMA Brotherhood is probably shonen at its finest; approach it like a summer blockbuster. Gintama is pretty fun being a shonen anime in the same way Galaxy Quest is a Star Trek movie--but its rather long at I want to say 350ish episodes.

But I suppose there's certainly is an acquired taste for anime trope. But, that's about as far I can go with anime recommendations.
 

GrizzlyB

Confused and Dazed
Ah... this will be hard to go through without me sounding like a total nutcase.

So yes the MC is a human (logical reason given in-game that actually works) and there are nine love interests - 8 male, 1 female, all birds, plus the “no love interest” bad end, a bonus route and an epilogue. Only five of those routes have different ends (four are extended versions of those ends if you fit a certain criteria and all variants of all routes are needed to get the epilogue) and one is a game-over (you get no achievement for it and it isn’t required for the epilogue). The bonus route completely loses the idea of the game being a dating sim and is often one of the most praised parts of the series for giving depth and emotion to such a weird and zany world. It’s set in a school in Japan where the MC is the only human (and the only female, logical reason given) to be attending, and for the most part it’s just a cute parody game with intelligent birds being dumb but fully characterised in the process, but then it takes a turn for the (haha not saying spoilers) when the bonus route comes along.

As long as it's not weird just for the sake of being weird, I can get behind it. Since I finally have Steam, maybe I'll put it on my VN shortlist.

Above poster has this covered. You're a human and you date birds. It's less 'cloaca time' and more 'turns out there is more to this and it is rather depressing', though, which is the part that a lot of people don't get, and I think that part of it is that a lot of people think "VN/dating sim = porn"

I mean, some of them are, obviously, but it's kind of funny how the ones that are are worse for it (imo). I've only played two that had hentai in them, and wasn't able to finish either (one was an AU sequel to Clannad, Tomoyo Ever After, and the other was Devil on the G-String, which was supposed to be good (and to be clear, the title is a reference to the classical music composition Air on the G-String, not thongs)).

Oh yeah. Huge issue with a lot of stuff. As ever, I feel like NieR:Automata did this right, game-wise, but not much else in recent memory. If a plot doesn't screw pacing up, it'll screw something else up.

I need to hurry up and get that, then. I was debating between it and Horizon Zero Dawn when they came out, but I got HZD because it was only $40 for some reason. And I still haven't played it.

anime is bad

edit: hello everyone

I mean, a lot of it is.

hi

hey good anime exists

gotta sift through a ton of trash though thats true

Like finding a needle in a haystack. Doesn't help that most of the community has dire tastes.

My sister can recommend a ton of anime (and also non-recommend quite few ehhhh ones), but since I’m more of a gamer I can recommend a solid two (three if you count my highly unpopular opinion that the Danganronpa anime is pretty good) anime that I have seen. One is Durarara (it’s a kind of slice-of-life... fantasy... gang story... thing... set in Ikebukuro) and The Devil is a Part-Timer (comedy about Satan working at McDonalds, while the hero destined to defeat him is forced to be an office worker or smthn like that). I haven’t really watched much else except Amnesia, and everyone knows my opinion on that one... (short version: the game is goddamn beautiful and amazing, the anime botched it completely minus the OVA, art style and soundtrack).

How does the order work for the Danganronpa anime? I want to watch it, and also play V3, but I'm honestly confused about what order to do them in (since it sounds like there are two anime seasons that occur simultaneously?). I've only played 1 and 2 (I don't want to play Ultra Despair Girls if I can help it, 'cause it doesn't sound too good), and I'm not sure where to go next.

And on Amnesia, it's been my experience that most VN adaptations are terrible. I guess Higurashi no Naku Koro ni was alright, but the VN doesn't give you choices and you just go straight through, which I think is the biggest issue in making them as an anime.

The two that I recommend are Revolutionary Girl Utena and Neon Genesis Evangelion. They're really interesting thematically and have pretty engaging narratives (Well Utena has weird bizarre episodes but-) they're two I actually really enjoy.

