General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[ReneEnjolras]

My thoughts at the moment: To repeat what some others have said... If theses games are going to be an alternate universe/storyline thing, please no alternate personalities for the characters. or gender bending. I hate that SO much. That would make the game like an AU fanfic. If I want AU's like that, I read fanfics. Not play video games that I spent a decent deal of cash on.

I hope Gyms make a return, too. Some expanding on things would be great. I'd like some new Alola forms. Johto, Hoenn and Sinnoh Pokémon, preferably. No more Kanto, please.

 

[Leosnake]

Never say never, I guess, but with Ride Pokemon being a thing I can't exactly see what the point of it would be (Surfing Pikachu again, because why not I guess?). A minigame involving it, maybe, but that's a pretty big maybe.

That would be good especially if they are getting rid of trials which I hope they don't. I like the idea of having to do a trial before being allowed to challenge a gym. And then doing the Kahuna for that island. After the gyms on it have been done. Or a certain number of gyms have been done depending how they are distributed among the islands.

Also considering the exact Pokemon direct quote I found an posted earlier.

OK so part the actual translation given via captions on the official video (as in not YouTube ones but on the actual video) is this.

"These titles offer an alternative story taking place in the same world as Sun and Moon".

So personally I don't think this is an AU or else it wouldn't be in the same world. Unless this was poor wording choice but I think this will indeed be a sequel like what happened with Black and White 2. Or at least different enough that it will be the Crystal equivalent though I doubt this because there are again two versions.

Can someone please explain to me were the idea of an AU instead of a sequel is coming from? Alternative is just another word for different isn't it? And surely the fact we had those random plots of land scattered about in the original Sun and Moon as well as the way these two new games seem to be doing a similar thing as Black and White and B2/W2. That being the two versions, Corless being there, the what we can assume will be the cover art legendaries being fused with a third Pokemon etc.

I have seen some people, mostly on YouTube but maybe a few on here outright dismiss the idea of a future sequel saying it must be an AU. So have I missed or misunderstood something here like an Easter egg in game or something?

 

[Kalosian]

That's a great list! I think so more things we can expect though is following Pokémon (sorry I k kw you don't like it) mostly because we know they have all the models already. I think we're going to get a fossil park thats like a safari zone where we can catch fossil Pokémon in the wild (the fossil guy DOES say in SuMo that's what he wants to build. Could be like a Jurassic Park reference though.) I think they'll also release the Hidden Abilities of the starter Pokémon in some way. For some reason, I also think we're likely to get another random mini island for Pelego just cause, and maybe another ride Pokémon.

I too hope or the national Dex to return, as well as some better training options (or at least make Pelego's level up feature much better). I'd really love to see a battle frontier, that would add SO much to the past game. Literally give hours of additional play, and it's optional for those who don't like it! I also would love contests to come back (don't see that happening at all) and some kind of room decorating feature to return (also don't see that happening). I just get kinda tired of wandering Pokémon regions all homeless. (I mean, we technically still have a house with our mom, but like, I saved the world and beat the champion. I don't wanna move back in with Mom XD).

As said, I'm okay with the following Pokemon if it is optional. If it isn't... I'm not sure how I'll do. I really don't want to skip those games but I don't want to play them and be annoyed all the time either.

I agree about the Fossil Dream Park. That was one idea I had for a S/M followup as well, but I forgot about it in my list yesterday. It would be really cool if we could catch all Fossil Pokemon in the wild, maybe with their HAs as well? I also want to see some currently unreleased Hidden Abilities and maybe some way to make it easier to get some that are currently hard to get. Releasing the Hoenn, Sinnoh and Alola starters with their HAs would be very welcome. The same goes for making it easier to get the Johto and Unova starters with their HAs.

I'm not sure if we'll see a Battle Frontier, (I don't think so after what they said about it being absent from OR/AS), but some other Facilities to go along with the Tree, like how B2/W2 had the PWT and Black Tower/White Treehollow, is something I hope for. I don't think contests will return, but some kind of other minigame would be great to have. A place to decorate would be cool too, maybe like the villa in Platinum, or Secret Bases? I'm all for it.

Do you all actually enjoy the tedious process of filling up a National Dex repeatedly? (Not to say that this opinion is wrong by any means, but I personally don't understand it.) I for one was very tired of proving that I could collect every Pokemon over and over again just so I can start shiny hunting. I think that GF addressed this issue in S/M by moving the National Dex to Bank. It's one of my favorite changes that gen 7 brought to the table.

