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General Discussion & Speculation Thread

Aetius

Well-Known Member
Are you referring to his amnesia in Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire? That's more of a theory at this point than confirmation. Nothing further was stated in Sun and Moon, at least that I noticed, that would support the theory. He could still have gotten his amnesia from something else.

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea of Game Freak playing the long game and telling a cross-generational story, but there's really no certainty yet that that's what's happening.

Wait, while its has not been confirmed in any way by GF, I thought that the Looker in OR & AS and the one from Sun & Moon were two "different" people all together...
Basically the one who came form the universe in which the Emerald version is set and the Sun & Moon universe...
 
I just thought of something.

In SM, the only type without a key trainer was Ice. In the anime, Lillie has Alola Vulpix. UsUm is an alternate universe (or at least in my POV). Maybe in this universe Lillie actually specialises in Ice as her signature type?

I'd also like to know how she dresses in this version. Since it's possible that Lusamine was never poisoned by Nihilego, there is a chance of Lillie having new clothing.
 

Captain Jigglypuff

Leader of Jigglypuff Army
I just thought of something.

In SM, the only type without a key trainer was Ice. In the anime, Lillie has Alola Vulpix. UsUm is an alternate universe (or at least in my POV). Maybe in this universe Lillie actually specialises in Ice as her signature type?

I'd also like to know how she dresses in this version. Since it's possible that Lusamine was never poisoned by Nihilego, there is a chance of Lillie having new clothing.

Lillie could start off wearing her second outfit which I think looks better.
 

Bramblefire

Aura Guardian
Looker being a Faller would be tricky, because there's no way nobody would be aware of that fact. So unless it's being kept from him the same way Anabel's status as a Faller is being kept from her and there's just nobody to inform us that Looker is one as well, you'd think we would have been told.

In a way we have. Remember how Looker misled Anabel in the last UB mission so that she'd be safe? He kept her away because she's a Faller.

Now think to how Anabel benched Looker throughout the UB quests. Very similar. It's likely that she knows he's a Faller and was trying to keep him safe since he lost his Pokemon.
 

Akkipeddi

All set to be a nice guy
I just thought of something.

In SM, the only type without a key trainer was Ice. In the anime, Lillie has Alola Vulpix. UsUm is an alternate universe (or at least in my POV). Maybe in this universe Lillie actually specialises in Ice as her signature type?

I'd also like to know how she dresses in this version. Since it's possible that Lusamine was never poisoned by Nihilego, there is a chance of Lillie having new clothing.

Even Psychic and Flying type Z crystals did not have a Key Trainer. Anyway, I highly doubt they will implement the anime story line in the games, and furthermore, making Lillie a trainer who specializes in Ice Types is quite a small role for her. I'd expect something far bigger for Lillie than simply being a type specialist.
 
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Akashin

Well-Known Member
In a way we have. Remember how Looker misled Anabel in the last UB mission so that she'd be safe? He kept her away because she's a Faller.

Now think to how Anabel benched Looker throughout the UB quests. Very similar. It's likely that she knows he's a Faller and was trying to keep him safe since he lost his Pokemon.

That's a good point. It would be kind of funny if it turns out that they each knew about the other being a Faller while being oblivious to their own status as one.

Even Psychic and Flying type Z crystals did not have a Key Trainer. Anyway, I highly doubt they will implement the anime story line in the games, and furthermore, making Lillie a trainer who specializes in Ice Types is quite a small role for her. I'd expect something far bigger for Lillie than simply being a type specialist.

Besides Kahili, I assume you mean.

And Psychic and Ice have Dexio and Sina respectively, and also Faba for the former, as far as type specialists go.
 
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Akkipeddi

All set to be a nice guy
Besides Kahili, I assume you mean.

And Psychic and Ice have Dexio and Sina respectively, and also Faba for the former, as far as type specialists go.

I don't mean characters that use them, but rather that there's no trial or character giving out the Psycnium Z, Flynium Z and Icium Z. They are just randomly located and you can just pick them up.

Anyways, my comment was for Nerdy McNerdface and I might have misunderstood what they were trying to say.
 
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I don't mean characters that use them, but rather that there's no trial or character giving out the Psycnium Z, Flynium Z and Icium Z. They are just randomly located and you can just pick them up.

Anyways, my comment was for Nerdy McNerdface and I might have misunderstood what they were trying to say.

I was indeed trying to mention type specialists rather than trial captains/Kahunas. I've never really counted Dexio or Sina since they're from Kalos and just visiting, so Ice is the only type without an Alolan specialist.
 

Leosnake

Well-Known Member
I am far from the only person thinking this, so it's not presenting an opinion as fact. I'm personally not worried about money, but there's a lot of people that will be. My concern is what this means for the quality of USUM, and this announcement implies a lack of faith in USUM, so it's starting to look like it's not going to be a worthwhile experience.

