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General Computer Help Discussion

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Raikou

Guest
With permission from AntiReVos/Sciz, I'm making this thread for discussion on general computer talk. Ask questions about hardware and any other queries you may have. To start it off, my mom needed a new computer. I picked the Dell Dimension 8400 for her, do you think that's a good choice? It's mainly for work. I have an 80 GB drive, 512 MB of RAM, DVD/CD burner, floppy drive, 128 MB Radeon X800, and a 5.1 sound card. Sound good?
 

Forgotten Member

Used to be Aipom
Yeesh, $1850 for a computer mostly for work? That's quite expensive o_o. Unless this "work" constitutes playing graphics-intensive games, doing lots of image rendering, or something else like that. What is it going to be used for?

My computer that I got for my personal use of internetting/programming/work/whatever cost me about $650 for all of the parts (I used an old monitor and a free operating system, but still), and it's quite good. Even if I throw in a 19" monitor and another 512mb of RAM that I want to get, along with a few other things, it will only be about $950-$1000 total o_o.
 
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DarkShiningBlaziken

Guest
:)

i think its a great choice. this is my saying:
the less sense it wood make a hundred years ago, the better :)
 
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not_awake

Guest
I'm in agreement with Aipom. That's a bit expensive for a simple workstation PC. The graphics card and audio are a bit unnecessary. Unless you intend to do some gaming you could go with a much cheaper model of graphics card and the get simple audio through the modem or motherboard. Last year I rebuilt my PC for less than $500. That included a 2.4 Ghz P4, an 80 gig harddrive, and a cheap yet spiffy case. It seems it's almost always a better idea to do it yourself; you get exactly what you need and it saves money. Heck, if you've got the cash to spare consider one of those new 64-bit AMD processors...

Also keep in mind Windows isn't your only option. I spent almost $100 on a copy of XP Home edition, which included almost nothing. No word processor, no office tools, nada. I recently scrapped together a simple workstation using an parts from an old HP and installed Mandrake Linux. For my first experience with Linux I was extremely pleased; it was chocked full of programs and tools equitable to Microsoft's software. And it only cost me $15 for the CD's. (It would've been free, but I couldn't download the iso's on a 28 kbps connection.)
 
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Serebii`s Gaze

Guest
Nowadays for most users, an 80GB hard drive is the minimum for a sufficient store of memory with space to spare - 40GB is a bit tight, and 256MB RAM is the minimum if you have windows XP, although 512 is more ideal.
 
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EBEnthusiast

Guest
Recently my motherboard got fried and I had to get a new one. The one the computer repair shop ordered was a AMD Athlon XP, and I also have a new video card, which is a S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR..are these any good?
 

Forgotten Member

Used to be Aipom
EBEnthusiast said:
Recently my motherboard got fried and I had to get a new one. The one the computer repair shop ordered was a AMD Athlon XP, and I also have a new video card, which is a S3 Graphics ProSavageDDR..are these any good?

An Athlon XP is fine, but the graphics card could be better... In general, it's better to stick to ATI or NVidia graphics cards :/.
 
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godude94

Guest
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys have really nice PCs!! mine has about 1 GB(s). It has so many upgrades that it has errors each time you start a program,(the updates were like from this old office program made in like 1995), and it is now so messed up WINDOWS XP has errors so it has to shut down... and it can't even proccess a a game for WINDOWS 3.1 so... now I have a computer for... hmmm... OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!! INTERNET
 

Forgotten Member

Used to be Aipom
godude94 said:
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys have really nice PCs!! mine has about 1 GB(s). It has so many upgrades that it has errors each time you start a program,(the updates were like from this old office program made in like 1995), and it is now so messed up WINDOWS XP has errors so it has to shut down... and it can't even proccess a a game for WINDOWS 3.1 so... now I have a computer for... hmmm... OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH!! INTERNET

1 GB hard drive space? And you tried to put windows XP on it? o_O. What are the other specs for the computer (RAM, processor)?
 
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psisam

Guest
hey do you guys know a fast way to delete files because those files are slowing down my computer. thanks :D
 

Forgotten Member

Used to be Aipom
psisam said:
hey do you guys know a fast way to delete files because those files are slowing down my computer. thanks :D

Which files do you want to delete? And files wouldn't slow down your computer unless you're actively processing them o_O.
 
