Does it violate planning laws as a building? No.
What right then do you have, to say because of your very particular interpretation of what its building actually means (ie your assertion that it's a slap in the face to the city and that they are knowingly doing so), that they can't build it there?
Also, kindly do not call me ignorant because my view of the situation does not match yours.[
Well for one I will call you ignorant if you say ignorant things. And to twist your words around what moral right do they have to erect a Islamic Mosque so close to Islam's greatest attack on America? What right do I have to call them out on their horrible building, I believe its called Freedom of Speech?
I fail to see the connection because this was a hideous crime committed by people acting outside the very conventions of the religion they claim to follow.
I'd have the exact same view if a 'Christian' terrorist organisation committed a suicide attack then a mainstream Christian group wanted to put up a Church near that site on land they owned.
And I would tell you that it would be wrong for the Christian group to do that, as it would be insulting to the people that died there, and hurtful to the people of that city as well as the families that died.
What you are saying is that it is inapproriate for them to teach their religion on their own land because of where it happens to be located, that is (in my book) a restriction of their religious freedom.
Never said they did not have the right to do it, it is inappropriate and morally wrong, but that isn't a restriction on their religious freedom it is a view point, learn the difference.
In pursuit of an external Ji'had followers may not kill civilians. Muslims may not commit suicide.
These are absolute laws for the religion, there's nothing in there that contradicts that - that's why these groups create such inventive interpretations that they say allow them to do so.
The contradictions would be what Mohammad had done during his War Time massacres in which included killing civilians and becoming martyred. Which goes to the Bipolar aspect of the Qu'ran, as they say one thing and then do another when it is convenient.
The old testament is still there and still taught to Christians. If it's so out of line with what they believe then why has it not been removed?
Not really, you can go to any Church of Christ and it will be based on New Testiment teachings, stories may be taught from the Old Testament like Gensus and Noah, but overall the teachings of Christianity are Christian not Old Testament. Because the Qu'ran does not have two different books that differentiate Mohammad the man of peace, and Mohammad the Warlord, it is different from Christianity.
You claim that the Qur'an is bipolar and provides justification for these sorts of things, I'm pointing out that it is not that different from the holy books of other religions.
Difference is that it is immaterial to the debate as it is a Islamic Mosque, not a Christian Church being put up next to a Islamic attack site.
As for Sept 11, I maintain as I have since day 1 it was not an Islamic attack. It was an atrocity committed by people who claimed they acted in accordance with Islamic teachings - something that has been contradicted by the mainstream Islam community world wide.
Yeah you can believe that, but they were acting in accordance of some of the more radical and dangerous of Islamic teachings.
No. This doesn't tear down my argument at all, all you're doing is quoting these things through the interpretation they actually mean something else.
Interpretation is up for each person, the problem is that they are open for interpretation, and that makes it insulting for them to be taught near Ground Zero.
There is a difference between charging into battle against large odds and committing suicide - which is what suicide bombers do. In a battle, even against a much bigger force, you actually have a chance to survive.
You have very little to no chance of surviving. By that logic you can survive a plane crash into a building because of the very minuscule chance you could survive.
To say those rallying cries from Mohammed to give his men courage for those tough battles actually said "go ahead, kill yourselves" is a skewed interpretation. Every bit as much as it is to say the speeches officers gave in WW1 before sending their men over the top was advocating the men kill themselves.
They essentially were saying it, they knew that the vast majority of their men would be cut down by machine gun fire, and that a few of them would maybe survive to make it to the machine gun nest.
The Qur'an forbids the killing of non-combatants/civilians/women and children and willing acts of suicide - nothing you quoted changes that.
Except Non Combatants were killed in Mohammad's quest and they were not committing suicide by Martyrdom. Again you have the Bipolar aspects of the Qu'ran.
The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared,
'Kill any Jew who falls under your power.
"I went into a cave with my bow and arrows. While I was in it, a one-eyed man from the Banu Bakr came in driving some sheep. He said, 'Who's there?' I said, 'I'm a Banu Bakr.' 'So am I.' Then he laid down next to me, and raised his voice in song: 'I will not believe in the faith of the Muslims.' I said, 'You will soon see!' Before long the Bedouin went to sleep and started snoring. So I killed him in the most dreadful way that anybody has ever killed. I leant over him, struck the end of my bow into his good eye, and thrust it down until it came out the back of his neck. After that I rushed out like a wild beast and took flight. I came to the village of Naqi and recognized two Meccan spies. I called for them to surrender. They said no so I shot and arrow and killed one, and then I tied the other up and took him to Muhammad."
"I had tied my prisoner's thumbs together with my bowstring. The Messenger of Allah looked at him and laughed so that his back teeth could be seen. Then he questioned me and I told him what had happened. 'Well done!' he said, and prayed for me to be blessed."
"Hassan was with the women and children. A Jew passed by and began to walk around his settlement. There was no one to protect them while the Apostle and his Companions were at the Meccans' throats. So I said: 'Hassan, this Jewis walking around. I fear he will point out our weakness while the Muslims are too busy to attend to us. So go down to him and kill him."
"The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims."
"The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