Personally I feel sorry for Tsunekazu Ishihara (the one who gave the news) and the rest of GameFreak. As I don't think it is so much lack of faith in the game issue. As just being nice enough to let us know so we can pre pair to move to a new console now rather than later. That and they must be feeling a little down from all the backlash that happened after the Pokemon direct. Though despite what some commentators on YouTube believe I highly doubt they just started making the game because of them.

Also since they have been hiring more staff to work on a Switch project, a rumour I think we can assume is true to an extent now. They are probably going to do the finishing touches to US and UM before fully moving back the the Switch project.

I just thought of something.

In SM, the only type without a key trainer was Ice. In the anime, Lillie has Alola Vulpix. UsUm is an alternate universe (or at least in my POV). Maybe in this universe Lillie actually specialises in Ice as her signature type?

I'd also like to know how she dresses in this version. Since it's possible that Lusamine was never poisoned by Nihilego, there is a chance of Lillie having new clothing.

I like this idea. I would also love it if both in game and in the Animé. If she ended up evolving the Alolan Vulpix into Alolan Ninetales at some point. I'm not too sure what else she would have Pokemon wise though in game.
 

Sceptile Leaf Blade

Nighttime Guardian
I wouldn't consider Sina a pure Ice type specialist, she also uses other pokémon. She has Drampa, Oranguru, and Mandibuzz for instance.
 

Bguy7

The Dragon Lord
Wait, while its has not been confirmed in any way by GF, I thought that the Looker in OR & AS and the one from Sun & Moon were two "different" people all together...
Basically the one who came form the universe in which the Emerald version is set and the Sun & Moon universe...

What? What is there to make you think that?
 
What? What is there to make you think that?

I saw a theory on it once. Apparently the Looker in ORAS is quite visibly a Faller by his lack of memory for who he is and the time stamp when he enters the battle resort being similar to when Anabel landed in Alola. However, the Looker we see in SM has a key thing about him that is inconsistent, and that's the fact that he is not covered in Ultra Wormhole Energy, proven by how he isn't used as bait for the UBs. The theory states that the only way this could possibly work is if two Lookers were in the same universe together at the same time.
 

Aleh

«Last Hope»
I saw a theory on it once. Apparently the Looker in ORAS is quite visibly a Faller by his lack of memory for who he is and the time stamp when he enters the battle resort being similar to when Anabel landed in Alola. However, the Looker we see in SM has a key thing about him that is inconsistent, and that's the fact that he is not covered in Ultra Wormhole Energy, proven by how he isn't used as bait for the UBs. The theory states that the only way this could possibly work is if two Lookers were in the same universe together at the same time.

We know that Ultra Wormholes can make you travel through dimensions and space, but what if they can also make you travel through time? That could mean the Looker we meet in ORAS is the same Looker we meet in SM and he went back in time to ORAS some time after the events of SM. He did have a Croagunk in Platinum, and that technically takes place after the gen 3 games.
 

Excitable Boy

is a metaphor
Personally I feel sorry for Tsunekazu Ishihara (the one who gave the news) and the rest of GameFreak. As I don't think it is so much lack of faith in the game issue. As just being nice enough to let us know so we can pre pair to move to a new console now rather than later. That and they must be feeling a little down from all the backlash that happened after the Pokemon direct.

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Akashin

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't consider Sina a pure Ice type specialist, she also uses other pokémon. She has Drampa, Oranguru, and Mandibuzz for instance.

You mean in the Battle Tree, where Grimsley is just about the only specialist who does stick completely to their type of choice?

I'm not sure that's particularly important.
 

sheld999

Well-Known Member
i think the islands will changed from an event.( similar to black and white 2 )
 

knightwolf09

Well-Known Member
Anyone heard this theory? Necrozma becoming armor for the legendaries could be the sign of a new power that the ultra beasts can do. And that's combine and enhance other life forms, not exactly fuse mind you but can attach to lifeforms and make the stronger. At first I though it was a stretch but then I remembered Nihilego kind of did that with Lusamine. Guzma and other people got attached by that thing, and nothing points out that ended up looking like Lusamine did. So something was weird there. Perhaps if compatible Ultra Beasts can combine with people or even pokemonto become stronger. Maybe that's what the new crystal is for.
 

Akwakwak

I'm hungry
Anyone heard this theory? Necrozma becoming armor for the legendaries could be the sign of a new power that the ultra beasts can do. And that's combine and enhance other life forms, not exactly fuse mind you but can attach to lifeforms and make the stronger. At first I though it was a stretch but then I remembered Nihilego kind of did that with Lusamine. Guzma and other people got attached by that thing, and nothing points out that ended up looking like Lusamine did. So something was weird there. Perhaps if compatible Ultra Beasts can combine with people or even pokemonto become stronger. Maybe that's what the new crystal is for.

A while back I went on a tangent about rainbows and stuff, Necrozma is a prism and Rainbows and Moonbows are a thing etc..Hawaii is a place where Moonbows can be seen and then there's the whole Niji thing, might be nothing, might be I might actually get some things right, idk.

I mean who knows they could potentially fuse with the other UB's.
 
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