I still feel kinda sad that Dialga didn't revive Grovyle as well as the main character. I'm sure Grovyle would've loved it.
It was probably becuase Dialga didn't know of Grovyle.. But I totally agree with you.
Yeah, Grovyle was a VERY well-done character. The ending, where he disappears and says farewell to your character, was the only actually-sad moment I can remember in a Pokemon game. And it worked really well, I actually kind of missed him in the later parts of the game.
I agree with this, though I found PMD(the originals)'s 'ending' when you start to fade away very sad too. But Grovyle's goodbye is sadder because you know he's not going to come back.
We do get to see that by the end of the main storyline, but if any character is weird, it would be Dusknoir. Anyone else notice how he talks when he starts noticing that it's possible for him to lose? That thing FLIPPED OUT all kinds of hard on you and your partner.
I noticed that! I don't think he was weird at all, and what you commented on helped me to see further into his character. I found it very interesting how originally he completely ignores you and your partner's pleas to him when ordering the Sableye to attack. You could see he wasn't 'just another baddie'. He was totally determined and confident to kill you. Later though, he does start to talk back. I wouldn't say its when he thinks he could lose.. It seems more like its when your fate is.. 'less' in his hands. Like first when Primal Dialga appears before you, and later when you put up a fight against him.
Grovyle.... where do I start? Out of every Pokemon game I've ever played, this game had the best and deepest plot of any of them. Grovyle was a VERY well made character and accurately fit the bill as both "evil" and savior.
Totally agree.
I was sad when Dialga did not bring Grovyle back from the future, but that adds to his character. His intro was amazing as well as his exit, and bringing him back would've ruined that.
Yes, I have to agree with this too. While Iw ouln't quite say "ruined".. It would definitely have toned down his great exit.
The way his character was portrayed and developed in-game was really well done.
Agreed.
I think she do loved Grovyle. (and I envy her. TvT)
Hehe
And thats a really nice picture! Did you draw it? It would definitely be a nice addition to PMD2's ending! Haha, what Dusknoir supposed to be doing?
I totally love Grovyle! I cried a little at that part of the game where he sacrifised himself. And its really sad how Dialga didnt bring back Grovyle and Celibei at the end of the game. Its a shame they never got a chance to live in the world that they helped save. Oh so sad!! Grovyle why did you have to die!?!!? *screams at the sky*
*Agrees with all of this. Even the crying bit.*
And the music you refer to (My favorite music in all of Pokemon games) also plays a third time when you resolve to fight Darkrai even though you know it's a trap.
Ahh thats your favourite Pokémon music? I wouldn't say it was my favourite, but definitely one of my favourites. Its definitely my fav out of PMD2's musics though. It really is a wonderful piece of music...
Ah, I didn't know of the third time, thanks! I haven't gotten that far yet, but I'll be looking forwards to that part now! =D
As for Dusknoir, he wasn't evil. He was just...selfish. He became an agent of Primal Dialga for the same reason Primal dialga wanted an agent - self-survival. Whereas Grovyle and Celebi saw that you got to make sacrifices to for the greater good, Dusknoir was too selfish to see that what was lost to him was insignificant compared to saving an entire world from a fate worse than death.
Hmm, Dusknoir was definitely selfish, but he knew what he was doing, and was doing bad things, to the point of trying to murder, so I would say he was evil... But you do put forward interesting and valid points.
And yes, Darkrai was definitely evil.
I forgot to mention this in my original post here, but near the end of Grovyle's goodbye scene, after he's finished talking to you and your partner and the mood is so low, Dusknoir demands to be released, and Grovyle tells him to be quiet. The mood is so low because of the sad event, but despite that, that bit made me chuckle. That was nice
Its nice to see other people who appreciate Grovyle's excellent character.