I used to be such an anime nerd but I don't remember the last time I sat down and watched anime

Yeah, if I were going to recommend an anime to some random person, I think NGE would top the list. Then probably Death Note, or maybe Code Geass. I also really like End of Evangelion. Did they ever finish making the Rebuilds?

And I'm kind of the same way. I always bring up animes or games here, but I actually go through so little of them. Apparently my time management skills are so bad that I can't even waste time properly. Although with anime, since a lot of them are ~12 or ~25 episodes, at least they don't take that long once you actually get around to them.

I dunno if I could even recommend like over a hundred anime, but I constantly go out of my way to recommend CLANNAD any chance I get 'cause I still haven't let go of that naïve belief that CLANNAD is the go-to anime to feeling like a human being with a soul. Now that I got into One Piece, however, that's probably the most "I feel like a human being with a soul" anime I've ever seen (in the most positive, energetic aspect, anyway--yeah, still gotta get to the manga). But CLANNAD's always going to be the best romance in my opinion.

I know this is wildly unpopular, but I thought the Clannad anime was garbage. I mean, to be fair, Nagisa's route in the VN was by far my least favorite, and it was the only one that the anime didn't go out of its way to butcher. So you were left with a lot of useless, undeveloped satellite characters in the anime, a directionless main character jumping around to random storylines unfeasibly, and then top it off with a wildly deus ex machina ending (which to be fair, was also in the VN; but even there, it felt very tacked-on). I thought the world of the VN (for the most part...), so maybe I just don't like the way the anime compares, but... I dunno, I think it's just bad.



As for me, my favorite anime is probably Ano Hana. I don't know if I'd necessarily recommend it, since people say it's overly melodramatic (which I can see, even if I don't exactly agree). I would recommend My Teenage Romantic Comedy SNAFU (aka As Expected, My Youth Romantic Comedy is Wrong). It's a dumb title either way, because it's not really a romcom that much, and it's more about how and why people interact with each other the way that they do. I feel like Daily Lives of High School Boys is probably the funniest anime that I've watched, and then Toradora! and Cross Game are just solid all-around.
 

bobjr

You ask too many questions
Staff member
Moderator
Nier is really good in a depressing way, but the first game and Yoko Taro it would have been surprising if things were happy.
 

Kutie Pie

"It is my destiny."
I know this is wildly unpopular, but I thought the Clannad anime was garbage. I mean, to be fair, Nagisa's route in the VN was by far my least favorite, and it was the only one that the anime didn't go out of its way to butcher. So you were left with a lot of useless, undeveloped satellite characters in the anime, a directionless main character jumping around to random storylines unfeasibly, and then top it off with a wildly deus ex machina ending (which to be fair, was also in the VN; but even there, it felt very tacked-on). I thought the world of the VN (for the most part...), so maybe I just don't like the way the anime compares, but... I dunno, I think it's just bad.

First season's weird, yeah, and that bit of awkwardness still carries over to the beginning of After Story, but I thought KyoAni didn't do too bad of a job in trying to connect all the girls/arcs together throughout the school year. It was nice that they still had them be friends after all was said and done, even if they weren't going to see each other much after that. Kotomi I think was the most needed since she was the one who described string theory (carrying on with her parents' work) and that helped explain how it all came together in the end, though I think she would've made for a fine second girl outside of Nagisa (didn't care too much for Tomoyo and Kyou, personally, though I like them as characters). Fuko is someone I'm still trying to wrap my head around even after all the things I've read up about her role, and I think she could've been implemented better.

I dunno, the anime's a bit personal for me anyway even after checking out the original VN, so I still hold it close to my heart. Will Ryan of Animerica actually did a series of reviews about After Story in explaining why he believes it to be the best anime (or at least best VN adaptation), and I thought he did a fine job with it in comparing the anime and VN (videos may-or-may-not be available due to copyright claims, last I had checked they came back on but I did change my region). He also looked into ef: Tale of Memories/Melodies for the opposite argument, in that he believes it to be the worst adaptation.