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~Forlorn~

Guest
Okay, I've been shopping around for desktops lately and I have utterly decided on buying a Dell Dimension 3000-Celeron. I'd like to see if you guys could give any suggestions on what to adjust (note that I'm only using this for City of Heroes, Rome: Total War, and Final Fantasy XI Online) for my computer.

Processor: Intel Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66 GHz, 533 FSB)
OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Memory: 512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400 MHz
Video Card: Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2
Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200 RPM
No Floppy Drive
Sound Card: Integrated Audio
Security: McAfee Security Center with VirusScan, Firewall, & Spyware Remover

Any suggestions? (Please note that, with tax, shipping, & handling, it comes to $727.15
 

ricocheting

Noob Trainer
Admin
>>Processor: Intel Celeron D Processor 330 (2.66 GHz, 533 FSB)

celerons are the "lower end" processor, but for what you listed you're using it for, shouldn't have any problems.

>>OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional

XP Pro is a total waste of money (even for most businesses). put XP Home on it and you'll save yourself a couple more bucks and you won't notice any difference.

>>Memory: 512MB Dual Channel DDR SDRAM at 400 MHz

thats good

>>Video Card: Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2

acceptable, this is the only thing you might not be happy with. one thing I'd double check is if the Dimension 3000 has an AGP slot (some of the lower-end dell models don't. think only the 4500+ lines did/do) so you can stick a better graphics card in later if you aren't happy.

>>Hard Drive: 80GB Ultra ATA/100 7200 RPM
>>No Floppy Drive

should be fine and drives are simple to add another later

>>Sound Card: Integrated Audio

fine unless you'll be hooking it into your 5-in-one surround sound speakers or something
 
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~Forlorn~

Guest
Thanks for the suggesstions, but it won't let me change my video card... Oh well! Anyways, I've updated my cart and now have a total of $695.35(Now I'm saving 30$, plus I've upgraded my sound card! :D).
 

Eileen

Queen of Orudoran
Never get a celeron, they are sooooo slow and mean.... I have one and it's runs like a slowpoke(Slowpoke are cute but...). I do alot of webmaster and computer art which requires alot of memory. ~_~

and it's slow... and bad for playing games. So, I replaced it with this. ^_^

Dell Dimension 8400
Pentium 4 3.2 GHz with HT (1 MB Cache)
1 GB DDR2 RAM (400 MHz)
128 PCI-X aTi Radeon X300 SE
160 GB Harddrive
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center 2005
DVD and DVD+-RW Drive
3.5 in Floppy Drive

and it costed $1300 USD. *sighs* but it's better than my meanie old computer. =/
 

ricocheting

Noob Trainer
Admin
gonna say at the beginning, this is a post disagreeing with Latios. it's nothing personal, just my opinion differs. also, this is kinda branching off topic from the uses Emperor Zap listed as needing the new computer for.

Latios said:
A workstation is a general purpose computer.

The minimum price for the complete set (Tower and Monitor) should be around $1250 unless there's a sale. But always have $1500 if you're going for this type.

I'm going to have to disagree. if you pay more than $600 (including the 15" LCD) for a workstation, you're either getting ripped off or are the victim of marketing. the majority of the general public will be perfectly happy and should get good multiple years use out of a $600 workstation.

I won't touch media center boxes, but i'm going to break your "gaming machines" into 2 different types. into your top-of-the-line (probably a little above what you listed) and your lower solid-gaming-machine. you're custom, top-of-the-line are generally bought by people who want the best of everything currently available in their machine. generally, they're people with more money than sense. this type of people pay two or three times as much to get that extra 10-20% performance boost the "very newest" gives.


PCI Express:
PCIe is the future, but as of right now, there is almost nothing that can take advantage of it. I would guess i'll be another year or two even before the stuff that can take advantage of it is reasonably priced too. I wouldn't worry about getting a board with PCIe unless you could get a one by only paying a little above what the non-PCIe board would cost.