I do. I have generally always liked completing the National Pokedex, the sole exception would be HG/SS because of their awful training spots. Completing the National Dex in them was the least fun I have ever had completing a Pokedex, it took me five years from when I got the games to when I finally got around to doing it. In comparison, I have completed the National Dex within a year from when I got the game for all other games. In general, I have found it more enjoyable to complete the Dex if the games have good training spots and good Pokemon availability. Gen 5 and 6 were the best regarding this for me, completing the Pokedex in them was so much fun! They are also my two favorite generations overall. I have almost never gotten tired of it (again, HG/SS as said above are the one exception). So in a way, S/M having both the National Dex and a lack of training spots would be a bad combination, I hope US/UM can adress both of these problems.

Another user mentioned one more thing I like about having the National Dex in the actual games as opposed to Bank, and that is the fact that you can then view the model of every Pokemon within the game itself instead of just on Bank (which doesn't even have the models, just images). Currently, if I want to look up any Pokemon that's not in the Alola Dex and that I don't have on my games, I have to either connect to Bank or go back to Gen 6, which is a bit annoying. As for the awards for completing the Dex, I don't care much, just working on the Dex is more fun. Though, the diplomas can be fun to look at, and they feel like a great proof of your accomplishment.

That's just how I feel though. If you disagree, then that's completely okay with me.

 

[Grey Wind]

Can someone please explain to me were the idea of an AU instead of a sequel is coming from? Alternative is just another word for different isn't it? And surely the fact we had those random plots of land scattered about in the original Sun and Moon as well as the way these two new games seem to be doing a similar thing as Black and White and B2/W2. That being the two versions, Corless being there, the what we can assume will be the cover art legendaries being fused with a third Pokemon etc.

I have seen some people, mostly on YouTube but maybe a few on here outright dismiss the idea of a future sequel saying it must be an AU. So have I missed or misunderstood something here like an Easter egg in game or something?

Alternative means different in the sense that it's another possibility. As in, SM's story takes place OR USUM's story does, the same way Emerald and Platinum were alternative retellings of the original paired versions. That quote definitely implies a third version type deal more than it does a sequel, to me.

Also it looks like the player character is the same person anyway, which they wouldn't be if it were a sequel.

 

[lemoncatpower]

That would be good especially if they are getting rid of trials which I hope they don't. I like the idea of having to do a trial before being allowed to challenge a gym. And then doing the Kahuna for that island. After the gyms on it have been done. Or a certain number of gyms have been done depending how they are distributed among the islands.

Also considering the exact Pokemon direct quote I found an posted earlier.



Can someone please explain to me were the idea of an AU instead of a sequel is coming from? Alternative is just another word for different isn't it? And surely the fact we had those random plots of land scattered about in the original Sun and Moon as well as the way these two new games seem to be doing a similar thing as Black and White and B2/W2. That being the two versions, Corless being there, the what we can assume will be the cover art legendaries being fused with a third Pokemon etc.

I have seen some people, mostly on YouTube but maybe a few on here outright dismiss the idea of a future sequel saying it must be an AU. So have I missed or misunderstood something here like an Easter egg in game or something?

it was stated in the pokemon direct, and its on the pokemon website

 

[ZeroFire]

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

 

[Captain Jigglypuff]

I have ideas for new Alolan forms for Pokémon from ALL regions.

Here they are:

Chatot (Flying/Fairy)- Alolan Chatot is slightly bigger, has a larger beak, and resembles a macaw but still has the music note shaped head feathers. Its long tail resembles sheet music sort of like Meloetta's hair. It can also learn Disarming Voice, Perish Song, and Heal Bell as well as Metronome and Smart Strike.

Lilligant (Grass/Fairy)- Lilligant's flower is much bigger and resembles a hibiscus. It can learn Play Rough which is a pre evo move and Dazzling Gleam. It also has Flower Veil as its Primary Ability.

Octillery (Water/Poison)- Octillery's body turns into a light peach color and it has glowing blue rings similar to a blue ringed octopus. The yellow bumps on its head are now glowing blue spikes. Octillery has two new signature moves it can learn through level up. The first is called Ink Blast which is a Poison type attack that can cause damage and Poisoning and also lower accuracy by one stage 20% of the time. This move can be bred onto Horsea and Inkay. The second move is called Toxic Grip which is also a Poison type attack and it works similarly to Wrap and other Binding moves except it also inflicts the Toxic status upon the first turn.

 

[ReneEnjolras]

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

Sounds like a fair idea to me. I wouldn't have issues with it.

 

[lemoncatpower]

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

I don't see the cover legendaries being available, but possibly the others. Especially if they turn the UB storyline bigger and say more legendaries come to help with the battle (wishful thinking), but it'd be cool.

 

[ReneEnjolras]

Hoping that Nanu becomes a Gym Leader. Come on, give us a Dark type Gym!