Meanwhile, I believe both series have some of the best soundtracks out there, with ef: Fairytale of the Two's soundtrack squeaking by as the better of the two.
 
As long as it's not weird just for the sake of being weird, I can get behind it. Since I finally have Steam, maybe I'll put it on my VN shortlist.

I mean, the original original version of Hatoful (an April Fool’s flash game made in half a day) was weird for the sake of being weird, but the full game isn’t whatsoever. The creator said herself that she wanted to make a game that seemed silly on the outside, but deep and thoughtful on the inside, and the flashgame she had made had the potential to be just that if she tried. So yeah.

I mean, some of them are, obviously, but it's kind of funny how the ones that are are worse for it (imo). I've only played two that had hentai in them, and wasn't able to finish either (one was an AU sequel to Clannad, Tomoyo Ever After, and the other was Devil on the G-String, which was supposed to be good (and to be clear, the title is a reference to the classical music composition Air on the G-String, not thongs)).

I think it’s the hentai games like Huniepop that give the dating sim genre a bad rep really. Not to say Huniepop is an objectively bad game for that reason (although I’m not fond of it myself at all, I’d rather be innocent thanks), but the fact that most of the Romance VNs/Dating Sims that become popular are either parodies (Dream Daddy), hentai (Huniepop) or actually psychological horror (Doki Doki Literature Club) doesn’t really help to give the rest of the genre a chance at getting exposure since the only exposure it does get tears it apart or... is hentai.

How does the order work for the Danganronpa anime? I want to watch it, and also play V3, but I'm honestly confused about what order to do them in (since it sounds like there are two anime seasons that occur simultaneously?). I've only played 1 and 2 (I don't want to play Ultra Despair Girls if I can help it, 'cause it doesn't sound too good), and I'm not sure where to go next.

Here’s the order: DR1 (anime/game) > DR2 (game only) > DR Ultra Despair (game only, I haven’t played it yet so I’m not sure if it’s a required step to play it) > DR3 Future/Despair (anime only, a weird case here - you watch each series alternately, aka you watch an episode of one, then an episode of the other, and so on)

Most people say the anime is bad, me and my sister think otherwise, except the dub might as well be an Abridged series so stick with the sub first time then watch highlights on YouTube later

And on Amnesia, it's been my experience that most VN adaptations are terrible. I guess Higurashi no Naku Koro ni was alright, but the VN doesn't give you choices and you just go straight through, which I think is the biggest issue in making them as an anime.

Apparently the same thing happened with Idea Factory’s (Amnesia’s creator) next game, Code;Realize. Shame really.
 

Peter Quill

star-lord
He also looked into ef: Tale of Memories/Melodies for the opposite argument, in that he believes it to be the worst adaptation.

I've never watched or read the VN for ef, so I can't really compare it, but for me the worst adaptation of a VN is easily the Umineko anime. The VNs are very text-heavy so a lot of the nuance and greater narrative is lost because they tried to condense it into the anime. As a result a lot is left unexplained and is just sort of puzzling when you watch it. The narrative really goes into the various motivations of the Ushiromiya family so it's just like... difficult in comparison, for a lack of a better word. The anime can only do so much but unfortunately it just fails to capture the real charm and greater points of the VN. I guess I have to give the anime a little bit of credit because most of the interesting stuff thematically happens in Chiru, which never got animated (thank god, although Erika Furudo not being animated is a tragedy).
 

