So apparently after doing some research the only arguable counters this thing has are
Chansey
Porygon2
And Alomomola
Problem with this is Chansey is the only mon here considered viable in OU, Alomomola works on stall and its only really niche is dealing with Greninja.
Yeah....
So apparently after doing some research the only arguable counters this thing has are
Chansey
Porygon2
And Alomomola
Problem with this is Chansey is the only mon here considered viable in OU, Alomomola works on stall and its only really niche is dealing with Greninja.
Yeah....
I think a Greninja ban would be premature at best. While it did get a few new toys to play with, it still has a few big problems: it is extremely frail, and doesn't actually have such a great special attack stat (so, while it may neutral hit almost everything, it's neutral STAB moves aren't as good as, say, an Alakazam's neutral STAB, for example.). ORAS also introduced several new mega evolutions which can try and counter it. Eg. Lopunny mega outspeeds it and can likely OHKO. So does beedrill mega. Then comes the priority stuff from the likes of Mega Pinsir and Scizor. And then you get into a multitude of scarf users, who can destroy it quite easily. Honestly, there is so much stuff that is already on most peoples teams to counter it that there really isn't any reason to think that it is broken. The only time when having counters doesn't prevent you from being broken is when the counters are either 1) Obscure and not otherwise viable or 2) Few and far between, neither of which is the case.
Porygon2 doesn't want to come in on Knock Off, no Eviolite users can.
To me, the only viable answers to Greninja are still Chansey, Tentacruel (w/o Extrasensory), Alomomola (w/o Grass attack) and RestTalk Mega Gyarados. P2 is a shaky, unconvincing check, while Empoleon is destroyed by Low Kick which is rising in popularity atm.
While I agree that it's not quite so easy to name something as a counter to Greninja, I'm still not 100% convinced Greninja needs to go. I definitely see why people want it gone though, it has so many options and Gunk Shot alone makes its would-be Fairy counters obsolete. Honestly, it might just be my overall view of OU at the moment but I'm personally indifferent towards whatever happens to it. Ban or no ban, I can't say I'd really care either way.
Yeah, I think if Greninja goes to ubers, the biggest impact will be on casual competitive/low ladder players whom rely on Pokémon like Greninja, Talonflame and previously Aegislash (Kalos holy trinity).
I totally disagree.
First of all, it's bulk doesn't mean anything when Gren is outspeeding almost the whole unboosted metagame, and 2HKO them easily on the switch. It's like the same Mega Lucario or Blaziken argument months ago, yet they were banned (for other reasons, but still their bulk is piss poor just like Greninja's).
Yeah, there are several new threats that outspeed Greninja and serve as soft checks (i.e. Mega-Sceptile, Mega-Lopunny, Mega-Beedrill, etc as well as previous megas like Alakazam & Manectric) But 1), they take a turn to outspeed due to Mega evolution speed mechanics, and 2), you can only ever face 1 of those in a team so, with good teambuilding it shouldn't be a problem at all. Scarfed threats are more of a challenge, however. But with a bit of predicition and skill you should be able to know who's scarfed and play around it.
Honestly Greninja is the best Pokémon in the tier right now, it is an extremely "low risk, high reward" Pokémon, it doesn't even take your mega slot. Simply a nightmare to Hyper Offense & Balance teams, and makes you look for unoptimal team members to deal with it like Porygon2 or Empoleon, both of which doesn't really fit on HO. Btw, regarding a previous post, Rotom-Wash is 2HKO'd by Dark Pulse/Gunk Shot anyway so there goes your "counter".
It also takes several turns to guess what moves Greninja is running, since it can effectively lure Pokémon like Ferro & Scizor and destroy them with HP Fire, same with Tentacruel/Conk and Extrasensory, etc. To me, the only viable answers to Greninja are still Chansey, Tentacruel (w/o Extrasensory), Alomomola (w/o Grass attack) and RestTalk Mega Gyarados. P2 is a shaky, unconvincing check, while Empoleon is destroyed by Low Kick which is rising in popularity atm.
Also I'm suprised PO already banned Greninja, I don't expect the same scenario on Smogon honestly, while i'm pro-ban i'm sure it will stay in OU.
Yeah, I think if Greninja goes to ubers, the biggest impact will be on casual competitive/low ladder players whom rely on Pokémon like Greninja, Talonflame and previously Aegislash (Kalos holy trinity).
I believe a strong Grass type like Grovyle or something would be a good Greninja check. For example, the Greninja's moves like Water Gun wouldn't effect a Grass type. Even better, it could use a grass attack and do super effective damage. Combined with Greninja's subpar defenses, a grass pokémon would be an effective counter.
So is the Greninja, and Greninja outspeeds Grovyle.Nice try, but Grovyle will outspeed Greninja because my Grovyle is level 100
So is the Greninja, and Greninja outspeeds Grovyle.
I always found things with above 123 speed can check Greninja. However, I haven't found a real counter, yet.
Tentacruel
Porygon2
Rotom-W
All come to mind. There's counters just not super standard things.
Greninja also doesn't really have a good answer to Gyarados other than to just hit it with a neutral move. Tentacruel, however, isn't a counter, as Greninja has a good chance of carrying extrasensory. Nor is porygon, as it takes too much damage from low sweep, unless it runs a physically defensive set, which would work.
Greninja also doesn't really have a good answer to Gyarados other than to just hit it with a neutral move. Tentacruel, however, isn't a counter, as Greninja has a good chance of carrying extrasensory. Nor is porygon, as it takes too much damage from low sweep, unless it runs a physically defensive set, which would work.