AGP/Video card:
Personally I would not consider a board without a AGP slot. onboard video is fine for an amazing amount of the games currently out, but get a mother-board with AGP so later on if you find yourself wanting better looking graphics, or your game requires higher end, you can just buy yourself a nice AGP graphics card and stick in.

like Latios said, GeForce .vs. Radeon is personal opinion. different games cater to different cards (depending on who was willing to sponsor the game makers). generally you'll get the best performance .vs. price from about a $150-$200 card, although I have a very low end GeForce FX 5200 (seen them for as low as $35 after rebates), and I can play the new counter-strike:source (been out about a month) very well with all my graphics settings on highest and my anti-aliasing on 2x.


CPU:
for gaming, yes, celeron isn't the best. however, it is generally about half the price (or less) than a P4 would cost. also, 64bit is cool, and very likely the future, but again there is almost nothing on windows software-wise that can take advantage of true 64 bit and it will be a while before that changes. and in the mean time, 32bit hardware will be supported for MANY years to come.

with a Pentium 4, 3.4ghz would be the absolute highest I would go. your boxed 3.0ghz and 3.2ghz can be had for almost half 3.6ghz price and generally offer the most bang for the buck. the Pentium Extreme chips are a total joke and I would absolutely stay away unless you're so deep into the "more money then sense" you can't see out anymore.


RAM:
I too have to be careful here, but 512 is usually enough RAM for even most gamers, and over 1gb is a waste unless you're editing obscenely large files or running something like a server with hundreds of threads running simultaneously. and I would currently avoid DDR2 memory if you can because it's currently a lot more $$ for minimum amount of performance gain.


Harddrive:
if all you're doing is running programs from it, you'll probably never fill a 40gb. and when you want to start storing music, movies, tv episodes, whatever, a second drive is insanely cheap if you watch rebates (friday after thanksgiving, several places had 200gb drives for < $50 after rebates. where-as if you buy them with a computer, you'll pay many many times more)


floppies, CD/DVDs etc:
floppy drives are useless. spend the extra $15-$20 they'll charge you for one and buy yourself a USB flash-drive (aka keychain drive, aka pendrive, aka jumpdrive, aka hundred other names). the 128mb and even 256mb are dirt cheap and even the larger (512, 1gb) ones are fast becoming reasonably priced. flash drives easily hold 100x or more info than a floppy, and it won't get corrupt if you breath on it wrong. only get a floppy if you have a ton of old floppy disks you still need data off of for some reason.

what CD-rw/dvd player, dvd burner, is a completely personal choice. will say from experience, amazing amount of people get a dvd burner (or player) then never use it. but they're also a very easy add-on you can get later and stick in.


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anyway, all that said, i've fallen into the "more money than sense" before and bought myself a $3600 computer about 5 years ago. probably the worst mistake i ever made. now i have a nice heavy $3.6k paperweight... where-as if I'd have bought myself a good solid $1k desktop, and could have replaced it three times by now and made various upgrade and still spend the same amount of money. Each time I would have been able to play all the latest games with each machine (and been able to play newest games for a year or two into the future), then when it gets to slow, resold it for a couple hundred and bought a new one.

I'd much rather spend $1k and get a solid machine good for 2 years (then replace) then spend $3.6k and get a top-of-the-line machine good for 3 years. you can resell the old machine, pass it on to siblings, turn it into a server, donate it for tax credit, scrap it for parts, whatever.... and you'll still come out ahead in the long run and have the bonus of not being screwed when you buy something like RAMBUS memory, or super-disks, or 100 other things because it was going to be "the next best thing" when you bought your machine.
 

ricocheting

Noob Trainer
Admin
1. 128mb
2. nah
3. no. shockingly the card doesn't even have a fan, just a card-length sync
4.
model detail: high
texture detail: high
water detail: reflect all
shadow detail: high
antialiasing: 2x
filtering mode: trilinear (maybe this is what you're looking for)
shader detail: high
5. stress test gives me around 29fps averages. in-game for what maps i play, i can play a full server with a very playable 35-40fps. not even close to top-of-the line fps, but for me it's getting up there into the "doesn't matter" range.

i'll side note that it's a "made by" rather than a "powered by" geforce card but never looked for preformance difference info
 
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