The Admiral

the star of the masquerade
Elfen Lied isn't really awful if... judged according to the time it came out... not amazing or anything (unless you mark out that hard over Mortal Kombat and the like (or their mark-oriented content, anyway)), but decent. That said, I still have it on my hard drive and haven't bothered to actually watch it yet, and may not get around to it. Also I thought I'd been told Baccano! was decent? idk it might have been a good manga and a questionable anime with a content-starved fan base as happens a lot

I've never watched or read the VN for ef, so I can't really compare it, but for me the worst adaptation of a VN is easily the Umineko anime. The VNs are very text-heavy so a lot of the nuance and greater narrative is lost because they tried to condense it into the anime. As a result a lot is left unexplained and is just sort of puzzling when you watch it. The narrative really goes into the various motivations of the Ushiromiya family so it's just like... difficult in comparison, for a lack of a better word. The anime can only do so much but unfortunately it just fails to capture the real charm and greater points of the VN. I guess I have to give the anime a little bit of credit because most of the interesting stuff thematically happens in Chiru, which never got animated (thank god, although Erika Furudo not being animated is a tragedy).

Didn't the Umineko anime change a lot of other things? I seem to recall hearing that one character was heavily redesigned (and the results were quite bad).
 

Peter Quill

star-lord
Not that I can remember off the top of my head, but I watched it back when it originally aired in 2009. A lot of the interactions between characters was removed to make room for content so effectively Beatrice was butchered and made a lot more one-dimensional than she actually is.

I mean the visual novels aren't an earth-breaking masterpiece, but they're a lot of fun and at times actually quite moving.
 
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The Admiral

the star of the masquerade
Oh. I guess I'd heard something a little incorrect from someone early in its run and the rest of it was so crap that nobody went to check. Oh well. No big deal, it's such a crap adaptation that I don't think it matters.
 

keepitsimple

site of lies
So I heard a lot of people are leaving pokecommunity after learning the webmaster is a registered sex offender and he was also accused of pocketing donation money people gave to improve the site.

#PCIsOverParty (?)

I don't blame people for leaving, ew
 
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So I heard a lot of people are leaving pokecommunity after learning the webmaster is a registered sex offender and he was also accused of pocketing donation money people gave to improve the site.

#PCIsOverParty (?)

I don't blame people for leaving, ew

Sh*t... tbh I’m glad I never joined after learning that. Unless they somehow reveal that the guy is innocent then I don’t see pokecommunity staying around as a big Pokemon forum much longer. Maybe we can encourage some of the people from there to come here, so they can keep on having a forum to go on about Pokemon.
 

The Admiral

the star of the masquerade
So I heard a lot of people are leaving pokecommunity after learning the webmaster is a registered sex offender and he was also accused of pocketing donation money people gave to improve the site.

#PCIsOverParty (?)

I don't blame people for leaving, ew

...huh. Had not heard anything about that. Well, that'll set the hacking community in disarrahahahahaha I'm pretty sure Pokemon ROM hacking is dead and has been for a long time
 

Kutie Pie

"It is my destiny."
So I heard a lot of people are leaving pokecommunity after learning the webmaster is a registered sex offender and he was also accused of pocketing donation money people gave to improve the site.

#PCIsOverParty (?)

I don't blame people for leaving, ew

Holy cow. Doesn't sound as big as NeoGAF's implosion so I don't think a lot of people will talk about this, but that's crazy. How'd they find out?
 

keepitsimple

site of lies
Unless they somehow reveal that the guy is innocent then I don’t see pokecommunity staying around as a big Pokemon forum much longer.

Apparently he's convicted according to what I've heard, so that's not happening, unless you meant the part about pocketing donations which isn't proven

Holy cow. Doesn't sound as big as NeoGAF's implosion so I don't think a lot of people will talk about this, but that's crazy. How'd they find out?

Apparently they found him on some sex offender archives but there's not much information other than what they could find using google, he says it was from his early 20s and that he was in a relationship with someone who was considered a minor in California at the time. But I guess people don't trust him because everyone including the staff are leaving

There were tweets about it going around eatlier today that seem to be deleted now
 
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