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Going For Choke! (451)
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Knight_Ram
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By a total fluke! It was such a stupid match really...
And those stupid random explosion are just so lame! And stupid! lol! How can a water move and a will-o-wisp make an explosion?! Stupid as!
CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
Or you're pretty foolish for not realizing that ghost Pokemon have been hit by normal attacks plenty of times in the past.
Geodude said it all, really.
Yamato-san
I own the 5th gen
people, people, if you wanna rag on Zenigame for winning ANOTHER battle, an act which I fully support, I think something like the Bubble deflecting Thunder like it was nothing is a better example of what to bring up.
Horn Drill
ヘタリア!
Actually, I can't really remember the last time a blatantly physical Normal type attack hit a Ghost Pokemon. You're probably right about it happening before, but I really can't think of an example right now.
A solid Ghost? It's okay to admit that the anime has flawed logic every once and a while. You don't have to defend it to the death.
I actually think this was one of Squirtle's better battles. It deserved this win more than a lot of other ones IMO, even if it survived waaaaaay too many attacks.
Sure, some ghosts can turn solid, as evidenced by ghost pokemon being hit by special attacks of a physical nature. However, by the law of the Pokemon world, pokemon classified as ghost type cannot be hit by normal attacks. There's no defending this. I don't recall it ever happening during a battle, and I don't see why it's excusable even if it did happen in the past.
Geodude
Well-Known Member
We've seen a Misdreavus take a Headbutt before and get caught in a net that it should have been able to phase through if it could. And we've seen Pikachu's Quick Attack bounce off of Dusclops, as the gang claimed that that didn't hurt it. So if Banette wasn't hurt by being hit physically with a Normal attack, surely the ensuing fall would've hurt it.
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Well, some special attacks are of a physical nature, so I'm going to assume that they can only phase through normal and fighting pokemon "attacks", leaving real world objects out of the picture. I don't recall Misdreavus taking a headbutt, nor Dusclops being hit by a normal attack, but like I said - I would consider those errors as well, since I don't see how that justifies certain Ghost types as being vulnerable to normal and fighting type attacks. A Ghost type is a Ghost type, and they have certain attributes, and one major one is that they cannot be hit my Fighting or Normal attacks. I don't think it's possible in the game to hit a Ghost type with those attacks, and yes, you can claim that the anime has taken many unorthodox liberties with a lot of the rules, such as Starmie being able to use Thunderbolt, but I'm pretty sure you can teach it in the game as well.
Korobooshi Kojiro
Funnnngaaaaa
Ghost Pokemon in the Anime seem to have to "activate" their intangibility.
I don't see what the big deal is anyway. Banette is a stuffed doll thing, so of course a physical contact move is going to hit it. So what, was Squirtle supposed to just bounce off the creature in comical fashion or something? It's like saying Shadow Ball shouldn't be able to do anything to a normal type, despite the fact it's a honking great ball of energy.
If people in this show are able to touch these pokémon without slipping through them, I don't see why a barge or a punch should be any different.
If people in this show are able to touch these pokémon without slipping through them, I don't see why a barge or a punch should be any different.
Nathan Madien
Me on a Good Day
I thought this was a great episode to end May's ribbon collecting on. It was great to see PUSA get Drew's character right, and the battle with Jessie was genuinely on-the-edge-of-your-seat exciting. I did think that it was odd for Squirtle to beat up Banette, but long ago I had accepted the fact that Pokemon does not use the same logic we in the real world use. That is why things we consider to be odd (like May not being able to see through Jessie's disguise or people just standing around in pitch black caves) take place almost unquestioned.
Pokemon Fan
Knuckle Trainer
Indeed, and it seems to be something some of them don't know how to do (in addition to being trapped in a net we've seen a Misdreavus trapped under a tree).
Even that Dusclops owned by Brandon was effected by the Seismic Toss right up until the last second when it decided to make use of its Ghost type.
Really, throughout the series only the Gengar family has been consistently shown to phase through things like we imagine all the Ghost types can do. And even they have the ability to turn it on and off (i.e. whenever they make physical contact with someone on the show and effect them).
The trouble comes in that the anime only ever explains it in the simple game terms of "normal attacks don't work on Ghost types."
I fully believe that some of these events are simple mistakes on the part of the writers, but to those that balk at solid ghosts, Ghost type pokemon are NOT literal dead spirits, but simply a type of pokemon that can shift their bodies' dimensional planes, enabling their phasing, communication with the dead etc.
Indeed, though to be fair the anime has never said Ghost type moves don't effect Normal types (and I hope it never does as it is one of the type things that makes the least sense to me).Gravy said:
That being said, it wasn't that great of a battle as far as entertainment goes, but then again Jessie was doing the commanding and a poor job of it so what could we expect? At least the stuff occuring outside of the battle was well done enough.
As a last thing, did they really have to choose to have that attack be Thunder? It just looked so incredibly weak compared to any other Thunder in the series that I recall. Even if we assumed the anime decided to incorporate STAB the move still looked way too weak. It might have been acceptable as a Thunderbolt (which as I recall Banette can learn) but not as a Thunder, unless it could be said to have been using some kind of "partial Thunder."
CyberCubed
Yeah, ok!
LMAO @ Meowth's, "Don't let anyone see you walking like that!" to Harley.
My god, do the Contest eps have the best dialouge in the show or what?
My god, do the Contest eps have the best dialouge in the show or what?
This episode didn't help me like Harley any better, especially the way he blames Team Rocket for everything at the end. Jessie's battle against May was pretty good, though. I really think that that frustration attack on Squirtle should have done a whole lot more damage than it did. I know Brock was right about frustration being more effective since banette was working with a trainer that it wasn't used to, but then Squirtle should have been looking pretty beat up afterward. Even better, like I said with part one, Jessie should have used cacturne in the second half. I like May's Squirtle, unlike some people, but I really think Jessie should have gotten a win. I've got my hopes up for the Sinnou region, at least a little, but the way Jessie has improved with her contests she should have really gotten in a win.
I loved Drew in this episode, it was great that he came to the rescue for the twerps. I'm also glad that James finally called Ash by name for the first time in this episode, joining May in the group of twerps who've been called by name by all three members of Team Rocket. I'm also glad Harley finally confirmed that it's not against the rules to use others' pokemon in the contests. Glad to know that Jessie using Cacnea, Mime Jr., and Chimecho wasn't against the rules.
Overall, 8/10.
I loved Drew in this episode, it was great that he came to the rescue for the twerps.
I'm also glad that James finally called Ash by name for the first time in this episode, joining May in the group of twerps who've been called by name by all three members of Team Rocket. I'm also glad Harley finally confirmed that it's not against the rules to use others' pokemon in the contests. Glad to know that Jessie using Cacnea, Mime Jr., and Chimecho wasn't against the rules. Overall, 8/10.