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"GRASS" the worst starter and possibly type??

Discussion in 'General Pokémon Discussion' started by WingBlast, Oct 1, 2012.

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  1. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Eldritch Abomination

    Learn to read the freaking posts before replying, by Arceus' sake.

    And my point is still valid: It is better to use a non-Ice Pokémon. A Gliscor and Scrafty/Machamp/etc in a team is more valuable than a Gliscor with a Weavile.
    Unless you like the Pokémon of the type. If that is the case, use it, but have in mind that liking a type != type being good.

    My two favorites types (Dark and Bug) aren't among the bests as well, but you won't see me saying they are just because I like them.
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2012
  2. Hiee

    Hiee Member

    Legendaries will dominate ofc >.> ....
  3. Nacreous

    Nacreous Fire trainer

    I've alywas found Grass starters to be the most interesting...Water type in general are very boring,everyone uses Surf or Waterfall and ingame you automatically teach them those moves because they are helpful but it makes them boring.Fire starters...I'm sick of the Fighting secondary type...Fire types in general are more diversified but still,Grass wins...not every Grass pkmn uses Leaf Storm,not every Grass pkmn uses Giga Drain...you have Bullet Seed users,Wood Hammer users,Leaf Blade users...it's different,plus the combinations it's what makes them exciting.Overall,Grass starters are the least boring.
  4. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    What that have to do with anything?
    articuno is an ice type legendary 4* stealth rock horrible,move pool and horrible defensive stats and type this is what's make it NU.
    most grass legendary types are good being UU/OU ther type is really good..

    I really don't get how this thread got 27 pages I probably ended the disscussin grass is a more defensive (or stallish) typing and ice is a pure offensive typing. and there are some exceptions like venusaur and cryoonal (the only good pure ice type)
  5. Blood Red Absol

    Blood Red Absol AquaMilotic's Waifu

    Hehe, 2 of my favorite types as well along with grass, I will admit they are not the best overall but that would never stop me from using them :3
  6. BJPalmer85

    BJPalmer85 Well-Known Member

    OT but you wouldnt classify glaceon as being a good pure ice type?

    I use grass types on every team i build, i love them

  7. Dragalge

    Dragalge Leaked footage

    ^Problem with Glaceon is despite its Kyurem-esque sp attack, it's very slow and has a limited movepool (sorta). Cryoganol can launch decent Ice Beams while being defensive at the same time as well.
  8. -Nator-

    -Nator- Psyperiority

    Grass is very important for one major reason:
    Water/Ground types.
    Imagine how hard it would be to take out a bulky Quagsire with Unaware (with Recover in its move set) without Grass! Trust me, not fun unless you happen to land consecutive crits.
  9. Mitja

    Mitja Veteran smartass

    No need for a Grass Pokemon though, and thats the issue I see. Just put an EnergyBall/GrassKnot/HiddenPower on some sweeper, due to the 4x mod, theyll probably do the job without STAB anyway.
  10. -Nator-

    -Nator- Psyperiority

    Yeah, but without the Grass type in general, we wouldn't have Grass moves, so we better be thankful for them.
  11. Chapter

    Chapter hello, im back sorta

    weak to poison due to pesticides. ya kno, like, agriculturally.
    anyway, grass shouldn't be weak to steel, because that is kinda too general. also, fire should be weak to flying water rock, not ground water rock. the gusts would put it out, but an earthquake wouldn't affect a fire, the rocks in the earthquake would affect the fire. finally, water having only two weaknesses is ridiculous, because thts too small for a starter. it should be hurt by poison. like oil spills and stuff. it contaminates water itself, and KILLS the animals and fish living in the water. like, how did nintendo not realize that one. LOL. but yea, its unfair tht grass has 5 weaknesses. Altho, im more of a fire guy.

    WHAT?!? yEA OK THAT MAKES SENSE. 1 OF 3 STARTERS ARE GOOD. aright, first off, grass is amazing, considering it beats water types! lets see if ur Swapmert or Blastoise will withstans a solarbeam from venasaur, or a frenzy whip from sceptile. next, fire types kick ***! what, charizard isnt awesome enough? blaziken doesnt cut it? then what does? ok lets get real. all the types are equal (except for bug. we all hate u bug types! :)LOL) anyway, fire grass and water are equal. i think there should even be the move boil, cuz fire can vaporize water, so in reality, there equal. in quantity, and quality. but, since u said water is the strongest, let me play devil's advocate and say tht water is the worst. LOL
    Last edited: Nov 13, 2012
  12. Mitja

    Mitja Veteran smartass

    its easier to put out a fire with mud and sand, than rocks...
  13. Wishing Star

    Wishing Star Astral Charm Owner

    You don't elaborate on it in your post. But that is analogous to trying to analyze whether or not a phone is bad just by focusing on the bad and not focusing on the good. Just as how full analysis can't be done unless you analyze the good stuff about the phone, you can't fully analyze how good a type is unless you analyze the offensive side of the spectrum, too.

    The fact that Ice-type moves are great and that Ice-type Pokémon generally suck relate in that they both affect how good the Ice type is to the average person.

    I ignore items in these examples because they are not intrinsic to types at all. But let me continue:
    - How exactly is Starmie so effective with its coverage and stats?
    - How is Haxorus's 147 base Attack good? Kyurem-B's base Attack is 170, yet that doesn't make it automatically go to and stay in ubers.
    - How exactly is Gengar so effective with its coverage and stats?
  14. excadrill798

    excadrill798 Member

    Grass is fine I like in fourth gen how Torterra is a dual type that you can use earthquake to take out poison and fire users. It also renders electric moves useless even though it was already 1/2 effective thats just one more thing you don't have to worry about. The only thing you have to really worry about is ice types they can really hit you hard!! You can also take out steel types with earthquake. So basicaly all you have to worry about are flying and bug and most importantly ICE.
  15. Ilan

    Ilan Well-Known Member

    So grass is weak to steel? since when?
    Please stop talking about weaknesses I see that you don't even talk about resistances and water is a great type only 2 weaknesses (although common ones) and a great STAB.
  16. BJPalmer85

    BJPalmer85 Well-Known Member

    i think that debate could go around in circles depending on how you plan to use your ice type. Sure Cryoganol can withstand some fire type attacks but a solid rock/fight/steel type attack is going to crush it. Same with Glaceon, it can take some physical attack but a decent flamethrower would put it down.

  17. Nyarlathotep

    Nyarlathotep Eldritch Abomination

    Without the Grass-Type, Water/Ground Pokémon would obviously have another weakness or at least somewhat bad stats (like Sableye and Spiritomb)
    That or the metagame would be even more broke than it already is.

    Really? Nice to see another Bug-Type appreciator.
  18. AeroKorogu

    AeroKorogu Well-Known Member

    Examples like sceptile who can learn a shitload of moves like iron tail, dragon claw, dig(i think) and more...
    A lot of grass types have the biggest movepools out there that aren't all one or two types, yet some people are too blind to see that.
  19. BJPalmer85

    BJPalmer85 Well-Known Member


    some of them have high stats that make those moves effective. One of my favorite grass types is Breloom. Sure it has a 4x weakness to flying but it can also learn thunder punch plus add in its poison heal ability and not only do you take away a weakness but you reverse it.

  20. Blood Red Absol

    Blood Red Absol AquaMilotic's Waifu

    Sceptile is a beast, also Meganium gets alot of undeserved hate. That thing is a Defensive Wall! and it can learn the walls + leach seed.
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