 

[Leosnake]

Alternative means different in the sense that it's another possibility. As in, SM's story takes place OR USUM's story does, the same way Emerald and Platinum were alternative retellings of the original paired versions. That quote definitely implies a third version type deal more than it does a sequel, to me.

Also it looks like the player character is the same person anyway, which they wouldn't be if it were a sequel.

Oh OK. Honestly I didn't notice they were the exact same. I thought they looked close to the original but I will have to take a closer look.

it was stated in the pokemon direct, and its on the pokemon website

Um the only thing it says on the official site is "a new light shines on Alola" along with the release date. And it said on the direct Alternative story which could mean either thing.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/ unless this is not what you mean by the main site?

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

I like the idea of most of these but maybe not Mewtwo. I have had enough Kanto related things for a while and I don't know why but I like the idea of an extra legendaries being in still fully wild areas rather than the Battle tree.

 

[ReneEnjolras]

Oh OK. Honestly I didn't notice they were the exact same. I thought they looked close to the original but I will have to take a closer look.



Um the only thing it says on the official site is "a new light shines on Alola" along with the release date. And it said on the direct Alternative story which could mean either thing.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/ unless this is not what you mean by the main site?



I like the idea of most of these but maybe not Mewtwo. I have had enough Kanto related things for a while and I don't know why but I like the idea of an extra legendaries being in still fully wild areas rather than the Battle tree.

Yeah, enough Kanto. Other legendaries would be fine, but very few things from Kanto (or none!)

 

[Wadeledge]

All the semantics about what they mean by "alternative" being discussed I'll point this out:

We literally don't know what they meant by it yet, it could be a number of things, nobody is right or wrong yet.

 

[ReneEnjolras]

This is why I love it when they announce new main series Pokémon games: the speculation and discussions. It's fun to see what theories others have.

 

[lemoncatpower]

Oh OK. Honestly I didn't notice they were the exact same. I thought they looked close to the original but I will have to take a closer look.



Um the only thing it says on the official site is "a new light shines on Alola" along with the release date. And it said on the direct Alternative story which could mean either thing.

http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/ultra/en-us/ unless this is not what you mean by the main site?



I like the idea of most of these but maybe not Mewtwo. I have had enough Kanto related things for a while and I don't know why but I like the idea of an extra legendaries being in still fully wild areas rather than the Battle tree.

nvm I assumed they had all the info on there but yeah in the direct they say "alternate story" so people assume it'll just be an alternate version and that they didn't secretly mean it's a sequel. I'm not saying it's either, I'm just saying they literally called it an alternate story.

 

[Endless]

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

I would expect so. More pokémon being accessible deeper into generations has usually been used as a selling point., this including legendaries.
I hope that if we do get any old legendaries that they get proper areas this time, and not just portals stuck around on generic islands like in ORAS.

The complete lack of a National Dex in SM makes me curious how they will handle it though.

 

[Grey Wind]

So would Past Gen Legendary Pokémon popping up Post Game be good?

Examples:
Groudon - Volcano
Lugia - Basement in a Sea Cave
Regice - A Ice Cave by Pokémon League
Mewtwo - Near Battle Tree

Yeah, past gen legendaries always made the post game more fun so I hope they add some (although since they don't seem to care about letting us complete the national dex any more I dunno if they will). I could see Heatran in the volcano, the Regis scattered around somewhere, and any of the other trios roaming.

I would expect so. More pokémon being accessible deeper into generations has usually been used as a selling point., this including legendaries.
I hope that if we do get any old legendaries that they get proper areas this time, and not just portals stuck around on generic islands like in ORAS.

Agreed, I always thought the way they treated them in ORAS was a little boring.

 

[ZeroFire]

I don't see the cover legendaries being available, but possibly the others. Especially if they turn the UB storyline bigger and say more legendaries come to help with the battle (wishful thinking), but it'd be cool.

So which legendary & Mythical Pokémon would you think appear?

 

[lemoncatpower]

So which legendary & Mythical Pokémon would you think appear?

I could see the birds and the beasts appear post game like in Oras only to help with the islands against the UB's. But at the same time, with the releases of RBY and now Gold and Silver, there's not really a point. So now I'm thinking the only ones needed would be fourth gen legendaries.

Sorry Just talked myself out of the birds and beats.

But I could see the likes of: crescellia and heatran, and maybe the forces of nature. That'd be pretty cool.

 

[Satoshi & Touko]

I'm honestly kind of disappointed by the amount of people that want gyms back. I'm personally going to be a bit disappointed if they do for the sole fact that I don't want to see old traditions resurfacing.